KH3D The Unknown's connection(s) to Riku

[DawningEclipse 38]

I agree Especially since they both look like Terra-Xehanort

 

Yeah I know lol

[esumsoraroxas 48]

 

 

Yeah I know lol

 

Yep And the Unknown keeps referring to darkness when speaking to Riku and taunting Sora

[DawningEclipse 38]

Yep And the Unknown keeps referring to darkness when speaking to Riku and taunting Sora

 

Well it Riku it's about his darkness, while with Sora it's about how he has other hearts inside of him

[esumsoraroxas 48]

 

 

Well it Riku it's about his darkness, while with Sora it's about how he has other hearts inside of him

 

If the Unknown talks about other Hearts inside Sora, does the Unknown know of Ventus?

[DawningEclipse 38]

If the Unknown talks about other Hearts inside Sora, does the Unknown know of Ventus?

 

That's very likely or else the MF or Unknown wouldnt be able to make such a comment. I mean in the KH universe Sora having more then one heart stopped being such a mystery after 358/2 Days

[esumsoraroxas 48]

 

 

That's very likely or else the MF or Unknown wouldnt be able to make such a comment. I mean in the KH universe Sora having more then one heart stopped being such a mystery after 358/2 Days

 

I agree I think the MF is in the game to impede Sora and Riku's exams while also provoking thoughts in their minds as well Any thoughts?

[DawningEclipse 38]

I agree I think the MF is in the game to impede Sora and Riku's exams while also provoking thoughts in their minds as well Any thoughts?

 

Well let's see considering Xehanorts personality and overall way of thinking, It's obvious he is trying to get Sora and Riku to join the dark side with him, and it's funny cause in Xehanorts mind nothing he does is evil. He will probably try to create another X-Blade and since Riku doesnt seem to be cooperating I think he will use Sora to fight Riku and redo the same plan he did in BBS minus the body snatching maybe

[esumsoraroxas 48]

 

 

Well let's see considering Xehanorts personality and overall way of thinking, It's obvious he is trying to get Sora and Riku to join the dark side with him, and it's funny cause in Xehanorts mind nothing he does is evil. He will probably try to create another X-Blade and since Riku doesnt seem to be cooperating I think he will use Sora to fight Riku and redo the same plan he did in BBS minus the body snatching maybe

 

I think the plot will deal with "Light [falling] into Darkness"

[DawningEclipse 38]

I think the plot will deal with "Light [falling] into Darkness"

 

Yeah I theorize that Sora will turn evil and join the new Organization 13 and Riku will finally get over his fear of darkness and step into light

[esumsoraroxas 48]

 

 

Yeah I theorize that Sora will turn evil and join the new Organization 13 and Riku will finally get over his fear of darkness and step into light

 

Perhaps Sora won't willingly go, but, maybe under a memory control

[DawningEclipse 38]

Perhaps Sora won't willingly go, but, maybe under a memory control

 

That's what I think too. Unknown did say something about Sora losing his memory and stuff, so it's seems to be there going to use a similar trick like the one used on him in COM

[esumsoraroxas 48]

 

 

That's what I think too. Unknown did say something about Sora losing his memory and stuff, so it's seems to be there going to use a similar trick like the one used on him in COM

 

Naminè did the memory control in CoM, but, she probably won't do it again

[DawningEclipse 38]

Naminè did the memory control in CoM, but, she probably won't do it again

 

There is a possiblity that someone or maybe the Unknow will have her abilities given the fact that he seems to have most Org members powers

[esumsoraroxas 48]

 

 

There is a possiblity that someone or maybe the Unknow will have her abilities given the fact that he seems to have most Org members powers

 

That's a good point The Unknown is a likely candidate

[DawningEclipse 38]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tc-Mpbsf5Y

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VD_vQFHm2Ho

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkfqVA5dOwU

 

look at these and other vids and compare them to unknown moves

Edited March 20, 2012 by DawningEclipse

[esumsoraroxas 48]

http-~~-//www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tc-Mpbsf5Y

 

http-~~-//www.youtube.com/watch?v=VD_vQFHm2Ho

 

http-~~-//www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkfqVA5dOwU

 

Thank you so much for these

[DawningEclipse 38]

Thank you so much for these

 

http-~~-//www.youtube.com/watch?v=qThA9ycAm0s

 

http-~~-//www.youtube.com/watch?v=spmiYf36C8U

 

 

I ment to put up the unknown fight first, but I couldnt just compare some of his moves to other members moves

Edited March 20, 2012 by DawningEclipse

[keystrike 145]

To say the unknown has most of the organizations powers is like saying Sora has most of the organizations powers, or the TAV trio for that matter. The armored xemnas fight in kh2, now he has the powers of org xiii. With the exception of melee attacks and maybe one other every single move he does TAV can do also or at least a more advanced version of it. There is marluxias equivalent of card scatter and the laser one.

[DawningEclipse 38]

To say the unknown has most of the organizations powers is like saying Sora has most of the organizations powers, or the TAV trio for that matter. The armored xemnas fight in kh2, now he has the powers of org xiii. With the exception of melee attacks and maybe one other every single move he does TAV can do also or at least a more advanced version of it. There is marluxias equivalent of card scatter and the laser one.

 

There is video proof showing you how he has most of the Organization 13 members abilities, plus since amour Xemnas also demonstrates then too, that just backs up my theory that the Unknown has special powers and is a form of Xehanort if not the real onw

[keystrike 145]

There is video proof showing you how he has most of the Organization 13 members abilities, plus since amour Xemnas also demonstrates then too, that just backs up my theory that the Unknown has special powers and is a form of Xehanort if not the real onw

 

I'm fine with getting into an argument as long as you hold up your end of the conversation.

 

KH358/2 Days confirms what each members ability is.

I: Nothing; He phases through matter and uses something similar to etheral blades

II: Space: The laser attack

III: Wind; Tornado

IV: Ice; He never uses ice

V: Earth; He never uses earth

VI: Illusion; an argument could be made about having duplicates, but this is vague at best

VII: Moon: He never uses the moon

VIII: Fire: He uses the exact same fire attack as TAV (raging rush(?)). Axel never used this attack.

IX: Water: He never uses water

X: Time: By your argument time should be just another ability, which it simply isn't

XI: Flower: He never uses flower but he does use doom like Marluxia in the final battle as well as card scatter. Terra can iflict doom by his own means as well however.

XII: Lightning: He never uses lightning but he does copy himself but a number of other members do this as well

XIII/XIV: Light: He never uses light.

 

I challenge you to refute or accept each of these along with my following argument.

 

The unknown's attacks consist nerely entirely of attacks gained throughout the game of bbs with a predominate theme of time. Here is the deck if allowed all the commands from bbs: (apologies in advanced for butchering the names)

Tornado

Raging Storm

Magnet grab (the one that always kills you)

Invisible

Sonic blade (or its shoot lock relatives)

Healing block

(There is another one where you may joust your keyblade at the enemy and then spin upwards)

Slow

Meteor

Megaflare

Chaos blade (which inflicts doom)

 

In addition to there are the unnamed, nearly unused:

x-attack

Clones

lasers

... and probably one or two that I missed

 

Specific attacks+a couple general abilities>general (and flawed) elemental theme+a couple general abilities

OR Specific attacks>general elemental theme

Also, explain how Armour Xemnas using the abilities (for real) backs up your theory. What it does do is demonstrate what it truly means to copy the powers of the organization, and seeing how the mysterious figure doesn't apply those sort of techniques at all, it should be anything but evidence for your side. You are saying things without explaining them (and quite frankly thinking rationally). The question "how?" always helps me. Furthermore, a relation like this doesn't prove anything about him being the real Xehanort. Could the real Xehanort have absorbed Armour Xemnas' powers getting the powers of org xiii? Yes. But this is simply a possibility being pointed out and if you recognize that some other form of Xehanort could also through any one contrived scenario gained control over org xiii powers, stating such a possibility does nothing for your theory.

 

One last thing: I'm open to hearing others theories and get into arguments (blogging of all things should result in the best arguments anyways with time to respond, which it seemed you rushed because you wrote onw instead of one). If you really believe this and think I am some idiot or not then why don't we both try to get to the truth?

[DawningEclipse 38]

I'm fine with getting into an argument as long as you hold up your end of the conversation.

 

KH358/2 Days confirms what each members ability is.

I: Nothing; He phases through matter and uses something similar to etheral blades

II: Space: The laser attack

III: Wind; Tornado

IV: Ice; He never uses ice

V: Earth; He never uses earth

VI: Illusion; an argument could be made about having duplicates, but this is vague at best

VII: Moon: He never uses the moon

VIII: Fire: He uses the exact same fire attack as TAV (raging rush(?)). Axel never used this attack.

IX: Water: He never uses water

X: Time: By your argument time should be just another ability, which it simply isn't

XI: Flower: He never uses flower but he does use doom like Marluxia in the final battle as well as card scatter. Terra can iflict doom by his own means as well however.

XII: Lightning: He never uses lightning but he does copy himself but a number of other members do this as well

XIII/XIV: Light: He never uses light.

 

I challenge you to refute or accept each of these along with my following argument.

 

The unknown's attacks consist nerely entirely of attacks gained throughout the game of bbs with a predominate theme of time. Here is the deck if allowed all the commands from bbs: (apologies in advanced for butchering the names)

Tornado

Raging Storm

Magnet grab (the one that always kills you)

Invisible

Sonic blade (or its shoot lock relatives)

Healing block

(There is another one where you may joust your keyblade at the enemy and then spin upwards)

Slow

Meteor

Megaflare

Chaos blade (which inflicts doom)

 

In addition to there are the unnamed, nearly unused:

x-attack

Clones

lasers

... and probably one or two that I missed

 

Specific attacks+a couple general abilities>general (and flawed) elemental theme+a couple general abilities

OR Specific attacks>general elemental theme

Also, explain how Armour Xemnas using the abilities (for real) backs up your theory. What it does do is demonstrate what it truly means to copy the powers of the organization, and seeing how the mysterious figure doesn't apply those sort of techniques at all, it should be anything but evidence for your side. You are saying things without explaining them (and quite frankly thinking rationally). The question "how?" always helps me. Furthermore, a relation like this doesn't prove anything about him being the real Xehanort. Could the real Xehanort have absorbed Armour Xemnas' powers getting the powers of org xiii? Yes. But this is simply a possibility being pointed out and if you recognize that some other form of Xehanort could also through any one contrived scenario gained control over org xiii powers, stating such a possibility does nothing for your theory.

 

One last thing: I'm open to hearing others theories and get into arguments (blogging of all things should result in the best arguments anyways with time to respond, which it seemed you rushed because you wrote onw instead of one). If you really believe this and think I am some idiot or not then why don't we both try to get to the truth?

 

First off 358/2 Days did not show all of there abilities, just some of them play ReCOM and KH2FM or just KH2 to see they're true powers

 

Second off we have no idea as of to what extent of power he has in command like when we first faced Xemnas in KHFM

 

Third off most of the moves you named were not the moves the unknown used but similar or are not in the games

 

Ex

 

1. Raging Storm

 

2. Magnet Grab

 

3. Invisible

 

4. healing Block

 

5. Slow

 

6. Chaos Blade

 

If you do not believe me look it up

 

4. X-attack was used by Marluxia in his second form in ReCOM, the clones are similar to Zexions clone how they will all rush you and you have to defeat all of them before you can hit the original, though it could be said that Unknown just happened to have a similar power and effect as Zexion. Laser when you fight Xemnas the third time.

 

5. Clearly you did not look at the video post i made on here, because if you did you see that he uses moves that past members used, not all of them, but some and possibly moves he got from Terra and or Xehanort. Also if your still gonna gripe about how he has these ablities, it's because he might be a form of Xehanort, which means he would have most of MX's and Terra's powers to begin with since they were his moves in the beginning. Also you stated that Amour Xemnas uses some of the Organization's powers too and if you notice Unknown uses moves that either MX and or any Keyblade wielder has demonstrated before, I was mostly wrong about him having Axel's and Xaldins powers.

[ChildOfTerra_FriendOfRiku 135]

Thanks We'll all find out in ten days, but the theory you found may be right.

 

Well, you will... I'm waiting for the NA release and then playing.

[esumsoraroxas 48]

Well, you will... I'm waiting for the NA release and then playing.

 

Well, since I live in North America, I'm waiting for the NA release as well. This is mainly for the cutscenes, dialogue, and voice actors But, I'm also waiting for the Japanese release because I would like to see what happens to Sora and Ventus.

[ChildOfTerra_FriendOfRiku 135]

Well, since I live in North America, I'm waiting for the NA release as well. This is mainly for the cutscenes, dialogue, and voice actors But, I'm also waiting for the Japanese release because I would like to see what happens to Sora and Ventus.

 

I wanna see it for the first time with the English voice actors. I've been watching the trailers with the subs and I can read it so much faster than it's being said... I'm gonna loose a lot of the emotional stuff if I watch it in Japanese. So I'm forcing myself to be patient.

[esumsoraroxas 48]

I wanna see it for the first time with the English voice actors. I've been watching the trailers with the subs and I can read it so much faster than it's being said... I'm gonna loose a lot of the emotional stuff if I watch it in Japanese. So I'm forcing myself to be patient.

 

Same here I can't wait for the cutscenes in English and the voice actors