KH3D *Spoilers* YMX/MF Identity Theory

[BlueRose729 2]

After watching the new trailer and doing some research on the Mysterious Figure, I think that I have come to a theory on this "Young Master Xehanort"'s true identity. Note: This involves information on the Mysterious figure and other things from Birth by Sleep, as well as time travel. Please don't say that I didn't warn you. Also, feel free to give me input on this, as the big reason I'm posting this is to see if other people can spot flaws with it.

 

I'll start off by being blunt. I think it's Ven. A Xehanort-Possessed Ven. Possibly from another timeline, but I won't get into that. How did I come up with this? It started simply with watching a video of Ventus fighting the Mysterious Figure after watching the newest trailer for Dream Drop Distance. At the very least, I do see some connections between Ventus and Mr. Figure over here.

 

My first points will be on the battle with him.

• Mysterious Figure, or "MF", has a low to the ground stance, much like Ventus. Both of them wield their weapons backhanded, a trait that only the two of them, out of all of the original characters, have.
• Some of MF's moves include Meteor, a Terra only move, Raging Storm, an Aqua only move, Tornado, a Ven only move, Vanitas's X-beams, and a few other moves unique to our traveling party. While some might dismiss this as being simply for a challenge, I see something here. These moves are unique to the four characters that use them and definitely don't seem to be widely known. So how would MF know them? Well, any Ventus who lasted to the end of the game might have seen them in use. Surely Ven could have that move and he's friends with Terra and Aqua, he could have seen either of them use them in the final fight... Vanitas's X-beams also count here. Just some food for thought on how a character could know those moves besides pure coincidence.
• My last part is that Nomura has stated that the song used in the fight gives hints as to who this person is. As we've seen in the latest Dream Drop Distance trailers and confirmed by Nomura, this Mysterious Figure looks like a younger Xehanort. Why does this matter? Part of the theme playing is Xemnas's final battle theme. Pretend Terra isn't here. All Xemnas is is a Xehanort Possessed person wielding laser blades. A body possessed whose hair has turned gray, his eyes yellow, and even his hair is changed from the original Terra's due to his body aging. The second part id Rage Awakened from Terra's Lingering Sentiment battle. Now I know what some of you are thinking, "See! Terra! You're wrong!" Hear me out. In the February trailer for 3D, at the end MF blends into a shot of Ven's armor with a Dream Eater symbol in what appears to be a standing position. A "Ventus's Sentiment" as it were, it also bears some resemblance to Vanitas's Remnant, an animated suit of its wearer in a fight, which is essentially what the Lingering Sentiment is. Also, Ven's face is never seen in the trailer, but his armor is. Just a thought. Many people find the last part of the tune odd, as it's Marluxia's battle theme in Re:Chain of Memories, but this one makes the most sense with my theory, as Ventus' comatose body is in Castle Oblivion, where Marluxia is fought.

As far as my theory goes, the question isn't why Xehanort's so young, it's why Ven is so old. Never once did we see Ven's face in any of the trailers, even the most recent one which made a point to show all of the characters needed to be saved. How this is Ven... well... my only explanation involves another timeline as MF has time travel abilities, combined with a theory I have seen on here which brings a connection up with Vanitas as well, who the original poster of that thread pointed out has a gear-motif, which seem to bear a resemblance to clock gears. All of this is merely speculation, but nonetheless I'd like to hear other's takes on this, so please, tell me what you think.

[Shana09 5,769]

This seems quite a nice (and long) theory.

It makes sense, but I still dont know why he would be Mysterious Figure in the first place.

[TheKHTheorist 17]

Hmmm... If this theory holds true, then the bigger question would be when and why Xehanort possesed Ven in said alternate timeline. Ven was supposed to be Xehanort's origional host, so this doesn't sound impossible. If he did end up possesing Ven, why would he create Vanitas? Seeing as Vanitas is in the trailer with him, he would have had to posses him after the split between Ven and Vanitas, but Xehanort might not be too happy about shareing room in his body with a guy that is 100 percent light.

[Greymon57 51]

Or maybe its Isa http://kh13.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/ohmy.png

 

ok your theory makes sense. I doubt it, but who knows, they always keep up guessing.

[Dave 5,715]

I think the main problem here is: how would any form of Xehanort actually come into contact with Ven in order to possess him? The body, last we saw it, was in the Room of Awakening, which apparently only Aqua had access to. It's mentioned in 358 Days and in KH2 Final Mix that Xemnas was unsuccessful at finding Ven's room either, so unless something very drastic happened when no one was looking, I don't think anyone has come into contact with Ven in order to do much of anything to him, never mind possess him. You could make the argument, I suppose, that if time travel is in play here, then Xehanort could have hijacked Ven's body somewhere down the line, but if that were the case, it would kind of screw of the continuum to the extreme, so I can't see that happening either.

 

Also, though I might be wrong about this, I believed that Xehanort was only able to jack Terra's body because of an overwhelming darkness inside him, which Xehanort has sway over; the same holds true with Ansem to Riku. The complete absence of darkness inside of Ven might make such a transfer impossible.

[FFxChainlessSoulxKH 56]

i beleive it could vanitas, in xehanorts form.

[Where's Sora 47]

Or maybe its a MF with red eyes...

[Wolfgang 735]

Or maybe its a MF with red eyes...

 

Lets think here, my friend can assure this or someone else can, but the man with red eyes in the trailer is Vanitas. Apparently in some KH manga Vanitas before becoming his true self was known as a faceless person with red eyes. (I don't know, Elijah come help me there)

 

As for MF i feel the reason he attacks the way he does, the way he holds his weapons is because its his memories,, remember Nobodys have memories of before they lost their heart..

 

I don't know its to late at night and i don't want to think...

 

I think the main problem here is: how would any form of Xehanort actually come into contact with Ven in order to possess him? The body, last we saw it, was in the Room of Awakening, which apparently only Aqua had access to. It's mentioned in 358 Days and in KH2 Final Mix that Xemnas was unsuccessful at finding Ven's room either, so unless something very drastic happened when no one was looking, I don't think anyone has come into contact with Ven in order to do much of anything to him, never mind possess him. You could make the argument, I suppose, that if time travel is in play here, then Xehanort could have hijacked Ven's body somewhere down the line, but if that were the case, it would kind of screw of the continuum to the extreme, so I can't see that happening either.

 

Also, though I might be wrong about this, I believed that Xehanort was only able to jack Terra's body because of an overwhelming darkness inside him, which Xehanort has sway over; the same holds true with Ansem to Riku. The complete absence of darkness inside of Ven might make such a transfer impossible.

 

I like this.. One argument against it is that MF turns towards the castle and disappears.. Maybe he hid in there when Aqua turned it to Castle Oblivion... Who knows.

[BlueRose729 2]

I think the main problem here is: how would any form of Xehanort actually come into contact with Ven in order to possess him? The body, last we saw it, was in the Room of Awakening, which apparently only Aqua had access to. It's mentioned in 358 Days and in KH2 Final Mix that Xemnas was unsuccessful at finding Ven's room either, so unless something very drastic happened when no one was looking, I don't think anyone has come into contact with Ven in order to do much of anything to him, never mind possess him. You could make the argument, I suppose, that if time travel is in play here, then Xehanort could have hijacked Ven's body somewhere down the line, but if that were the case, it would kind of screw of the continuum to the extreme, so I can't see that happening either.

 

Also, though I might be wrong about this, I believed that Xehanort was only able to jack Terra's body because of an overwhelming darkness inside him, which Xehanort has sway over; the same holds true with Ansem to Riku. The complete absence of darkness inside of Ven might make such a transfer impossible.

 

In the current stream of things, then no, my theory wouldn't work. Then they brought time travel abilities into play. Yes, Xehanort could only possess Terra due to his darkness, but what if... Vanitas won? The way Vanitas made it sound, if they had merged, Ven wouldn't die or disappear, but they would be sharing a body. I think that the dark half of his heart would be strong enough for Xehanort to possess, and why would Xehanort pass up the opportunity to wield the X-blade on his own? Especially if the one who currently has it is a little... nuts.

[lizzie1238 538]

Are you saying that YMX/MF is possessed by Ventus?

[keystrike 145]

Lets think here, my friend can assure this or someone else can, but the man with red eyes in the trailer is Vanitas. Apparently in some KH manga Vanitas before becoming his true self was known as a faceless person with red eyes. (I don't know, Elijah come help me there)

 

As for MF i feel the reason he attacks the way he does, the way he holds his weapons is because its his memories,, remember Nobodys have memories of before they lost their heart..

 

I don't know its to late at night and i don't want to think...

 

It was actually the novels that explained that Vanitas only had a blank face and red eyes before Ven connected with Sora. That said it should be noted that as far as how cannon something is, games>novels>manga, so it being said in the novels isn't necessarily proof.

[Dave 5,715]

In the current stream of things, then no, my theory wouldn't work. Then they brought time travel abilities into play. Yes, Xehanort could only possess Terra due to his darkness, but what if... Vanitas won? The way Vanitas made it sound, if they had merged, Ven wouldn't die or disappear, but they would be sharing a body. I think that the dark half of his heart would be strong enough for Xehanort to possess, and why would Xehanort pass up the opportunity to wield the X-blade on his own? Especially if the one who currently has it is a little... nuts.

 

Actually, I think the time travel makes the chance of Ven's body being possessed even more problematic. If there was a point where time-traveling Xehanort went back and possessed Ven in one way or another, resulting in his not being placed in the Chamber of Awakening, then the rest of the story thus far, and it's continuity, falls apart. Xemnas would not have been looking inside Castle Oblivion for Ven's body (and for that matter, Castle Oblivion itself no longer exists, because Aqua didn't have to pull the trigger on it for Ven's safety); Ven's heart doesn't transfer over to Sora, which is going to screw with both Sora and Roxas. A lot relies on the sequence of events that panned out thus far being uninterupted, and in the event that they are disrupted makes everything else run into issues. Basically, if Ven's body is abducted prior to his being put in Castle Oblivion, then the canon we've gotten to by DDD is upset, and that doesn't seem to be the case as per the trailers.

[Xer 670]

I dont think so... that misterious figure in BBS was defenetly for me, Xemnas...

And appear right now.... i would of guess that figure with red eyes is Ansem

[mfampait 49]

you know time travel isn't a one way thing, he can travel forwards too, maybe he went into the future when everyone has been saved and took over ven then

hell maybe thats what all the norts are trying to do in 3d

[Wolfgang 735]

It was actually the novels that explained that Vanitas only had a blank face and red eyes before Ven connected with Sora. That said it should be noted that as far as how cannon something is, games>novels>manga, so it being said in the novels isn't necessarily proof.

 

Thanks i knew it came from somewhere, still you never know.

[flurryflames 7]

An interesting thing is they used MF's body form from Saix's body so I would be surprised if it could be Isa. The resemblance is too canny to be anyone despite of the other theories.

[King Demise 2,359]

Didn't Nomura already said in an interview that MF was YMX.

[Ven983 490]

really enjoyed your theory, it is nice to see someone who does research before making assumptions. I will definitely keep this theory in mind,

[BlueRose729 2]

Just as thanks, I have been reading everyone's thoughts and thank everyone for putting in their two cents.

Didn't Nomura already said in an interview that MF was YMX.

 

Nomura's said that MF was the person many people are calling YMX. He never gave a name to YMX, that's just fan assumption. They're the same character, but the true identity is still a mystery.

 

really enjoyed your theory, it is nice to see someone who does research before making assumptions. I will definitely keep this theory in mind,

 

Thanks~ I like to keep as informed as possible and I did run this through a friend of mine before posting it to iron out most of the kinks. I wanted to make sure I was as accurate as possible.