KH3D Dream... Distance;...Drop Distance

[keystrike 145]

So, what all do we know about the realm of sleep? Well, it has something to do with dreams, and their are these new cretures of darkness that eat dreams, but their is actually two different types of these dream eaters called Nightmares and Spirits. Also some of these worlds and people are in the realm of light so... Anyone got a clue? With this last interview, I think I finally got a better idea for it all. Specifically the following quote:

 

—In KH3D, it seems not only in Fantasia, but in the Three Musketeers world as well Mickey appears in a form that hasn’t met Sora yet.

Nomura: Those worlds are set during a time Mickey was in the pursuit of knowledge, like “in a dream of the world of the past”.

 

And this got me thinking: what could "in a dream of the world of the past" mean and why those words warranted being in quotes. Instantly it clicked as I went on to read the next question over again.

 

—In Fantasia as well as other worlds, a golden eyed person wearing a black coat appears, who is he?

Nomura: He is the mysterious man who appeared in Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep Final Mix as a boss who manipulated time. Just who he is will be told in KH3D. Everywhere he goes, a few people of the darkness turn up, like how Vanitas came out in the trailer.

 

Past, present, future, time manipulation, I think we're getting closer. But before we go on to think about this startling connection why don't we try to make sense of the stuff that should be more straightforward in the first place, that is, the exact nature of this worlds in the realm of sleep.

 

At first, we had a pretty simple idea of these worlds. Worlds that were lost to darkness, that couldn't return to the realm of light, simply fell asleep and wound up in the realm of sleep. Upon closer inspection, there turns out to be more than what meets the eye. First off, Traverse Town. It was a town lost in the chasm between light and dark made up of remnants of lost worlds. Of course, when the worlds where restored it dissapeared, but wound up in the realm of dreams from the realm of light. Contradiction Correction number one right there; these worlds do not have to be coming from the realm of darkness, in fact they can even double in the realm of light. La Cite De Cloches probably was one of the worlds from the realm of darkness that couldn't return, but other than that not much worth talking about. Thirdly, the world of Tron based off of Tron: Legacy. I find this quite interesting the fact that a data world could actually be sleeping. The only thing I could imagine was that somebody put the computer to sleep and here it is, but in all seriousness I'd take it for now to just go to show how diverse of worlds that could end up here. Finally both Country of the Muskateers and Symphony of Sorcery as shown in the above interview confirm that these worlds are based off of real periods of time.

 

Confusing stuff no doubt, but in a way it gives us backround information to make conclusions. Now lets look back at the mysterious figure in BBS. Many have noted how he appears to shift in and out of reality especially when he pops up and disappears. I think I know how he appears at this time.

 

Take a step back and think about dreams. We have dreams of the past, dreams of the present, and even (false) premonitions of the future. Now tie this into a fact we know is true in the Kingdom Hearts universe, the fact that these dreams do exist somewhere and people's dreams are not independent of eachother. They are all connected in one big realm called the realm of dreams. Now where does this realm exist? I suggest it exists alongside existence. Specifically existence as an accumulation of every existence to ever exist (sorta like space-time, except its really not that complicated). In other words right outside Yen Sid's tower in the realm of light exists in a different realm, the world titled Symphony of Sorcery. One can fall into a dream, but the mysterious figure seems to be able to also fly out of one. Somewhere else in the realm of dreams should exist parts of land of departure (LoD gets destroyed, where does it go? Who cares! but when the worlds are restored it must'ave gone somewhere!). This is how the mysterious figure was able to travel to the past and battle TAV. In this world of dreams he flew up through the dimension of sleep into reality at that time. Of course he can't stay there because his existence remains in the realm of sleep.

 

Well, that's it for now. I have some other ideas to, but this seems plenty for now.

[Shana09 5,769]

LoD is now Castle Oblivion.... If you have completed the Final Episode in BBS...

btw good points...but still does not explain how MF is there since LoD is Castle Oblivion, unless its asleep, but Ventus is there...

[Ryan 188]

Well, one thing you were definitely right about was how MF battled TAV. Yes he shift through the Realm of Sleep into the Realm of Light. He traveled to the past to battle the previous Keyblade masters because he is a form of someone from the past. Now, I cannot say if the LoD will be in KH 3D, but wait and see. The one thing you did get right was that he was traveling through time and shifting through dimensions. True, now why did he? Why did he go to the LoD? Why did he battle TAV? What was he looking for or trying to do? Who is he? That will all be answered on March 29 with the release of KH 3D. Of course I could say as the game is in the final stage of development and production, but even I don't know everything, and what would happen if I did?

 

LoD is now Castle Oblivion. But when you play KH 3D you will see what I mean. LoD and Castle Oblivion each have different dimensions and realms. True Aqua was told by Eraqus what she should do if something were to happen, but think about it for a second.

 

EDIT: Ventus has something to do with it, as well as Sora, and even Riku to an extent. But that still isn't all. He's searching for something, but how could he search for it, if he doesn't know who he's searching for, how to find who he's searching for, and where that person is? Think about it.

 

The only words I have that can at least give you something are "Hearts other than your own."

 

Why does the darkness appear wherever he goes?

[keystrike 145]

LoD is now Castle Oblivion.... If you have completed the Final Episode in BBS...

btw good points...but still does not explain how MF is there since LoD is Castle Oblivion, unless its asleep, but Ventus is there...

The idea is that the bits that were sucked up by the huge ball of darkness in the sky ended up in the realm of darkness, and when the worlds were restored those pieces must have ended up in the realm of darkness. Because Aqua transformed what was left into Castle Oblivion, the remaining pieces of that world that fell asleep and wound up in the realm of darkness allowed the Mysterious Figure to travel to that time and place

[Kinode 3,056]

I've thought about this before. Maybe the Realm of Sleep is directly connected to the Realm of Light.

So if you do something in the past there, it might actually influence the Realm of Light itself.

Explaining, MF in BBS, even though that battle isn't legit.

Plausible, I guess.

[Shana09 5,769]

The idea is that the bits that were sucked up by the huge ball of darkness in the sky ended up in the realm of darkness, and when the worlds were restored those pieces must have ended up in the realm of darkness. Because Aqua transformed what was left into Castle Oblivion, the remaining pieces of that world that fell asleep and wound up in the realm of darkness allowed the Mysterious Figure to travel to that time and place

 

True...but does that mean Aqua is in the realm of sleep? Since BBS final mix showed her walking then saw Castle of Dreams in darkness, and like you said worlds in darkness went to sleep, so is it possible the realm of sleep is tied with the realm of darkness in a way?

 

 

 

 

I've thought about this before. Maybe the Realm of Sleep is directly connected to the Realm of Light.

So if you do something in the past there, it might actually influence the Realm of Light itself.

Explaining, MF in BBS, even though that battle isn't legit.

Plausible, I guess.

 

It probably is, since in KHFM showed Xemnas in the end, and he fought Sora for something, i think it was data? That made Xion, i read that somewhere dont know if it was true....

[keystrike 145]

I've thought about this before. Maybe the Realm of Sleep is directly connected to the Realm of Light.

So if you do something in the past there, it might actually influence the Realm of Light itself.

Explaining, MF in BBS, even though that battle isn't legit.

Plausible, I guess.

 

Not legit, yet possible I think is how it was meant to work out.

[Chronomagister 152]

I'm guessing that the Realm of Sleep is something like Land of the Lost you know? what i mean is that you can come in at certain points and explore different regions of time (I.E. Fantasia and 3 musketeers) and people can come out at different times, like the MF

 

 

Also, it could be parallel universes, Fantasia and musketeers get attacked by dream eaters and dont affect the current Mickey donald and goofy

[Where's Sora 47]

I wonder if MF is young Xehanort (eyes have some sort of gold color) or someone in the same manner as Xehanort.

[keystrike 145]

I'm guessing that the Realm of Sleep is something like Land of the Lost you know? what i mean is that you can come in at certain points and explore different regions of time (I.E. Fantasia and 3 musketeers) and people can come out at different times, like the MF

 

Also, it could be parallel universes, Fantasia and musketeers get attacked by dream eaters and dont affect the current Mickey donald and goofy

 

I agree with you except the realm of sleep seems to me to be more like a sub-reality world rather than equally real.

[Oishii 3,987]

I would just like to point out something. In all the official information I've read they never refer to it as the 'realm of sleep'. It is always the 'world of sleep'. Even when they talk about the realm of light and darkness at the same time, like in the story section of the website, they stick with the word 'world'. It is too consistent to be irrelovent. I think the world of sleep will be widely different than any other world or realm we've seen so far in KH. You can figure as much just by listening to what Joshua says.

[Chronomagister 152]

I agree with you except the realm of sleep seems to me to be more like a sub-reality world rather than equally real.

 

 

That makes sense too

[Cape Mario 15]

Tron:Legacy is probably in the Realm of Sleep because Tron mentioned that Space Paranoids is a copy of the destroyed original ENCOM program. Tron: Legacy is likely that destroyed version and is in the Realm of Sleep because bang destroyed left the world in a sleeping status.

 

As for Land of Departure, it can totally be in the Realm of Sleep, but not like all of you are thinking. Okay, we know that Land of Departure can change into Castle Oblivion with Eraqus' Keyblade trick. But what if this was more than just a physical transformation? Instead, think of them as two sides of the same coin and they can't exist without the other. One is awake (Castle Oblivion) and the other stays in sleep (Land of Departure) until the switch occurs again. Young Xehanort could be looking for the Land of Departure in the Realm of Sleep because since you could free worlds in sleep with the Keyblade, he can switch Castle Oblivion and Land of Departure without Aqua's help, but in the Realm of Sleep. Then, he could just go to the Realm of Light, go to Land of Departure, and retrieve Ven to probably form the X-Blade again or something.

[keystrike 145]

Tron:Legacy is probably in the Realm of Sleep because Tron mentioned that Space Paranoids is a copy of the destroyed original ENCOM program. Tron: Legacy is likely that destroyed version and is in the Realm of Sleep because bang destroyed left the world in a sleeping status.

or... no wait, my idea is no where near as good as this.

 

As for Land of Departure, it can totally be in the Realm of Sleep, but not like all of you are thinking. Okay, we know that Land of Departure can change into Castle Oblivion with Eraqus' Keyblade trick. But what if this was more than just a physical transformation? Instead, think of them as two sides of the same coin and they can't exist without the other. One is awake (Castle Oblivion) and the other stays in sleep (Land of Departure) until the switch occurs again. Young Xehanort could be looking for the Land of Departure in the Realm of Sleep because since you could free worlds in sleep with the Keyblade, he can switch Castle Oblivion and Land of Departure without Aqua's help, but in the Realm of Sleep. Then, he could just go to the Realm of Light, go to Land of Departure, and retrieve Ven to probably form the X-Blade again or something.

 

Interesting and appealing idea but the idea seems a bit thin. Not much proof ya know.

[Cape Mario 15]

or... no wait, my idea is no where near as good as this.

 

 

 

Interesting and appealing idea but the idea seems a bit thin. Not much proof ya know.

 

But nothing against it either. Besides, it would give a good chance to have Sora face the memories in his heart by meeting dream versions of the BBS cast.

[Kinode 3,056]

Right at these theories! Young Xehanort and Vanitas, looking for Ventus within the Realm of Sleep. Explaining that "Ventus Disappears" in the end of KHBBSFM. However, Sora and Riku will try to stop them. And I think, most likely fail.