KH3D Roxas' fate speculation

[minerest 7]

I've heard some theories that when Ventus returns, he'll retain Roxas' memories, which is how Lea and Roxas will essentially unite. Personally I'd wish for Roxas and Ventus to be two separate entities, but I could see this happening. The only thing is, if this is the case, how's he going to hang out with Aqua, Terra, AND Lea? I kind of don't see the four of them together. It's a bit strange to think about. Which is why I think it's better if Roxas and Ventus were separate, because they both have their own circle of trio.

 

Thoughts? Alternate theories?

[BlazingSoul 130]

what is so bad about about lea hanging out with ven, terra, and aqua. lea also has isa for a friend, except we do not know if he is still brainwashed by xehanort, and is part of the new army.

[Keyblade King 12 486]

But it's impossible for Sora, Ventus and Roxas to all exist at the same time, since Roxas is the creation of Ventus' heart and Sora's body. I don't think it would ever happen and then wouldn't it be weird that Lea was sort of using Roxas to be Ventus' replacement. I mean, technically, he made friends with Ven's personality, albeit a slightly darker one than that which is mainly seen in BBS (except towards the end and his time under MX). It just doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

And really, it all depends on who is reborn. For example, throwing Xion into the mix changes it significantly and did you stop to think that Terra and Aqua might want some 'alone time' for themselves.

[DawningEclipse 38]

I doubt he will since if that was the case Sora would of retained Roxas's memories when he returned to him. Also Roxas isn't Ven's nobody in the first place, so no

[TheKHTheorist 17]

I'm not a huge fan of the "Roxas has Ven's heart with Sora's body" interpretation. Don't get me wrong, it makes complete and total sense. It's just not how I interpret Roxas' character. I personaly believe Roxas' emotions resulted from the explanation we were origionaly given by the secret Ansem's reports. Instead of staying in Sora's body when he turned into a heartless, Ven went and acted as a sort of guiding light for Sora so he could find Kairi. Evidence you ask? Simple. Roxas can hate, Ven cannot without Vanitas to draw on, but it's probably my wish for Ven and Roxas to coexist that drives this interpretation though.

[DawningEclipse 38]

I'm not a huge fan of the "Roxas has Ven's heart with Sora's body" interpretation. Don't get me wrong, it makes complete and total sense. It's just not how I interpret Roxas' character. I personaly believe Roxas' emotions resulted from the explanation we were origionaly given by the secret Ansem's reports. Instead of staying in Sora's body when he turned into a heartless, Ven went and acted as a sort of guiding light for Sora so he could find Kairi. Evidence you ask? Simple. Roxas can hate, Ven cannot without Vanitas to draw on, but it's probably my wish for Ven and Roxas to coexist that drives this interpretation though.

 

Well considering that thanks to beating Vanitas in BBs it resulted in fixing his heart. So yeah im sure he can hate someone

[Sibyl 32]

depends on what you think roxas is, purely soras nobody or a mixture of sora and ven? i think roxas has ventus's heart which explains why he ould feel, cry, weild a real keyblade ect. roxas had to go back to sora b/c ven has become a part of sora, like vanitas being a part of ven. logically ven and roxas would be one thing. but this is a video game and against all odds itll probobly end up everyone being themselves again and sora dieing or whatever.

[TheKHTheorist 17]

Well considering that thanks to beating Vanitas in BBs it resulted in fixing his heart. So yeah im sure he can hate someone

 

What? How did defeating Vanitas fix Ven's heart? He had to go into a ten year coma because he rejected Vanitas. Plus, Vanitas sentiment is cannon so he still exists as a seperate entity, and that's probably how we are going to see him as in 3d, separate from Ven and Roxas.

[DawningEclipse 38]

What? How did defeating Vanitas fix Ven's heart? He had to go into a ten year coma because he rejected Vanitas. Plus, Vanitas sentiment is cannon so he still exists as a seperate entity, and that's probably how we are going to see him as in 3d, separate from Ven and Roxas.

 

Have you played BBS? Vanitas is an entity made from Ven's dark side of his heart. The reason for this is because Master Xennohart (sorry if I cant spell it) Wanted to use Ven as a new vessel for his body at first, but when Ven refused to release the dark part of him. Xennohart decided to take matters into his own hands and used his keyblade to unlock Ventus's darkside aka Vanitas. In the process it damaged his heart and made him go into a coma like state. Blah Blah Blah he sent Ven to Destiny Island, Ven entered his own sanctuary and met the new born heart Sora. Sora told Ven he would help him live until he reunited with his lost heart "Vantias" if you fight Vanitas in Ven's sanctuary he will tell you since the X-Blade was made from Ven's heart, if Ven destroyed it he would die. Ven destoryed it and went in a coma like state again there

[DreamEater345 1]

But it's impossible for Sora, Ventus and Roxas to all exist at the same time, since Roxas is the creation of Ventus' heart and Sora's body. I don't think it would ever happen and then wouldn't it be weird that Lea was sort of using Roxas to be Ventus' replacement. I mean, technically, he made friends with Ven's personality, albeit a slightly darker one than that which is mainly seen in BBS (except towards the end and his time under MX). It just doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

And really, it all depends on who is reborn. For example, throwing Xion into the mix changes it significantly and did you stop to think that Terra and Aqua might want some 'alone time' for themselves.

 

isn't it sora's heart and ven's body? because he has sora's memories?!?

[TheKHTheorist 17]

Have you played BBS? Vanitas is an entity made from Ven's dark side of his heart. The reason for this is because Master Xennohart (sorry if I cant spell it) Wanted to use Ven as a new vessel for his body at first, but when Ven refused to release the dark part of him. Xennohart decided to take matters into his own hands and used his keyblade to unlock Ventus's darkside aka Vanitas. In the process it damaged his heart and made him go into a coma like state. Blah Blah Blah he too Ven to Destiny Island, Ven entered his own sanctuary and met the new born heart Sora. So told Ven he would help him live until he reunited with his lost heart "Vantias" if you fight Vanitas in Ven's sanctuary he will tell you since the X-Blade was made from Ven's heart, if Ven destroyed it he would die. Ven destoryed it and went in a coma like state again there

 

Yes, I own BBS, but I think you are missing my point. There is no evidence whatsoever that Vanitas' darkness stayed with Ven after they fought. Vanitas setiment is cannon, and it appears from the trailers for 3d that Vanitas is still a separate entity. Thus, if Vanitas is still a separate person, then Ven could have no darkness and thus cannot hate which Roxas shows many times he can.

[DawningEclipse 38]

Yes, I own BBS, but I think you are missing my point. There is no evidence whatsoever that Vanitas' darkness stayed with Ven after they fought. Vanitas setiment is cannon, and it appears from the trailers for 3d that Vanitas is still a separate entity. Thus, if Vanitas is still a separate person, then Ven could have no darkness and thus cannot hate which Roxas shows many times he can.

 

First off thats not Vantias Sentiment, Vanitas's Sentiment a spirit left by Vanitas's strong will not Vanitas himself. If you need proof look up Ventus's and Vanitas on the KH wiki

[TheKHTheorist 17]

First off thats not Vantias Sentiment, Vanitas's Sentiment a spirit left by Vanitas's strong will not Vanitas himself. If you need proof look up Ventus's and Vanitas on the KH wiki

 

1 Did you read my entire post? I said that Vanitas sentiment couple with the fact that Vanitas appears to be a separate entity in the trailers for 3d make it seem that Ven did not retain any of Vanitas' darkness. I suspect that Vanitas sentiment became Vanitas again with YMX's assistance.

 

2Since when was khwiki a source of 100 percent truth to KH. Anyone can go on there and edit profiles to different characters.

[Keyblade King 12 486]

isn't it sora's heart and ven's body? because he has sora's memories?!?

 

No, that's not it at all. Sora's heart became a heartless in Kingdom Hearts 1. However, despite this he still had some of his memories and his feelings. Kairi then gave his heart a physical form, which is what we see at the end of KH1 and during COM. Sora's body became Roxas, with Ven's heart still inside.

Ven's body is still currently placed in Castle Oblivion and has not yet been moved. When Ven's heart reacted with Sora's now heart-less body, its appearance shifted to resemble how Ven looks.

Memories are kinda confusing but it seems to be they're kept inside the body and mind and not in the heart. It's kinda unclear how Sora still had memories in Castle Oblivion without his body but it's possible it's due to his connection with Ven, Kairi and Roxas. Sora's memories exist inside of Roxas and later Xion. However, Roxas may also be dwelling into Ven's memories of Sora's adventures as well. Either theory is possible or both.

[lizzie1238 538]

I hope that Roxas will be saved. If Ventus gets saved but not Roxas, that would not be fair! I don't even like Ventus, why do they need to save him?!

[DawningEclipse 38]

I hope that Roxas will be saved. If Ventus gets saved but not Roxas, that would not be fair! I don't even like Ventus, why do they need to save him?!

 

Because Ventus is part of the story? Lol

[Number XV 490]

How about this? You're coming up with all these theories, but guess what? Roxas is coming back for one simple reason. Roxas was a VERY popular character, so if Kishi didn't include Roxas, or bring him back, he'd have a lot of hate. So, Kishi will come up with some radical excuse, and Roxas will be back magically. It's how it works. Same with Axel, same with Xion. They're too popular to be killed forever.

[tonytones89 4]

Sorry guys

[KingdomHearts0123 18]

I think Roxas & Ven will most likely become there own person, because in the secret ending of BBS it revealed everyone who Sora has to save & showed Roxes & Ven as separate beings, if Ven came back but Roxas didn't it would have made no sense for him to appear in Blank points. Also I like ven & Roxas & want them to become there own seprarte beings cuz it would be awesome having them as party members in KH3. Im getting excited just thinking about it!!! :D

[DawningEclipse 38]

roxas can be vens nobody..... From an interview with nomura........ Q2: Why did Roxas faint in Castle Oblivion on Day 297?

 

A: Because he had gotten to close to both Sora and Ventus, his “real self”.Before Day 297 in Days Sora had been to Castle Oblivion, as well as the fact that Ventus is asleep somewhere in the Room of Awakening. Both Sora and VENTUS can be called Roxas’ “REAL SELVES”, and when he felt THIER presence it made him faint

 

It has already been proven a fact that Roxas is not Ventus's nobodoy many times

[tonytones89 4]

Sorry guys

[tonytones89 4]

I'm not a huge fan of the "Roxas has Ven's heart with Sora's body" interpretation. Don't get me wrong, it makes complete and total sense. It's just not how I interpret Roxas' character. I personaly believe Roxas' emotions resulted from the explanation we were origionaly given by the secret Ansem's reports. Instead of staying in Sora's body when he turned into a heartless, Ven went and acted as a sort of guiding light for Sora so he could find Kairi. Evidence you ask? Simple. Roxas can hate, Ven cannot without Vanitas to draw on, but it's probably my wish for Ven and Roxas to coexist that drives this interpretation though.

 

not at all I believe your on to something.

[DawningEclipse 38]

ok so now the guy that pretty much makes the game is wrong right??? Wow lol

 

Ummm no I never said he was wrong. He stated that Roxas was Sora's nobody many times.

[tonytones89 4]

Sorry guys

[DawningEclipse 38]

ummmmmm did you read wat I posted that was from an interview with nomura himself lol

 

Umm please re read what you said. Nomura stated that Ventus "can" be called Roxas's real self, but that doesn't mean he is. Nomura did not and I repeat did not ever state Roxas was Ven's nobody, it is a clear as day that Roxas is Sora's nobody that took the form of Ventus instead of Sora because of the quick incident in the first game. Do not put words in Nomura's mouth unless he says that it is true