xahanortlives 24 Posted January 31, 2012 Think about this; “How come Roxas uses the Keyblade, being the Nobody of a Keyblade wielder, but Xemnas could not? I mean, to be honest, Roxas and Xion would have been unnecessary members of the Organization if Xemnas could have colleted hearts to complete his Kingdom Hearts himself.” I have heard multiple theories on this with rather large rifts in them. One of the more pervasive ideas going around in our circles is that Xemnas thought that the power of “nothingness” was stronger than light. (a.k.a. the Keyblade’s power.) But then why does Xemnas say in a clear voice near the end of KH II, “Hearts are the source of all power!” :mellow: That one line pretty much shoots down that theory. Another theory that is well intentioned, but has a gaping hole in it, involves Terra. This theory states that after Xaenhort possessed Terra, and during the last battle with Aqua when Terra “fights back,” not only did he damage Xahanort’s memory, he also went out of his way to make sure that Xahanort couldn’t use the Keyblade any longer. How did Terra manage to do this? Well the author claims that all throughout “Kingdom Hearts” Terra was fighting inside Xahanort to restrict his ability to use the Keyblade. I believe that makes perfect sense to why XAHANORT doesn’t (more like couldn’t) use the Keyblade in “Kingdom Hearts”, but the author conveniently leaves out how all of the above facts apply to XEMNAS and why he doesn’t use the Keyblade. http://kh13.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/dry.png So why doesn’t Xemnas use the Keyblade? Essential knowledge about the Keyblade is required to understand my well thought out and researched theory about this matter concerning Xemnas. My entire theory rests on this single fact; one must have at least part of a heart to use the Keyblade. Now before you scream “But Roxas didn’t have a heart!” hear me out. Roxas DID have a PART of Sora’s heart. Think about this. When Xaenhort extracted the darkness from Ventus’ heart and created Vanitus, Vanitus could use the Keyblade because he took a huge chunk of Ventus’ heart with him. He had part of a heart, so he could use the Keyblade. Now let’s switch over to “Kingdom Hearts.” When Sora extracted both his and Kairi’s heart simultaneously from Sora’s body, both Roxas and Namine were created. Roxas could use the Keyblade because he had a PART OF SORA’S HEART WHEN HE WAS CREATED, (I’ll explain in more detail later.) and yet Roxas didn’t have so big a chunk of Sora’s heart that he had to fall into the clutches of sleep like Ven did when Vanitas was conjured. “I want Proof!” some of you say, well here’s two pieces of proof. 1. Roxas cries more than once, which expresses genuine emotion. You need a heart to express genuine emotion. 2. When Vexen gave Sora the Twilight Town card in Castle Oblivion, he said that he found the information to make that card “from another side of [his] memory.” That “other” side of Sora’s memory was Roxas’ piece of Sora’s heart. “Alright, but what does this have to do with Xemnas not using the Keyblade?” EVERYTHING!!! Here is my theory about why Xemnas didn’t use the Keyblade. It wasn’t that Xemnas didn’t want to use the Keyblade; it’s the fact that he couldn’t use it. Why? When Xaenhort extracted his heart, he did not do the natural thing like Sora did and let it drift away to create a natural Nobody. No, Xahanort deliberately forced his heart into Terra’s. And since Xaenhort did that and never gave up a body for any amount of time, he did become a Heartless, but inside of Terra’s body. (Thus making Xahanort half human, half heartless.) That did not happen to Sora. Sora completely gave up his body when he turned the Keyblade on himself and became 100% Heartless. So Sora’s heart drifted away and began creating Roxas. During that creating process though, Sora’s heart was yanked back inside him when the light of Kairi turned Sora into a human again. But not all of Sora’s heart came back to him, part of it stayed with Roxas because he was at least in part of the creating process to make a Nobody. Xahanort’s heart never even entered the creating stage because his heart went straight from his body into Terra and thus no part of Xahanort’s heart was used to create Xemnas. No part of a heart = No usage of the Keyblade. Some would say “Well that makes no sense! A Nobody with virtually none of the characteristics to make a Nobody? Poppycock!” The underlined portion was a paraphrase of a quote from the Secret Reports from “Kingdom Hearts II” when Ansem the Wise was describing Namine. OoO Yes, that’s right! If you can put two and two together, you realize that Namine was created in almost the exact same conditions as Xemnas. Put that in your pipe and smoke it!... Oh! You deny what I am saying? Then let me do a side by side comparison. Xaenhort turns the Keyblade on himself thus releasing his heart from his body and then forcefully thrusts his heart into Terra’s. Xaenhort’s heart doesn’t have a chance to enter the creating stage to make a Nobody, and yet Xemnas is born and cannot use the Keyblade. Sora turns the Keyblade on himself thus releasing his heart from his body and, since Kairi’s heart was inside Sora’s heart at that moment and Kairi’s body was just feet away, Kairi’s heart naturally reenters her own body. Kairi’s heart doesn’t have a chance to enter the creating stage to make a Nobody, and yet… Namine is born with special powers over Sora and those connected to him. But I’m rabbit-trailing here…if anyone has any questions, let me know. 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Khrulesbbs 574 Posted January 31, 2012 Its likely that he also forgot how to summon his blade. The fact is we dont know why he doesnt weild a keyblade its just a mystery that will be answered in KH3D or KH3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tails 6,690 Posted January 31, 2012 Roxas can weild a keyblade because he had Ven's heart inside him. Xemnas couldn't weild a keyblade because he lacked a heart. But judging from reading your post, you contradicted yourself with this question. 1 Akihiko reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Master Keeper 687 Posted January 31, 2012 One word .... Ventus Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xahanortlives 24 Posted January 31, 2012 O-o Whoa...Wait a minute!? Ventus was inside of Roxas? That sounds reasonable is there any in-game proof to back that up? If anyone could show me that, (1) I'd be appreciative and (2) I'd be surprised! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
animemylove 439 Posted January 31, 2012 O-o Whoa...Wait a minute!? Ventus was inside of Roxas? That sounds reasonable is there any in-game proof to back that up? If anyone could show me that, (1) I'd be appreciative and (2) I'd be surprised! I don't think there really is any proof .. it just makes the most sense. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RoxaSoraXIII 40 Posted January 31, 2012 Roxas had Ventus' heart inside him. This happened when Sora used The Keyblade of People's Hearts on himself, freeing his heart, Kairi's and Ventus'. Roxas is identical to Ventus (in appearance) because he has Ventus' heart, so that's why he can use a Keyblade. He could use two Keyblades because of Xion. Xion could use a Keyblade because she was supposed to be like a clone of Sora, so I think that's why she can use a Keyblade. Xemnas doesn't have a heart, so he can't have a Keyblade. 1 Queen Tery reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VoidXName 346 Posted January 31, 2012 O-o Whoa...Wait a minute!? Ventus was inside of Roxas? That sounds reasonable is there any in-game proof to back that up? If anyone could show me that, (1) I'd be appreciative and (2) I'd be surprised! Well no where in game do they specifically say that Roxas has Ven's heart, but it is heavily implied. They say many times in game that Roxas is a special nobody. And the only thing you need to wield a keyblade is strong heart, so that means that Roxas must have a heart. Roxas doesn't look like sora, he looks like Ven. All the other Nobodies look like they're somebodies. So Roxas must have Ven's heart, because he looks like Ven. Xemnas cannot wield a keyblade, because he does not have a heart. Xehanort's heart became Ansem, Seeker of Darkness. Another theory is that Xemnas didn't remember. But I think that even if he did remember he still wouldn't be able to wield the keyblade. Unless he has Terra's heart or something. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarLea Quinn 26,501 Posted January 31, 2012 Well lets see here..it was shown after the fight with vanitas that vens heart was once again fractured and took refuge in soras heart to heal..Its still there bc ven hasnt woken to claim it yet.So when roxas was created he had vens heart thus giving him the appearance of Ven not Sora ...How did u miss this? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xahanortlives 24 Posted January 31, 2012 Hm...some good thoughts here guys, but, no offense, I'm gonna stick with what I was saying since there is actual in game proof. I'm real picky about that and I'm not really that into just theorizing off of some random tangent; in game proof is my guiding principle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarLea Quinn 26,501 Posted January 31, 2012 Hm...some good thoughts here guys, but, no offense, I'm gonna stick with what I was saying since there is actual in game proof. I'm real picky about that and I'm not really that into just theorizing off of some random tangent; in game proof is my guiding principle. LOL so why do u think roxas looks like VEN?...Or why xigbar says when he looks at roxas he sees 'him" (ven).....its a fact that vens heart was in sora .....yet u didnt even know that ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xahanortlives 24 Posted January 31, 2012 Well lets see here..it was shown after the fight with vanitas that vens heart was once again fractured and took refuge in soras heart to heal..Its still there bc ven hasnt woken to claim it yet.So when roxas was created he had vens heart thus giving him the appearance of Ven not Sora ...How did u miss this? Hm, that sounds alright, but it's just not specific enough for me. If you want to get technical in that manner, there should have been three Nobodies created since there were three hearts inside of Sora (His own, Kairi's, and Ven's) so how could Sora's heart and Ventus's heart colaberate to one nobody, Roxas? Just some food for thought there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xahanortlives 24 Posted January 31, 2012 LOL so why do u think roxas looks like VEN?...Or why xigbar says when he looks at roxas he sees 'him" (ven).....its a fact that vens heart was in sora .....yet u didnt even know that ... Well I could ask a similar question and ask why Vanitas looked like Sora? For there wasn't even any contact with Sora by anyone when Vanitas was created. It's somewhat of a mystery I wager. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarLea Quinn 26,501 Posted January 31, 2012 Hm, that sounds alright, but it's just not specific enough for me. If you want to get technical in that manner, there should have been three Nobodies created since there were three hearts inside of Sora (His own, Kairi's, and Ven's) so how could Sora's heart and Ventus's heart colaberate to one nobody, Roxas? Just some food for thought there. #1 Vens heart was fractured and his body in deep sleep....Soras and kairies werent..Therefore you have only vens heart to deal with and not his physical body unlike the other two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xahanortlives 24 Posted January 31, 2012 #1 Vens heart was fractured and his body in deep sleep....Soras and kairies werent..Therefore you have only vens heart to deal with and not his physical body unlike the other two But then it still wagers to ask the question then, where is the third nobody? Kairi = Namine/ Ventus = Roxas (According to you)/ Sora = ? http://kh13.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/sleep.png Know what I'm saying? There's kind of a gap there... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarLea Quinn 26,501 Posted January 31, 2012 Well I could ask a similar question and ask why Vanitas looked like Sora? For there wasn't even any contact with Sora by anyone when Vanitas was created. It's somewhat of a mystery I wager. Not really...in the past when soras heart was born, vens heart was fractured the first time when he and vanitas were seperated and vanitas was born..it sougt refuge in soras heart and it healed him to make him whole again..Then MX brought him to eraqus to be trained and taken in...Vens heart went to sora TWICE to heal.. The current time being the present Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarLea Quinn 26,501 Posted January 31, 2012 But then it still wagers to ask the question then, where is the third nobody? Kairi = Namine/ Ventus = Roxas (According to you)/ Sora = ? http://kh13.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/sleep.png Know what I'm saying? There's kind of a gap there... No im saying Soras nobody is ROXAS with vens heart and VEN doesnt have a nobody his physical body in in deep sleep. 2 Queen Tery and Robbie the Wise reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xahanortlives 24 Posted January 31, 2012 Not really...in the past when soras heart was born, vens heart was fractured the first time when he and vanitas were seperated and vanitas was born..it sougt refuge in soras heart and it healed him to make him whole again..Then MX brought him to eraqus to be trained and taken in...Vens heart went to sora TWICE to heal.. The current time being the present True, but how do you connect that to Vanitas? Ven and Vanitas were independent entities throughout all of BBS except for the very end for the last fight inside of Ven. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xahanortlives 24 Posted January 31, 2012 No im saying Soras nobody is ROXAS with vens heart and VEN doesnt have a nobody his physical body in in deep sleep. ...WHOA!!! Hey there! A lightbulb turned on! Ven does not have a nobody since his body is in sleep...I never really thought of that!...fail. :mellow: Oh well. Hey man, you're good, come visit my posts more often, and I'll do the same for yours. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xahanortlives 24 Posted January 31, 2012 ...WHOA!!! Hey there! A lightbulb turned on! Ven does not have a nobody since his body is in sleep...I never really thought of that!...fail. :mellow: Oh well. Hey man, you're good, come visit my posts more often, and I'll do the same for yours. oh...sorry...that'd be, "hey WOman, you're good," Sorry http://kh13.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/happy.png Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarLea Quinn 26,501 Posted January 31, 2012 oh...sorry...that'd be, "hey WOman, you're good," Sorry http://kh13.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/happy.png LOL thx and yes im a woman Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xahanortlives 24 Posted January 31, 2012 Well folks, I officially have my first correction to post here. (Man, that didnt take long, havent been a member here for even a day and I'm already correcting myself! :wacko:) After a conversation with axel_lea_lives_on, it is undeniable that Ventus was in fact inside of Roxas and that is why he could use the Keyblade. It just makes sense. Another thing I just thought of is that Sora did in fact retain his heart because, for a time, he turned into a Heartless. So who's heart was involved in creating Roxas? Ventus' heart, It must have been him! Thanks for all the intel guys, this has truly been enlightening. 1 HarLea Quinn reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HarLea Quinn 26,501 Posted January 31, 2012 True, but how do you connect that to Vanitas? Ven and Vanitas were independent entities throughout all of BBS except for the very end for the last fight inside of Ven. Bc ven and vanitas are literally each other so even though they were seperated they still are connected and most likely effect each other somehow..Just like i bet its possible for them to track each other bc they are each other Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
replika13 455 Posted February 1, 2012 xemnas probably chose not to wield it, cause it brings big resbonsibilities and he is such a lazy guy after all, putting everyone else to mission, while sitting in his chair for weeks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RoxaSoraXIII 40 Posted February 1, 2012 Well I could ask a similar question and ask why Vanitas looked like Sora? For there wasn't even any contact with Sora by anyone when Vanitas was created. It's somewhat of a mystery I wager. Vanitas had Sora's appearance because Vanitas is a part of Ven's heart. Since Ven's heart was connected with Sora's heart, Vanitas took Sora's appearance, because Vanitas would take the appearance of anyone whose heart is connected with Ven's. For example: If Terra's heart was connected with Ven's, so Vanitas would look like Terra. Remember that Vanitas doesn't have his own appearance. He has no face, so that's why he uses a mask http://kh13.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/happy.png Oh, and Ven isn't Roxas. Roxas is Sora. Roxas was created by Sora's heart, but Ven's heart took refuge into Roxas' body, so that's why Roxas appearance is identical to Ven's (but I think that Roxas' hair is slightly different from Ven's hair xDDD). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
