BlazingSoul 130 Posted February 18, 2012 could the red eye creature from the latest trailer be ventus heartless. Here is what I think: when Sora released his heart in KH1 he released his own heart and Ventus heart, creating 2 nobody and 2 heartless. Roxas is confused to be Sora's nobody even by Organization 13, naming him after Sora, but could he be Ventus's nobody. In the secret ending of birth by sleep final mix, we see ventus's body in castle oblivion disappearing. Did he disappear when Sora stabbed himself? We also see Sora's heartless when Kairi tried to protect him, but I think it was destroyed. Then Sora returned hugging Kairi, but here is the problem, I thought the somebody of a person only returned when a person's heartless and nobody was destroyed, but when did Sora's nobody was destroyed in Hollow Bastion? Could the Sora we play as after the vents of Hollow Bastion, CoM, KH2, and KH3d really be Sora's nobody. Roxas is now gone which means that Ventus nobody is gone. Now all that's left is to eliminate Ventus heartless and Sora's nobody so that their somebody's could return. Mr. Red Eyes could not be Sora's nobody, because only heartless that have evolved have either yellow round eyes, or red round eyes, so that only lead to Ventus's heartless. About Vanitas, I think he merged Terranort. When Sora sees Vanitas in the church, Young Xehanort has the same smile and gestures of Vanitas, but with Terra's power, and Xehanort tan skin and yellow eyes. He could also be only Xehaort and Vanitas fused without Terra, but then where could Terra be? Well this is my opinion, so please do not start hating on my specualtions. If you think I am wrong just say it nicely please. Thanks for listening. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarLea Quinn 26,501 Posted February 18, 2012 Ventus doesnt have a nobody.His body is ASLEEP in CO. His heart wasnt released when Sora released Kairis and his heart.It stayed in Soras body. Sora's heartless was brought back to human form when Kairi hugged him .Sora is special and held his human form as a heartless and is technically a heartless all the the rest of KH1 and CoM. The Org even is marveled by this and Axel states Sora is the second one only to Ansem SoD to do this and is fascinated .Roxas is Soras nobody with Vens heart thus his appearance... When Roxas entered CO the reason he fainted was bc his heart was near his original body .Vanitas original form was mentioned to be faceless with red eyes in the BBS novel so its a theory the red eyed figure is Vanitas...As for YMX, we dont know much about him yet since its all speculation really. 4 RobertOrri, VoidXName, Nightmare and 1 other reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robbie the Wise 5,050 Posted February 18, 2012 Ventus doesnt have a nobody.His body is ASLEEP in CO. His heart wasnt released when Sora released Kairis and his heart.It stayed in Soras body. Sora's heartless was brought back to human form when Kairi hugged him .Sora is special and held his human form as a heartless and is technically a heartless all the the rest of KH1 and CoM. The Org even is marveled by this and Axel states Sora is the second one only to Ansem SoD to do this and is fascinated .Roxas is Soras nobody with Vens heart thus his appearance.Vanitas original formed was mentioned to be faceless with red eyes in the BBS novel so its a theory the red eyed figure is Vanitas...As for YMX, we dont know much about him yet since its all speculation really. This I was just too lazy to type it out. 2 HarLea Quinn and VoidXName reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
King Riku 2,063 Posted February 18, 2012 Ven's heart is pure light, like Kairi's and I don't think they can have heartless. I have no idea how Sora came back(I think I remember reading that Kairi had something to do with it, since she's a princess of light?), but he wasn't a Nobody or heartless after that. He was himself, a Somebody, the real Sora. The Sora we play as in DDD is a different one. Ventus doesnt have a nobody.His body is ASLEEP in CO. His heart wasnt released when Sora released Kairis and his heart.It stayed in Soras body. Sora's heartless was brought back to human form when Kairi hugged him .Sora is special and held his human form as a heartless and is technically a heartless all the the rest of KH1 and CoM. The Org even is marveled by this and Axel states Sora is the second one only to Ansem SoD to do this and is fascinated .Roxas is Soras nobody with Vens heart thus his appearance.Vanitas original formed was mentioned to be faceless with red eyes in the BBS novel so its a theory the red eyed figure is Vanitas...As for YMX, we dont know much about him yet since its all speculation really. Exactly, I just don't know what to say about this, but this theory makes no sense at all, I am completely confused because of basic stuff that just can't happen, which throws the rest out the window with it. Sorry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarLea Quinn 26,501 Posted February 18, 2012 . Sorry Blazing but there are too many holes in your theory.Im not trying to be mean .I think you are confused though Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robbie the Wise 5,050 Posted February 18, 2012 Sora was a walking heart (heartless) up untill roxas merged back with him. 2 oblivion/oathkeeper roxas8 and HarLea Quinn reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
King Riku 2,063 Posted February 18, 2012 Sora was a walking heart (heartless) up untill roxas merged back with him. Lol, don't heartless walk already? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlazingSoul 130 Posted February 18, 2012 ok thanks. i just needed to clear that out. About Vanitas, could he be divided into a nobody and heartless? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarLea Quinn 26,501 Posted February 18, 2012 Lol, don't heartless walk already? No hes saying Sora WAS a heartless through the rest of KH1 and CoM like i said...He didnt go back to somebody Sora .He just retained human form as a heartless Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
neodarkness 16 Posted February 18, 2012 ok thanks. i just needed to clear that out. About Vanitas, could he be divided into a nobody and heartless? ok thanks. i just needed to clear that out. About Vanitas, could he be divided into a nobody and heartless? Vanitas is the darkness in Ven's heart, so that makes him pure darkness so i dont know if he can turn into a heartless Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nweintraub 630 Posted February 18, 2012 could the red eye creature from the latest trailer be ventus heartless. Here is what I think: when Sora released his heart in KH1 he released his own heart and Ventus heart, creating 2 nobody and 2 heartless. Roxas is confused to be Sora's nobody even by Organization 13, naming him after Sora, but could he be Ventus's nobody. In the secret ending of birth by sleep final mix, we see ventus's body in castle oblivion disappearing. Did he disappear when Sora stabbed himself? We also see Sora's heartless when Kairi tried to protect him, but I think it was destroyed. Then Sora returned hugging Kairi, but here is the problem, I thought the somebody of a person only returned when a person's heartless and nobody was destroyed, but when did Sora's nobody was destroyed in Hollow Bastion? Could the Sora we play as after the vents of Hollow Bastion, CoM, KH2, and KH3d really be Sora's nobody. Roxas is now gone which means that Ventus nobody is gone. Now all that's left is to eliminate Ventus heartless and Sora's nobody so that their somebody's could return. Mr. Red Eyes could not be Sora's nobody, because only heartless that have evolved have either yellow round eyes, or red round eyes, so that only lead to Ventus's heartless. About Vanitas, I think he merged Terranort. When Sora sees Vanitas in the church, Young Xehanort has the same smile and gestures of Vanitas, but with Terra's power, and Xehanort tan skin and yellow eyes. He could also be only Xehaort and Vanitas fused without Terra, but then where could Terra be? Well this is my opinion, so please do not start hating on my specualtions. If you think I am wrong just say it nicely please. Thanks for listening. How come I couldn't come up with something like all that?!? You're really good, & you also make me a little jealous. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
King Riku 2,063 Posted February 18, 2012 No hes saying Sora WAS a heartless through the rest of KH1 and CoM like i said...He didnt go back to somebody Sora .He just retained human form as a heartless Lol yeah, I know, I just found it funny, and couldn't resist posting that. Vanitas is the darkness in Ven's heart, so that makes him pure darkness so i dont know if he can turn into a heartless I suppose you could say that Vanitas is Ven's heartless for this reason. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarLea Quinn 26,501 Posted February 18, 2012 Lol yeah, I know, I just found it funny, and couldn't resist posting that. I suppose you could say that Vanitas is Ven's heartless for this reason. Oh ok ..but im confused ..In your first post you said that when Sora was brought back to human form that he was a somebody again.But he wasnt..He literally was a heartless in human form like Ansem SoD through the rest of Kh1 and CoM.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VoidXName 346 Posted February 18, 2012 I suppose you could say that Vanitas is Ven's heartless for this reason. Yes, but. Remember a Heartless is created when the Darkness in one's hearts takes over and consumes the Heart. That never happened with Vanitas, because he had his darkness under control. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lizzie1238 538 Posted February 18, 2012 It's impossible for Ventus to have a Heartless, since he has a heart of pure light and there is no darkness in it to become a Heartless. That is why a Heartless wasn't created when Kairi's heart left her body, since she had a heart of pure light as well. 2 HarLea Quinn and VoidXName reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tonytones89 4 Posted February 19, 2012 Correct me if I'm wrong here but isn't vanitas the darkness in vens heart??? If that's the case then I would think sora has a heart of pure light and can't turn into a heartless or nobody and the heartless you see him as in kh1 is the darkness left in vens heart in sora makin roxas vens nobody thus his appearance is that of ven not sora??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarLea Quinn 26,501 Posted February 19, 2012 Correct me if I'm wrong here but isn't vanitas the darkness in vens heart??? If that's the case then I would think sora has a heart of pure light and can't turn into a heartless or nobody and the heartless you see him as in kh1 is the darkness left in vens heart in sora makin roxas vens nobody thus his appearance is that of ven not sora??? NOPE..Read my first post above..I explained it all Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tonytones89 4 Posted February 19, 2012 That's wat I'm trying to get at though if roxas is derived from vens heart wouldn't that make him vens nobody not sora's??? Let's be real sora's heart didn't get over come by darkness thus turning him into a heartless. Sora has a heart of pure light that why he willingly fell into darkness to save kairi. What he didn't account for was vens heart inside him and the little darkness in vens heart(and there is some people hence vanitas)is that little heartless "sora" turns into Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tonytones89 4 Posted February 19, 2012 Remember guys heart is the key to all this not body or soul Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarLea Quinn 26,501 Posted February 19, 2012 That's wat I'm trying to get at though if roxas is derived from vens heart wouldn't that make him vens nobody not sora's??? Let's be real sora's heart didn't get over come by darkness thus turning him into a heartless. Sora has a heart of pure light thatwhy he willingly fell into darkness to save kairi. What he didn't account for was vens heart inside him and the little darkness in vens heart(and there is some people hence vanitas)is that little heartless "sora" turns into NO NO NO ...... Ven CANT have a nobody..Nobodies are the Physical body of the somebody after the heart is released.. Vens body is in CO and cant be Roxas.Soras body ( nobody) plus Vens heart is Roxas..Roxas is derived from SORAS BODY but VENS HEART thus his appearance..You are very confused.. 2 Robbie the Wise and oblivion/oathkeeper roxas8 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
replika13 455 Posted February 19, 2012 this theory doesnt make much sense. If ven is still having a heartless and if his nobody is already destroyed, that means he cant return as somebody. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lizzie1238 538 Posted February 19, 2012 That's wat I'm trying to get at though if roxas is derived from vens heart wouldn't that make him vens nobody not sora's??? Let's be real sora's heart didn't get over come by darkness thus turning him into a heartless. Sora has a heart of pure light that why he willingly fell into darkness to save kairi. What he didn't account for was vens heart inside him and the little darkness in vens heart(and there is some people hence vanitas)is that little heartless "sora" turns into Lol Sora doesn't have a heart of pure light, and Ventus does. You must be confused. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarLea Quinn 26,501 Posted February 19, 2012 Lol Sora doesn't have a heart of pure light, and Ventus does. You must be confused. Hes more than confused..He's lost Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robbie the Wise 5,050 Posted February 19, 2012 What did I just read 1 HarLea Quinn reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tonytones89 4 Posted February 19, 2012 Like I've said kairis body was sleeping when her heart was with sora and she still has a nobody (namine) FACT Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
