KHBbS Ven's released heart

[axelrulz 26]

Bodies and Hearts are connected. It's like how when a Heartless and Nobody are destroyed and thier body and heart combine again. They don't go searching for eachother, they just meet. Also, nowhere does it say that that the Keyblade of People's Hearts extracts all the hearts in someone. Ansem/Riku used it on Maleficent and it didn't extract her heart, it turned her into the dragon. And Sora doesn't get a second body, he gets a body-LIKE shell. Not an actual body, but a shell to hold his heart temporarily until he got his body back from Roxas.

 

I never said the Keyblade of People's Hearts only had one purpose. Extracting people's hearts is only one of them, and im sure it has a loot more. And by saying it extracts all hearts, I meant that it could be used on anyone, including Ven. And again, I doubt Kairi can make him a "body-like shell". Especially by hugging him. Thats cheesy. And if she can make this "shell" you speak of, she should have just made him an actual body. And it never said that Sora got a "body-like shell".

[Snow 1,800]

What does the Nobodies being made from people's bodies have to do with anything? I said that I don't know why Sora randomly got his body back. Just like with MX, he couldn't come back until his heartless AND his Nobody were destroyed. If you mean that Sora's body turned into Roxas's, then I don't know how Sora got a second body, but I don't think Ven's heart could just decide to stay inside of it. The Keyblade of people's Hearts extracts people's hearts. ALL of them. Ven's isn't an exception. And Ven's heart couldn't just find Castle Oblivion and get in the Room of Awakening. That's like looking for a needle in a never-ending haystack that's in another never-ending haystack. It would've gotten lost in oblivion forever, which is suicide.

 

Looking at the way this is going, you're going to epicly fail debating with Azure.

 

He's completely right. He knows what he's talking about.

Ven's heart was not extracted. It sort of 'stayed behind' to use Sora's body and form it in his image.

 

 

I never said the Keyblade of People's Hearts only had one purpose. Extracting people's hearts is only one of them, and im sure it has a loot more. And by saying it extracts all hearts, I meant that it could be used on anyone, including Ven. And again, I doubt Kairi can make him a "body-like shell". Especially by hugging him. Thats cheesy. And if she can make this "shell" you speak of, she should have just made him an actual body. And it never said that Sora got a "body-like shell".

 

When you hug somebody, it doesn't mean you can't use magic while doing so.

And just because it never says something doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Ven's heart formed Sora's body into his physical appearance, creating a shell for Roxas.

Also, if that were possible for Kairi to create bodies, Xehanort ould've found out and kidnapped her before the events of KH1.

[axelrulz 26]

When you hug somebody, it doesn't mean you can't use magic while doing so.

And just because it never says something doesn't mean it didn't happen.

 

It kind of does. If you don't go by the facts, then you can make up pretty much anything, which is what's going on now. Im not trying to argue, I'm trying to straighten out the facts, so I'm going by what the games said.

 

 

Also, if that were possible for Kairi to create bodies, Xehanort ould've found out and kidnapped her before the events of KH1.

 

MX would have been fine with using a "shell" if Kairi could make them (which it never says), and since NO ONE in the ENTIRE kingdom hearts universe said ANYTHING about kairi spontaneously making bodies, MX wouldn't find out anyway.

[Rob 5,571]

Bodies and Hearts are connected. It's like how when a Heartless and Nobody are destroyed and thier body and heart combine again. They don't go searching for eachother, they just meet. Also, nowhere does it say that that the Keyblade of People's Hearts extracts all the hearts in someone. Ansem/Riku used it on Maleficent and it didn't extract her heart, it turned her into the dragon. And Sora doesn't get a second body, he gets a body-LIKE shell. Not an actual body, but a shell to hold his heart temporarily until he got his body back from Roxas.

 

The long battle between knowledge and ignorance continues. lol

[Zenithia 305]

I never said the Keyblade of People's Hearts only had one purpose. Extracting people's hearts is only one of them, and im sure it has a loot more. And by saying it extracts all hearts, I meant that it could be used on anyone, including Ven. And again, I doubt Kairi can make him a "body-like shell". Especially by hugging him. Thats cheesy. And if she can make this "shell" you speak of, she should have just made him an actual body. And it never said that Sora got a "body-like shell".

 

tutti frutti. I have to agree with the statements that Axelrulz has placed so far. For the most part, we don't really know how the heart is able to located the body and soul in order to merge back into one. Ven's heart could in fact reached Ven's body in Castle Oblivion in the same, if not similar manner on how Terranort has regain his form. As for Kairi, there's nothing really stating that Kairi used any of her ability as a Princess of Heart, since we don't really know what the Princesses of Heart are capable of outside of holding back the darkness, which is what one of them stated IN THE GAME. Also, if Kairi did have the ability to make a body-like shell, then I'm sure that some form of MX/Terranort would kidnap either Kairi or one of the other PoH for that very purpose. Ultimately, we don't truely know how Ansem SoD was able to retain a human form after becoming a heartless. Keyblade-wise we don't know completely on what the Keyblade is capable of outside of cutting, injuring, locking things, unlocking things and releasing hearts. Until it is revealed what the Keybalde is fully capable of doing, we can't say what the completely what it can do without solid facts. Though, for the time being I would think that if Ven's heart didn't go into Roxas, I would believe that his heart returned to him.

[axelrulz 26]

tutti frutti. I have to agree with the statements that Axelrulz has placed so far. For the most part, we don't really know how the heart is able to located the body and soul in order to merge back into one. Ven's heart could in fact reached Ven's body in Castle Oblivion in the same, if not similar manner on how Terranort has regain his form. As for Kairi, there's nothing really stating that Kairi used any of her ability as a Princess of Heart, since we don't really know what the Princesses of Heart are capable of outside of holding back the darkness, which is what one of them stated IN THE GAME. Also, if Kairi did have the ability to make a body-like shell, then I'm sure that some form of MX/Terranort would kidnap either Kairi or one of the other PoH for that very purpose. Ultimately, we don't truely know how Ansem SoD was able to retain a human form after becoming a heartless. Keyblade-wise we don't know completely on what the Keyblade is capable of outside of cutting, injuring, locking things, unlocking things and releasing hearts. Until it is revealed what the Keybalde is fully capable of doing, we can't say what the completely what it can do without solid facts. Though, for the time being I would think that if Ven's heart didn't go into Roxas, I would believe that his heart returned to him.

 

THANK YOU!!! SOMEONE UNDERSTANDS!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Snow 1,800]

It kind of does. If you don't go by the facts, then you can make up pretty much anything, which is what's going on now. Im not trying to argue, I'm trying to straighten out the facts, so I'm going by what the games said.

 

 

 

MX would have been fine with using a "shell" if Kairi could make them (which it never says), and since NO ONE in the ENTIRE kingdom hearts universe said ANYTHING about kairi spontaneously making bodies, MX wouldn't find out anyway.

 

What Xehanort needed was a legitimate body, not a shell.

[axelrulz 26]

What Xehanort needed was a legitimate body, not a shell.

 

Not necessarily. Azure Flame said that Sora was using a "shell", not his own body, and he seemed like he was doing pretty well in CoM, so im sure MX would have been just as strong with a "shell".

[Zenithia 305]

THANK YOU!!! SOMEONE UNDERSTANDS!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

tutti frutti. No problem there. For the most part there are too many loopholes and questions in the series to make anything certain from what we already know about it from the games themselves and interviews from Nomura. Outside of the information that we have access to, we can only assume to stuff we don't know about yet. Ven's heart could have returned to himself, to Sora, or even went to KH itself, we can't say for certain until we get the answers we deserve.

[axelrulz 26]

tutti frutti. No problem there. For the most part there are too many loopholes and questions in the series to make anything certain from what we already know about it from the games themselves and interviews from Nomura. Outside of the information that we have access to, we can only assume to stuff we don't know about yet. Ven's heart could have returned to himself, to Sora, or even went to KH itself, we can't say for certain until we get the answers we deserve.

 

I completely agree. You never really know what's right until they say exactly what happened. And even some of the things they already explained are hazy.

[Zenithia 305]

I completely agree. You never really know what's right until they say exactly what happened. And even some of the things they already explained are hazy.

 

tutti frutti. That is true. Though because of that I wish that the series began to be more consistent.

[axelrulz 26]

tutti frutti. That is true. Though because of that I wish that the series began to be more consistent.

 

I'm not sure if it's a matter of consistency, I think they're purposely leaving things out so we can try to figure things out by ourselves and build our own Kingdom Hearts in our imaginations that's different from everyone else's.

[Zenithia 305]

I'm not sure if it's a matter of consistency, I think they're purposely leaving things out so we can try to figure things out by ourselves and build our own Kingdom Hearts in our imaginations that's different from everyone else's.

 

tutti frutti. You got me there since the team in Nintendo that works on the Zelda series seems to do the same thing. To me that's one of the things that I like about some series where you let your imagination do the work. Though for people outside of companies, such as SE, that claim to know what isn't revealed can be frustrating to deal with.

[Zenithia 305]

No, Ven's heart stayed in Sora's body and helped form it into Roxas while Sora's Heartless was given a body-like shell thanks to Kairi's powers bringing him back from the Darkness. Then at the begining of KH2, Sora and Roxas merged, with Sora's body taking it's normal form again.

 

tutti frutti. Azure, mostly because this has been bugging me, where is it explained that Kairi used her powers to help Sora the way you mentioned? And if I remember right, Sora and Roxas merged more towards the end of KH2.

[Azure Flame 670]

tutti frutti. Azure, mostly because this has been bugging me, where is it explained that Kairi used her powers to help Sora the way you mentioned? And if I remember right, Sora and Roxas merged more towards the end of KH2.

 

It didn't exlain it really, it was more of an educated guess. And it's possible that she did do it, and not even know she did or how she did it because at that time she didn't even know of her powers. Also, Sora and Roxas merged twice. In the begining to make Sora whole, and then at the end they had a complete merging. In a way, it's kinda like Ven and Vanitas in BBS. The battle between Sora and Roxas in TWTNW is similar to the final battle of Ven and Vanitas, except they were just fighting for control, not to destroy one-another.

[axelrulz 26]

It didn't exlain it really, it was more of an educated guess. And it's possible that she did do it, and not even know she did or how she did it because at that time she didn't even know of her powers. Also, Sora and Roxas merged twice. In the begining to make Sora whole, and then at the end they had a complete merging. In a way, it's kinda like Ven and Vanitas in BBS. The battle between Sora and Roxas in TWTNW is similar to the final battle of Ven and Vanitas, except they were just fighting for control, not to destroy one-another.

 

It's funny that it's an "educated guess" since you have no evidence to support it. An educated guess would be thinking about the FACTS, which you haven't used yet, and getting something based off of that. And i think that Roxas and Sora fighting in TWTNW was more of a way for Roxas to find out if Sora was strong enough to take on Xemnas, and to learn why Xemnas picked him to destroy the Heartless and collect hearts in the first place.

[Zenithia 305]

tutti frutti. I ultimately believe that Ven's heart returned to him when Sora released his heart to help Kairi. For all we know he could be trapped inside of Castle Oblivion if the only one that can get to him is Aqua. But if Ven's heart did in fact go back to him, I'm puzzled on how he is able to survive in there without some of the regular necessities, like food.

[Loki 1,184]

tutti frutti. I ultimately believe that Ven's heart returned to him when Sora released his heart to help Kairi. For all we know he could be trapped inside of Castle Oblivion if the only one that can get to him is Aqua. But if Ven's heart did in fact go back to him, I'm puzzled on how he is able to survive in there without some of the regular necessities, like food.

 

Its a video game. People in video games arent held down by trifling necessities like eating. I bet there isnt even a bathroom in Castle Oblivion.

[axelrulz 26]

tutti frutti. I ultimately believe that Ven's heart returned to him when Sora released his heart to help Kairi. For all we know he could be trapped inside of Castle Oblivion if the only one that can get to him is Aqua. But if Ven's heart did in fact go back to him, I'm puzzled on how he is able to survive in there without some of the regular necessities, like food.

 

In the secret ending of re:coded, Yen Sid said that they found Ven's heart, and I think he might have said that they found Ven instead of Ven's heart if his heart went back to his body. Then again, in the trailer for KH 3D, it showed Ven, and then his chair was just empty, so that might mean that he got out. But we wont know until we actually see him wake up.

[Zenithia 305]

Its a video game. People in video games arent held down by trifling necessities like eating. I bet there isnt even a bathroom in Castle Oblivion.

 

tutti frutti. I just meant that as an example of whatever is considered as a necessities in the video games, assuming that there were any. Some games, such as Dragon Quest 8, actually showed the need for characters to eat food and sleeping.

[Loki 1,184]

tutti frutti. I just meant that as an example of whatever is considered as a necessities in the video games, assuming that there were any. Some games, such as Dragon Quest 8, actually showed the need for characters to eat food and sleeping.

 

That game is obviously full of blasphemy