HarLea Quinn 26,501 Posted February 26, 2012 That's not what I meant. What I mean is she ran of her own power without the ones punishing her directly "forcing" her to. If she was scared of what her step mom and grandmother could do to her if she chose not to run, but they weren't directly behind her chasing her or hitting her or something like that, then she wasn't truly forced to run (which isn't really possible). Its her mental state when it comes to her step mom and grandmother that made her run. Her neighbors didn't really find anything out of the ordinary about what she was doing. Only one even had a whim that something was wrong(out of the ones interviewed). It is possible they attempted to give her water after her return. Remember, the media isn't given all of the details of these incidents, nor do they print all of the facts that they do have. A person should be able to run for three hours without severe damage to the body. She didn't die on the spot, it was a while after the run she had a seizure and died in the hospital. I do believe the two women in this incident should be charged, but not with murder unless they find effective evidence to suggest that was the intent. Manslaughter and/or neglect are much more realistic charges based on provided information. For crying out loud , She died from being severely dehydrated from running three hours..( Thats what caused her seizure ) So Obviously she wasnt given water . Two, the neighbors did say they thought it was odd ffs.. And if you read the article there was a history of abuse ..Therefore its obvious she ran outta fear bc shes suffered their wrath before Thats prolly why she lied about eating the damn candybar in the first place... And noones saying this was a planned murder..Its manslaughter tho and child abuse and neglect....If you honestly think this girl ran till she died bc she wanted to then you are either incredibly idiotic or Incredibly ignorant bc thats just insane 1 Robbie the Wise reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robbie the Wise 5,050 Posted February 26, 2012 That's not what I meant. What I mean is she ran of her own power without the ones punishing her directly "forcing" her to. If she was scared of what her step mom and grandmother could do to her if she chose not to run, but they weren't directly behind her chasing her or hitting her or something like that, then she wasn't truly forced to run (which isn't really possible). Its her mental state when it comes to her step mom and grandmother that made her run. Her neighbors didn't really find anything out of the ordinary about what she was doing. Only one even had a whim that something was wrong(out of the ones interviewed). It is possible they attempted to give her water after her return. Remember, the media isn't given all of the details of these incidents, nor do they print all of the facts that they do have. A person should be able to run for three hours without severe damage to the body. She didn't die on the spot, it was a while after the run she had a seizure and died in the hospital. I do believe the two women in this incident should be charged, but not with murder unless they find effective evidence to suggest that was the intent. Manslaughter and/or neglect are much more realistic charges based on provided information. I can agree with your point about the murder but a child has lot less endurance then an adult as their bodies are not fully developed. To say that a nine year old who runs for three hours even one hour and suffers no repercussions is a foolish thing to say. Not to mention the fact she did in have a seizure sugests that she did not have an adequate supply of water my brother happens to be prone to have seizers so I happen to know a lot about them. Now if someone is not prone to seizures it takes a lot to induce one one of the causes happens dehydration. Now bare in mind If one is not prone seizures will have to be exposed more to the triggers as opposed to someone who is. With that in mind the fact that if she was given a break and sufficeint hydration as you sugestted she would not have died. 1 HarLea Quinn reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Emo/Yami 37 Posted February 26, 2012 For crying out loud , She died from being severely dehydrated from running three hours..( Thats what caused her seizure ) So Obviously she wasnt given water . Two, the neighbors did say they thought it was odd ffs.. And if you read the article there was a history of abuse ..Therefore its obvious she ran outta fear bc shes suffered their wrath before Thats prolly why she lied about eating the damn candybar in the first place... And noones saying this was a planned murder..Its manslaughter tho and child abuse and neglect.... The adults are being charged with homicide. Homicide= intentional murder. Manslaughter and neglect not equal to homicide. Abuse=neglect/ will have to wait until they actually look into it. And I don't see anything about previous abuse incidents in the article. Show those to me within the article. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robbie the Wise 5,050 Posted February 26, 2012 That's not what I meant. What I mean is she ran of her own power without the ones punishing her directly "forcing" her to. If she was scared of what her step mom and grandmother could do to her if she chose not to run, but they weren't directly behind her chasing her or hitting her or something like that, then she wasn't truly forced to run (which isn't really possible). Its her mental state when it comes to her step mom and grandmother that made her run. Her neighbors didn't really find anything out of the ordinary about what she was doing. Only one even had a whim that something was wrong(out of the ones interviewed). It is possible they attempted to give her water after her return. Remember, the media isn't given all of the details of these incidents, nor do they print all of the facts that they do have. A person should be able to run for three hours without severe damage to the body. She didn't die on the spot, it was a while after the run she had a seizure and died in the hospital. I do believe the two women in this incident should be charged, but not with murder unless they find effective evidence to suggest that was the intent. Manslaughter and/or neglect are much more realistic charges based on provided information. I can agree with your point about the murder but a child has lot less endurance then an adult as their bodies are not fully developed. To say that a nine year old who runs for three hours even one hour and suffers no repercussions is a foolish thing to say. Not to mention the fact she did in have a seizure sugests that she did not have an adequate supply of water my brother happens to be prone to have seizers so I happen to know a lot about them. Now if someone is not prone to seizures it takes a lot to induce one one of the causes happens dehydration. Now bare in mind If one is not prone seizures will have to be exposed more to the triggers as opposed to someone who is. With that in mind the fact that if she was given a break and sufficeint hydration as you sugestted she would not have died. 1 Emo/Yami reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarLea Quinn 26,501 Posted February 26, 2012 The adults are being charged with homicide. Homicide= intentional murder. Manslaughter and neglect not equal to homicide. Abuse=neglect/ will have to wait until they actually look into it. And I don't see anything about previous abuse incidents in the article. Show those to me within the article. Homicide is listed in many forms..Vehicular homicide is homicide when you kill someone even by accident due to negligent behavior for example..the same goes with this..a death caused by negligence that occurred bc of the needless actions of another person..The prior incidents im refering to was actually from the news broadcast of this incident.. I shoulda mentioned that ( my mistake)This has been widely reported.They had interviewed family/friends// = neighbors etc etc.. 1 Robbie the Wise reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Emo/Yami 37 Posted February 26, 2012 I can agree with your point about the murder but a child has lot less endurance then an adult as their bodies are not fully developed. To say that a nine year old who runs for three hours even one hour and suffers no repercussions is a foolish thing to say. Not to mention the fact she did in have a seizure sugests that she did not have an adequate supply of water my brother happens to be prone to have seizers so I happen to know a lot about them. Now if someone is not prone to seizures it takes a lot to induce one one of the causes happens dehydration. Now bare in mind If one is not prone seizures will have to be exposed more to the triggers as opposed to someone who is. With that in mind the fact that if she was given a break and sufficeint hydration as you sugestted she would not have died. I am liking this for simply not letting too much emotion cloud your thinking. All I have to say at the moment is I didn't say no repercussions. Just not severe ones immediately. Dehydration being the trigger for the seizure=likely. Running for three hours an becoming dehydrated= makes since depending on the circumstance. It all comes down to one simple thing; did she ask for water? Its quite possible the step mom or grandmother didn't really think to go outside and give her water, possible thinking the 9-year old would've gotten water from someone in the neighborhood or something. Or would come home and get water. Homicide is listed in many forms..Vehicular homicide is homicide when you kill someone even by accident due to negligent behavior for example..the same goes with this..a death caused by negligence that occurred bc of the needless actions of another person..The prior incidents im refering to was actually from the news broadcast of this incident..This has been widely reported.They had interviewed family/friends// = neighbors etc etc Vehicular homicide or manslaughter convicts are generally given shorter terms than those of other homicides and manslaughter due to the fact it was most likely an accident. And you didn't provide any proof of these incidents. Show me a news broadcast video then and give a time frame where this is said. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarLea Quinn 26,501 Posted February 26, 2012 I am liking this for simply not letting too much emotion cloud your thinking. All I have to say at the moment is I didn't say no repercussions. Just not severe ones immediately. Dehydration being the trigger for the seizure=likely. Running for three hours an becoming dehydrated= makes since depending on the circumstance. It all comes down to one simple thing; did she ask for water? Its quite possible the step mom or grandmother didn't really think to go outside and give her water, possible thinking the 9-year old would've gotten water from someone in the neighborhood or something. Or would come home and get water. Vehicular homicide or manslaughter convicts are generally given shorter terms than those of other homicides and manslaughter due to the fact it was most likely an accident. And you didn't provide any proof of these incidents. Show me a news broadcast video then and give a time frame where this is said. Yes a news broadcast i saw on TV..Im supposed to magically whip a tape of that outta my ass..Quit trying to excuse the fact that this was indeed Child abuse and yes manslaughter..IT WAS CAUSED BY BEING FORCED TO RUN AS PUNISHMENT..What part of that dont you get ? Like i said , please dont procreate if you find this excusable ..Quit making excuses for such vile treatment of a small child. 1 Robbie the Wise reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robbie the Wise 5,050 Posted February 26, 2012 I am liking this for simply not letting too much emotion cloud your thinking. All I have to say at the moment is I didn't say no repercussions. Just not severe ones immediately. Dehydration being the trigger for the seizure=likely. Running for three hours an becoming dehydrated= makes since depending on the circumstance. It all comes down to one simple thing; did she ask for water? Its quite possible the step mom or grandmother didn't really think to go outside and give her water, possible thinking the 9-year old would've gotten water from someone in the neighborhood or something. Or would come home and get water. Vehicular homicide or manslaughter convicts are generally given shorter terms than those of other homicides and manslaughter due to the fact it was most likely an accident. And you didn't provide any proof of these incidents. Show me a news broadcast video then and give a time frame where this is said. That is irrelvant as her guardians they have a legal obligation to ensure her safety at all times while under their jurisdiction.Considering that they placed her in that situation wether there was acess to outside hydration or not they did not themselves do their job. Btw what kind of parent would send their kid out to run for three hours as punishment and assume that they'll have outside access to water(bad parenting) or that someone else would provide them with water(embarrasing parenting). 2 HarLea Quinn and Koko reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarLea Quinn 26,501 Posted February 26, 2012 That is irrelvant as her guardians they have a legal obligation to ensure her safety at all times while under their jurisdiction.Considering that they placed her in that situation wether there was acess to outside hydration or not they did not themselves do their job. Btw what kind of parent would send their kid out to run for three hours as punishment and assume that they'll have outside access to water(bad parenting) or that someone else would provide them with water(embarrasing parenting). This is obviously way above his level of intelligence to comprehend. Its also ludicris that he thinks that the guardians would expect others in the neighborhood to give her sustenance. 2 Koko and Robbie the Wise reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Koko 3,944 Posted February 27, 2012 If you are seriously saying this was not child abuse then I really question your intelligence. Would you say a kid getting beaten by their parents isn't child abuse? Because your way of thinking is 'WELL NO ONE FORCED HER' and I would assume you think that beaten kids weren't forced to take the beating, they could've totally ran away right? Ha. She may have not been physically forced to run but she was indeed verbally and any reasonable parent would know a child would need water, she shouldn't have had to ask for it. Children do not have extensive knowledge on what their bodies need and parents should be teaching and supply them with what they need. This is child abuse and that's that 4 Robbie the Wise, Keyblader, P50L and 1 other reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Keyblader 325 Posted February 28, 2012 Messed up, that's all I can say about this. I honestly believe that they deserve Hell for this (There's a lot of things everyone does that is worthy of Hell), but what I believe in reminds me that they can be forgiven, as cruel as the situation may be. Since she ate candy, they probably made her run so she wouldn't get fat. Sorry but I don't think this is the right thread to try to be funny. 1 Koko reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lizzie1238 538 Posted February 28, 2012 Messed up, that's all I can say about this. I honestly believe that they deserve Hell for this (There's a lot of things everyone does that is worthy of Hell), but what I believe in reminds me that they can be forgiven, as cruel as the situation may be. Sorry but I don't think this is the right thread to try to be funny. I'm sorry, but when I posted I didn't click on the link to the news and didn't realize she had actually died. I thought when it said "can kill you" the creator of the thread was just exaggerating. Now I truly realize how horrible this is and I feel very sorry about what happened. 1 Keyblader reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Emo/Yami 37 Posted February 28, 2012 I could never stay that this isn't child abuse, but I could say it could be taken as though it is not. Being the devil's advocate was fun, and when I chose a serious topic, I wanted to see what others would sy ti ciubter. My apologies for my obvious idiocy and any lack of respect I may have shown or offense. This is obviously way above his level of intelligence to comprehend. Its also ludicris that he thinks that the guardians would expect others in the neighborhood to give her sustenance. I refrain from insults but thanks for providing me with wonderful insult into the human mind. All of you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarLea Quinn 26,501 Posted February 28, 2012 I could never stay that this isn't child abuse, but I could say it could be taken as though it is not. Being the devil's advocate was fun, and when I chose a serious topic, I wanted to see what others would sy ti ciubter. My apologies for my obvious idiocy and any lack of respect I may have shown or offense. I refrain from insults but thanks for providing me with wonderful insult into the human mind. All of you. This entire post was bad,,and you should feel bad,,,Meh...fail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Emo/Yami 37 Posted February 28, 2012 This entire post was bad,,and you should feel bad,,,Meh...fail I know, so many pathetic typos and hollowness, but oh well. All I can do is say sorry. Well, type sorry, you can't hear me. 1 Keyblader reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Keyblader 325 Posted February 28, 2012 I'm sorry, but when I posted I didn't click on the link to the news and didn't realize she had actually died. I thought when it said "can kill you" the creator of the thread was just exaggerating. Now I truly realize how horrible this is and I feel very sorry about what happened. No worries, simple misunderstanding. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robbie the Wise 5,050 Posted February 28, 2012 If you are seriously saying this was not child abuse then I really question your intelligence. Would you say a kid getting beaten by their parents isn't child abuse? Because your way of thinking is 'WELL NO ONE FORCED HER' and I would assume you think that beaten kids weren't forced to take the beating, they could've totally ran away right? Ha. She may have not been physically forced to run but she was indeed verbally and any reasonable parent would know a child would need water, she shouldn't have had to ask for it. Children do not have extensive knowledge on what their bodies need and parents should be teaching and supply them with what they need. This is child abuse and that's that This is why koko is awesome. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
XIIISwords 1,059 Posted February 28, 2012 "The more I know people, the better I like my dog." -Mark Twain. I'm using that tomorrow! 1 Aqua7KH reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites