ViViNoctis 0 Posted December 20, 2011 So after, watching the new trailer I've come up with some ideas,Here they are. -Twewy Characters (Shiki,Neku,Beat,Rhyme,Joshua) am taking a guess that either the first part of the game will have them in it and be like one whole section thingy i dunno something like that. -The appearance of Lea (Axel) my idea is that, Considering how Dream Drop Distance is mostly about getting new information of Master Xehanort and The Mark of mastery exam Maybe i dunno Axel and the other organization members have came back. Even Xion maybe had came back considering what Xemnas had said "Even within a heartless doll a heart resides" -For the secret ending probably a CGI Fight or some very very interesting cut scene that would lead to KH3 Confirmed title (What ever it would be) -We might get a little teaser for BBS 2 or instead of that we could see ventus and aqua again -Twewy teaser may be there also probably near the release of the game Dream drop distance am saying and probably for the scenario where Neku and his group are in Trasverse town maybe they died again or something OR Maybe they didn't actually return to from the underground -Now for Vanitas and Young Xehanort i have NO Idea whats with that but probably its something like oh Vanitas came back and Young Xehanort is in the dream world also with Vanitas he probably brought Vanitas back or something and the older Xehanort/Terra we saw in the Zero point trailer was him later on. -With the CGI Scene of Mickey,Riku,and sora fighting Xehanort probably what happens is that they release Xehanort from Terra's body and they his heart comes back to it, we find Ventus heart blah blah cause Aqua nd mickey rescued it something like that also etc. - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rikunobodyxiii 700 Posted December 20, 2011 Pretty good theories. -Now for Vanitas and Young Xehanort i have NO Idea whats with that but probably its something like oh Vanitas came back and Young Xehanort is in the dream world also with Vanitas he probably brought Vanitas back or something and the older Xehanort/Terra we saw in the Zero point trailer was him later on. Another angle to look at this is that Vanitas is the closest thing to a Dark Sora, with a Young Xehanort having the connection and look of Riku. When you saw Vanitas and Young MX talking side by side, I think we are looking at what Sora and Riku are seeing in. Sora has a confrontation with Young Xehanort and Riku sees Vanitas. If so, Sora and Riku might assume that the people they are fighting is some sort of taken over version of each other. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AJTREY 70 Posted December 20, 2011 So after, watching the new trailer I've come up with some ideas,Here they are. -The appearance of Lea (Axel) my idea is that, Considering how Dream Drop Distance is mostly about getting new information of Master Xehanort and The Mark of mastery exam Maybe i dunno Axel and the other organization members have came back. Even Xion maybe had came back considering what Xemnas had said "Even within a heartless doll a heart resides" -With the CGI Scene of Mickey,Riku,and sora fighting Xehanort probably what happens is that they release Xehanort from Terra's body and they his heart comes back to it, we find Ventus heart blah blah cause Aqua nd mickey rescued it something like that also etc. - I disagree on both counts. On the first count, I disagree on the idea of all of the organization members returning because, if you think about it, numbers 9-12 were unknown to us. We don't know anything about their past lives, and it would take a lot for Square to come up with new characters and backgrounds for each. In addition, I do not believe that Xion will return solely on the fact that she was a Replika, created for one purpose. It is even stated that when she was defeated by Roxas she faded away to join again with Sora.On the second count, I doubt that they will release Terra first from his torment. That would make absolutely no sense whatsoever. How could they do a Kingdom Hearts III if the ultimate enemy is gone, without a corporial body to support himself. Plus there is something that does not make sense to me. Why is it, if the two sides of Xehanort, the Heartless and Nobody, have been vanquished, then why is it that they both appear in the Jump Festa Trailer? On another matter, perhaps Master Yen Sid's words in the Secret Ending of Re: Coded can provide some insight to why Vanitas still exists: "Tell me, would a single one of you suffice if what you face is not a single one of him." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
deathrebirthsenshi 279 Posted December 20, 2011 Pretty good theories. Another angle to look at this is that Vanitas is the closest thing to a Dark Sora, with a Young Xehanort having the connection and look of Riku. When you saw Vanitas and Young MX talking side by side, I think we are looking at what Sora and Riku are seeing in. Sora has a confrontation with Young Xehanort and Riku sees Vanitas. If so, Sora and Riku might assume that the people they are fighting is some sort of taken over version of each other. Ooh I like that! There was something off about that cutscene (other than the fact that young Xehanort was strangely skinny and small compared to Vanitas, who's built more like Riku). I'm still trying to sort out what in the cutscene was supposed to be the past, the present, real, or in the dream world. I disagree on both counts. On the first count, I disagree on the idea of all of the organization members returning because, if you think about it, numbers 9-12 were unknown to us. We don't know anything about their past lives, and it would take a lot for Square to come up with new characters and backgrounds for each. In addition, I do not believe that Xion will return solely on the fact that she was a Replika, created for one purpose. It is even stated that when she was defeated by Roxas she faded away to join again with Sora. On the second count, I doubt that they will release Terra first from his torment. That would make absolutely no sense whatsoever. How could they do a Kingdom Hearts III if the ultimate enemy is gone, without a corporial body to support himself. Plus there is something that does not make sense to me. Why is it, if the two sides of Xehanort, the Heartless and Nobody, have been vanquished, then why is it that they both appear in the Jump Festa Trailer? On another matter, perhaps Master Yen Sid's words in the Secret Ending of Re: Coded can provide some insight to why Vanitas still exists: "Tell me, would a single one of you suffice if what you face is not a single one of him." As for the Terra release thing, while I think it's unlikely that Terra will be saved in this game, I feel that teh appearance of Young Xehanort hints at the fact that we will probably be facing an original Xehanort, not a Terra-possessed Xehanort in the next game. It is possible that through these adventures in the realm of sleep, he finds a way to restore himself without using Terra.And as far as corpreal forms go, Namine was apparently born without a body, and so was Vanitas, and yet they're here; bodies aren't exactly all that important or hard to come by in the scheme of things; Xehanort could find a way to restore himself young again without possessing anyone's body. Pretty good theories. Another angle to look at this is that Vanitas is the closest thing to a Dark Sora, with a Young Xehanort having the connection and look of Riku. When you saw Vanitas and Young MX talking side by side, I think we are looking at what Sora and Riku are seeing in. Sora has a confrontation with Young Xehanort and Riku sees Vanitas. If so, Sora and Riku might assume that the people they are fighting is some sort of taken over version of each other. Wait...if that's true, then what is the heart that Riku's harboring...? Possibly Terra? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ssceles 134 Posted December 20, 2011 I have a wild assumption to throw in... Maybe the young!MX we see is actually another Xion-like amalgamation, only, instead of trying to make a Sora, they're making a Xehanort from whatever leftover parts they can find - this includes the parts inside of Riku (Xehanort's Heartless) and Sora (Vanitas, and you disagree here if you like - but I also see MX in Braig and even DiZ). They certainly have the power/technology to make a body just for Xehanort now, but it takes some solid willpower and control over a form to change how it appears (Xion changing form, Riku looking more like Ansem, etc). The base for Xehanort may have been Riku/Repliku, and he'll happily take on that disguise to throw Sora and Mickey off and make them think Riku is working for him. If there's any remaining Riku-replica will power left in that form, it may be his inevitable undoing, or, Repliku -could- be willingly working for him. Basically... my wild assumption here is... the Repliku Riku met = y!MX Sora sees? I'm left wondering how/why/where Vanitas appeared/came from, as he was just suddenly next to y!MX. Summoned to him (out from inside of Sora), like in the secret ending of KH2/ending of Birth by Sleep? Also... my last thoughts are on the full cg pre-rendered scenes. They don't seem quite... polished/done. The shading for half of them just seems... off/unfinished. Anyone else feel that way? Some scenes are just fine, others are... strange. Kairi's face bothers me, for example. other than the fact that young Xehanort was strangely skinny and small compared to Vanitas, who's built more like Riku). Yeah, I noticed how awkward that looked, too. But then I paused just before that to compare the height of Sora (who really looks like his KH1 self in new clothes) to the height of y!MX, then tried to picture an imaginary Vanitas next to him, and realized that Vanitas is much closer in build to Sora's KH2 self. Keeping that in mind... this makes y!MX more... KH1 age, less KH2 age? So he's possibly the same age as Vanitas/Ventus/KH2 Sora rather than being the more expected Terra age that we've grown used to because of his possession of him. So... 15-16 versus 17-18? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rikunobodyxiii 700 Posted December 21, 2011 Wait...if that's true, then what is the heart that Riku's harboring...? Possibly Terra? Possibly. I want to say Nomura said something on that, but I don't remember where. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
deathrebirthsenshi 279 Posted December 24, 2011 Possibly. I want to say Nomura said something on that, but I don't remember where. I think Nomura gave a classic Nomura hint for that...actually, now that I think about it, I'm not sure. I think it was in an interview and that Nomura kind of dodged the question even moreso than usual. ie, he hinted that it was possible that what was left of Ven went inside Sora, but...I'm not sure. Now I have to go find this interview lol Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Izzo 74 Posted December 25, 2011 the xion idea is interesting, however there is two ways to look at that statement. a "heartless" doll, as in the heartless. or a doll that lacks a hearts. most likely the matter, seeing as almost everyone referred to xion as doll, and well, she kinda has no heart. I agree with you though, i believe that xion will be revieled to sora in some form. whether that is xion coming back or just a memory or somehting. xion is definitely NOT done, as shown by both the pre-rendered part of the trailer, as well as the secret ending of re:coded. deal with it nerds. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites