KH1 "I know now, without a doubt, kingdom hearts is light!"

[mfampait 49]

OK i just dont really understand why after sora says this ansem SoD is killed by the light from kingdom hearts but then as soon as they look inside they see 10 buttloads of darksides inside it, but darksides are heartess and heartless and manifestations of darkness so i dont really see how kingdom hearts is both light and dark

[Khrulesbbs 574]

because without darkness there is no light without light there is no darkness there is no way darkness can be in kh without there being light in there with it

[Keyblade King 12 486]

Because Kingdom Hearts resides inside the realm of darkness. It can't destroy the realm of darkness, just because it's light. If anything it makes more, Kingdom Hearts destroyed Ansem SoD because he was trying to tap into the power. Kingdom Hearts wasn't going to let itself be taken over by Ansem. But Kingdom Hearts is actually quite weak, at least in the Realm of Darkness. I mean, it couldn't even kill Ansem completely, despite his weakened state.

[keystrike 145]

Kingdom Hearts was the door itself, not the actual place behind it, that was the realm of darkness. It might be helpful to think of the relationship between the dtd/dtl and kingdom hearts similar to the trinity in the bible; same things, but at the same time, not really. It should also be mentioned that the dtd or kingdom heats was also artificial so while it was kingdom hearts it wasn't the real kingdom hearts. (sorry for being confusing there). Anyway the exact way the light shined through remains a mystery because the dtd only lets darkness pass except it clearly shows light shining through. Think of it what you will.

[Keyblade King 12 486]

  On 12/23/2011 at 10:58 PM, 'keystrike' said:

Kingdom Hearts was the door itself, not the actual place behind it, that was the realm of darkness. It might be helpful to think of the relationship between the dtd/dtl and kingdom hearts similar to the trinity in the bible; same things, but at the same time, not really. It should also be mentioned that the dtd or kingdom heats was also artificial so while it was kingdom hearts it wasn't the real kingdom hearts. (sorry for being confusing there). Anyway the exact way the light shined through remains a mystery because the dtd only lets darkness pass except it clearly shows light shining through. Think of it what you will.

 

NO IT BLOODY WASN'T! THE DOOR WAS NOT Kingdom Hearts! WOULD YOU PEOPLE GET THIS INTO YOUR HEADS! IT'S BEEN HOW MANY YEARS OF US TELLING YOU 'NO' TO THIS IDEA AND YOU STILL THINK IT!

 

Sorry, about that. Lost my temper for a second. But, you are so messed up. One, the door to darkness is not Kingdom Hearts. It's the door to darkness, opened when all seven princesses of heart are gathered and the keyhole is opened. It is found at the End of the World, a special world that exists in darkness despite existing in the realm of light. The door to darkness opens the path to the realm of darkness, in which Kingdom Hearts lies. It came to be there after the realm of darkness was created.

The Light we saw in KH1, was a light shinning from Kingdom Hearts, once the doors were open, Kingdom Hearts was able to shine through. The door was not an artificial version of Kingdom Hearts. So far, there hasn't ever been an 'artificial' version. The versions in KH2 and BBS were both representations, as the true Kingdom Hearts lies dormant inside of the Realm of Darkness.

Light can shine through the doors to darkness, it just rarely happens because the realm of darkness should really only contain darkness. Kingdom Hearts provides the only light that has ever shone through the doors to darkness.

And I have no idea what the trinity in the Bible is, but the relationship between the DtD and DtL is, basically, one's a front door and one's a back door.

[Ultimate Oblivion 52]

ansem did said "the keyblade alone cannot seal the door to darkness" proves that is not kingdom hearts

[Mudderz 15]

"Once Kingdom Hearts is complete, you'll be able to do all kinds of things."

-axel 368/2 days

"You have lost sight of the light within the darkness. And it seems that you've forgotten that you forgot."

-axel Chain of memories

 

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[replika13 455]

kingdom hearts kinda is "light deep down the darkness.

its like sun. it is light but resides in darkness.

[mfampait 49]

and yet having wandered for years aqua still hasnt found it

[Keyblade King 12 486]

  On 12/24/2011 at 2:24 PM, 'mfampait' said:

and yet having wandered for years aqua still hasnt found it

 

Well technically that's unconfirmed. But besides that, Kingdom Hearts would be at the deepest point and the realm of darkness is probably just as large if not even bigger than the realm of light and that's huge, and it's not like she knows where she's going.

[keystrike 145]

  On 12/24/2011 at 5:48 AM, 'the ultimate 2' said:

ansem did said "the keyblade alone cannot seal the door to darkness" proves that is not kingdom hearts

 

"the keyblade alone cannot seal the door to darkness" because the dtd has to be sealed with both the keyblade of the realm of light and the realm of darkness.

 

  On 12/23/2011 at 11:55 PM, 'Keyblade King 12' said:

NO IT BLOODY WASN'T! THE DOOR WAS NOT Kingdom Hearts! WOULD YOU PEOPLE GET THIS INTO YOUR HEADS! IT'S BEEN HOW MANY YEARS OF US TELLING YOU 'NO' TO THIS IDEA AND YOU STILL THINK IT!

 

Sorry, about that. Lost my temper for a second. But, you are so messed up. One, the door to darkness is not Kingdom Hearts. It's the door to darkness, opened when all seven princesses of heart are gathered and the keyhole is opened. It is found at the End of the World, a special world that exists in darkness despite existing in the realm of light. The door to darkness opens the path to the realm of darkness, in which Kingdom Hearts lies. It came to be there after the realm of darkness was created.

The Light we saw in KH1, was a light shinning from Kingdom Hearts, once the doors were open, Kingdom Hearts was able to shine through. The door was not an artificial version of Kingdom Hearts. So far, there hasn't ever been an 'artificial' version. The versions in KH2 and BBS were both representations, as the true Kingdom Hearts lies dormant inside of the Realm of Darkness.

Light can shine through the doors to darkness, it just rarely happens because the realm of darkness should really only contain darkness. Kingdom Hearts provides the only light that has ever shone through the doors to darkness.

And I have no idea what the trinity in the Bible is, but the relationship between the DtD and DtL is, basically, one's a front door and one's a back door.

 

*must... resist... caps* alright. I feel completely the same way about telling you guys about how it is kingdom hearts. First of all I'll explain the trinity to avoid that "hey you just contradicted yourself argument" even though I completely agree that I will violate logic. The Trinity is The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit, and they are all God, but each of them are not eachother. This diagram should explain it, well, the relationship at least.

What I am saying is that the DTL, the DTD, and the actual moon floating above whatever are all like the father, son and holy spirit in the diagram while Kingdom Hearts in essence is God. I'd imagine you can agree with all I am saying at this point (not really much to dissagree with) except for that the DTL and DTD being two different doors. The Door to Darkness only lets darkness and beings of darkness pass, while the Door to Light only lets light, and beings of light pass. Nomura explained this in KH1's ultimania when explaining why Riku and the King didn't just walk right through to the realm of light when the door was open right there and referenced Ansem's computer in the End of the World (actually Hollow Bastion accessed by the World Terminus) as in game proof. It also just doesn't make sense for Sora to open the same door that he just sealed. And also, huh? Are we agreeing or disagreeing on kingdom hearts being artificial or not? You seem to say they were just representations of kingdom hearts (which I agree with) but you also say they weren't artificial. I can't find the interview right now, but I was almost positive it was said they were brought about artificially, both the kingdom hearts in one and two. I might have just made it up, but its so weird because I so vividly remember that interview. Anyways, I think we are just disagreeing on the definition of artificial. I'm saying artificial not in the sense that this isn't fake, but just that it was brought about by unnatural means. I consider the KIngdom Hearts that we have seen so far to just be hearts that as Saix said "we've together to make kingdom hearts" and by the time it has collected that many hearts it has assumed an existence as Kingdom Hearts (if that makes any sense). The Kingdom Hearts in Birth by Sleep was artificial as a complete and perfect assembly of all the world's hearts (special thanks to the x-blade). The Kingdom Hearts in kh1 is a bit more confusing. Just as Saix said, the heartless would gather hearts until the hearts made kingdom hearts. That Kingdom Hearts, woven from the hearts of the worlds taken by the heartless, lied at the center of The End of the World, the deep abyss, and took the form of the DTD. It just doesn't make sense for the light to be able to pass through the dtd which only lets darkness pass, and why Ansem would need to call to kingdom hearts through the dtd to the kingdom hearts in the realm of darkness if he has access to the realm of darkness at anytime in the first place. Then again, in com mickey said something about seeing the light far off in the darkness, so that brings up some more stuff (not quite in my favor). *looks up at wall of text* but I think this is enough for now.

[Keyblade King 12 486]

  On 12/26/2011 at 5:27 AM, 'keystrike' said:

"the keyblade alone cannot seal the door to darkness" because the dtd has to be sealed with both the keyblade of the realm of light and the realm of darkness.

 

 

 

*must... resist... caps* alright. I feel completely the same way about telling you guys about how it is kingdom hearts. First of all I'll explain the trinity to avoid that "hey you just contradicted yourself argument" even though I completely agree that I will violate logic. The Trinity is The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit, and they are all God, but each of them are not eachother. This diagram should explain it, well, the relationship at least.

What I am saying is that the DTL, the DTD, and the actual moon floating above whatever are all like the father, son and holy spirit in the diagram while Kingdom Hearts in essence is God. I'd imagine you can agree with all I am saying at this point (not really much to dissagree with) except for that the DTL and DTD being two different doors. The Door to Darkness only lets darkness and beings of darkness pass, while the Door to Light only lets light, and beings of light pass. Nomura explained this in KH1's ultimania when explaining why Riku and the King didn't just walk right through to the realm of light when the door was open right there and referenced Ansem's computer in the End of the World (actually Hollow Bastion accessed by the World Terminus) as in game proof. It also just doesn't make sense for Sora to open the same door that he just sealed. And also, huh? Are we agreeing or disagreeing on kingdom hearts being artificial or not? You seem to say they were just representations of kingdom hearts (which I agree with) but you also say they weren't artificial. I can't find the interview right now, but I was almost positive it was said they were brought about artificially, both the kingdom hearts in one and two. I might have just made it up, but its so weird because I so vividly remember that interview. Anyways, I think we are just disagreeing on the definition of artificial. I'm saying artificial not in the sense that this isn't fake, but just that it was brought about by unnatural means. I consider the KIngdom Hearts that we have seen so far to just be hearts that as Saix said "we've together to make kingdom hearts" and by the time it has collected that many hearts it has assumed an existence as Kingdom Hearts (if that makes any sense). The Kingdom Hearts in Birth by Sleep was artificial as a complete and perfect assembly of all the world's hearts (special thanks to the x-blade). The Kingdom Hearts in kh1 is a bit more confusing. Just as Saix said, the heartless would gather hearts until the hearts made kingdom hearts. That Kingdom Hearts, woven from the hearts of the worlds taken by the heartless, lied at the center of The End of the World, the deep abyss, and took the form of the DTD. It just doesn't make sense for the light to be able to pass through the dtd which only lets darkness pass, and why Ansem would need to call to kingdom hearts through the dtd to the kingdom hearts in the realm of darkness if he has access to the realm of darkness at anytime in the first place. Then again, in com mickey said something about seeing the light far off in the darkness, so that brings up some more stuff (not quite in my favor). *looks up at wall of text* but I think this is enough for now.

 

Hm, okay. Beginning to understand you a bit better now. But you're still pretty confused. There has never been any confirmation that Kingdom Hearts took the form of the DtD. However, it has been confirmed that the DtD is a real thing in the Kingdom Hearts universe, as is the DtL. But the DtD and the DtL are two completely different things. For example, it's unclear if the DtL has a physical presence. But the two are not the same thing in the sense that you're talking about.

But, we are in agreement about the artificial kingdom hearts, except there wasn't one in the original game. At least I don't think so.

Look I don't want to make an argument out of this, especially at this time of the year. So let's just let this end until a complete confirmation is found.

[Sora's Baby 729]

  On 12/26/2011 at 3:47 PM, 'Keyblade King 12' said:

Hm, okay. Beginning to understand you a bit better now. But you're still pretty confused. There has never been any confirmation that Kingdom Hearts took the form of the DtD. However, it has been confirmed that the DtD is a real thing in the Kingdom Hearts universe, as is the DtL. But the DtD and the DtL are two completely different things. For example, it's unclear if the DtL has a physical presence. But the two are not the same thing in the sense that you're talking about.

But, we are in agreement about the artificial kingdom hearts, except there wasn't one in the original game. At least I don't think so.

Look I don't want to make an argument out of this, especially at this time of the year. So let's just let this end until a complete confirmation is found.

 

There's never going to be one unless KH3 is not the last game. Witch I think it will be so don't worry.