What Came First, the Chicken or the Egg?

[DragonMaster 1,166]

  On 12/3/2011 at 6:12 AM, 'echo' said:

Well.... if you follow the rules of evolution... id say the egg

 

Yes.

 

The first chicken was most probably hatched from the egg of a similar creature. However, due to a mutation, it was a chicken that hatched. This would mean that the chicken egg, from which the first chicken hatched, would have come first. Of course it could be argued that since the chicken hatched from the egg of another creature, it would be the chicken that came first. But then it would also be argued that since the chicken hatched from that egg, it was a chicken egg, no matter the creature that laid it.

 

So, really, it could go either way. Personally, I think that the egg came first.

[Grimmjow 839]

  On 12/3/2011 at 7:02 PM, 'DragonMaster' said:

Yes.

 

The first chicken was most probably hatched from the egg of a similar creature. However, due to a mutation, it was a chicken that hatched. This would mean that the chicken egg, from which the first chicken hatched, would have come first. Of course it could be argued that since the chicken hatched from the egg of another creature, it would be the chicken that came first. But then it would also be argued that since the chicken hatched from that egg, it was a chicken egg, no matter the creature that laid it.

 

So, really, it could go either way. Personally, I think that the egg came first.

 

What I wrote exactly with exception of the second to the last sentence. It can't be other way around. The egg was there first. The similar animal laid it but inside of it was a chicken. So there was the egg before the chicken. The only way the chicken could be first is when a similar animal would've evolved to the chicken in his lifetime which is impossible.

[Chaosx 113]

I voted for both.

[Matthew 74]

  On 12/3/2011 at 12:29 PM, 'Kinode' said:

Depends on who was enjoying it the most

Another animal that'd soon evolve into the chicken?

Pointless argument. There were fish. They needed to lay their eggs and reproduce, as well as finding food. But they couldn't because it was hard to take care of their eggs underwater. So they evolved into amphibians(Correct me if I'm wrong on the name, I'm not sure what it is in English) So the amphibians eventually evolved and became birds(to sum it all up, of course being unspecific.), and one of those bird evolutions eventually became a chicken.

So If you think logically, the first chicken was born from an egg of a pre evolution of the chicken. Therefore, the egg came first.

 

ALRIGHT FINE! SOLANTAP,it all depends on either if you think there was an intelligent creator e.i god or perhaps another being from another religion,OR,if you just think humans and all living things came from a pile of primonial soup! Which sounds really stupid,as is saying that we got this kinda dinosaur from THIS kinda dinosaur,when yet the evidence shows that this kinda dinosaur has ALWAYS been this kinda dinosaur.Same with all beings.BUT,sadly,humans are stubborn and love to be right! But my point is,when you ask,"Which came first,the chicken or the egg?",your asking,"Big Bane,or God?"!

 

  On 12/3/2011 at 5:07 PM, 'SoraWillPrevail' said:

We all are mutants my friend. We mutate from our former generation. Even your and I are not a perfect fusion of the mothers egg and the fathers sperm cell. With every reproduction animals change due to different conditions in the environment and gene-mutations. That's why over millions of years a part of evolving reptiles changed into birds. And the animal who laid, protected and warmed the egg was a a bird which was one evolutionary stage back from that animal we call a chicken.

 

That's like a highly evolved homo erectus (an homo erectus who over many generations became so evolved that it was almost a homo sapiens) became pregnant and due to environmental conditions and gene mutation it gave birth to the very first homo sapiens.

 

Simple biology.

 

Ok I REALLY HATE to start a religion vs Big Bane argument,but... I can't help it with the knowlege I have just gained from the video series my class is watching,"Demolishing Strongholds"! It comes down to one big important FACTOR! EVIDENCE! Do we have evidence? SOME,but not pointing towards evolution! The fossils we dis-covered say that bird have always been birds dinosaurs were always dinosaurs,and chickens were always chickens! I dunno how specific it gets but I would guess to a specific species of a type of animal! I dunno where the argument is! The parts where a certain species of dinosaur split of into different other kinds,well THOSE fossils aren't there,their not dis-covered!

[Grimmjow 839]

  On 12/3/2011 at 8:48 PM, 'Matthew' said:

ALRIGHT FINE! SOLANTAP,it all depends on either if you think there was an intelligent creator e.i god or perhaps another being from another religion,OR,if you just think humans and all living things came from a pile of primonial soup! Which sounds really stupid,as is saying that we got this kinda dinosaur from THIS kinda dinosaur,when yet the evidence shows that this kinda dinosaur has ALWAYS been this kinda dinosaur.Same with all beings.BUT,sadly,humans are stubborn and love to be right! But my point is,when you ask,"Which came first,the chicken or the egg?",your asking,"Big Bane,or God?"!

 

I assume you mean "Big Bang" and not a giant version of the villian who broke Batman's back.

 

Other then that at least what you call "really stupid" has solid evidence. Also no holy book ever spoke about dinosaurs even though there are fossils proving their existence.

 

  On 12/3/2011 at 8:56 PM, 'Matthew' said:

Ok I REALLY HATE to start a religion vs Big Bane argument,but... I can't help it with the knowlege I have just gained from the video series my class is watching,"Demolishing Strongholds"! It comes down to one big important FACTOR! EVIDENCE! Do we have evidence? SOME,but not pointing towards evolution! The fossils we dis-covered say that bird have always been birds dinosaurs were always dinosaurs,and chickens were always chickens! I dunno how specific it gets but I would guess to a specific species of a type of animal! I dunno where the argument is! The parts where a certain species of dinosaur split of into different other kinds,well THOSE fossils aren't there,their not dis-covered!

 

I am sorry but for me you are a stupid creationist who doesn't want to accept clear evidence. There is clear evidence that evolution is a real thing. It is fact.

There is evidence that species evolved into other ones and evolved. The chicken wasn't always chicken. There were other birds before the chicken and out of them the chicken evolved. There are even fossils of less evolved birds. And there are skeletons of homo erecti the primates from which the human arises. You even have proof on your own body. There is still a degraded bone over your ass which earlier was for the tail of apes.

[Kinode 3,056]

  On 12/3/2011 at 9:06 PM, 'SoraWillPrevail' said:

There is still a degraded bone over your ass which earlier was for the tail of apes.

 

I lol'd and checked.

It's true.

Seriously, That's why religion bothers me, there's concrete proof against some of it.

[Grimmjow 839]

  On 12/3/2011 at 9:11 PM, 'Kinode' said:

I lol'd and checked.

It's true.

Seriously, That's why religion bothers me, there's concrete proof against some of it.

 

The proof is absolute. There can't be a discussion about clear and absolute facts. Evolution is fact. Creationism is NOT! The church tried to silence and execute scientist for centuries because it could lower their credibility. And it sickens me that even now they still manage to deceive some people like him. Galileo had to withdraw his theories (which were proven) about our planet system because the catholic church would kill him if he wouldn't because the bible states that the earth is the center of the universe and all other planets orbit around it which clearly is false!

[Kinode 3,056]

  On 12/3/2011 at 9:18 PM, 'SoraWillPrevail' said:

The proof is absolute. There can't be a discussion about clear and absolute facts. Evolution is fact. Creationism is NOT! The church tried to silence and execute scientist for centuries because it could lower their credibility. And it sickens me that even now they still manage to deceive some people like him. Galileo had to withdraw his theories (which were proven) about our planet system because the catholic church would kill him if he wouldn't because the bible states that the earth is the center of the universe and all other planets orbit around it which clearly is false!

 

Let's not bash religion though. If someone wants to believe in it, then so be it. I guess it's a "respect me and I respect you" thing.

[Grimmjow 839]

  On 12/3/2011 at 9:20 PM, 'Kinode' said:

Let's not bash religion though. If someone wants to believe in it, then so be it. I guess it's a "respect me and I respect you" thing.

 

They can believe in religion. If they believe in a creator it isn't even wrong since the opposite wasn't proven yet and it would make scientific sense (a creator not in the sense of the 3 big religions).

But they should NOT suppress and belittle science and obvious facts. That drives me crazy. Ignorance drives me crazy.

I do not respect the 3 big religions but I tolerate them.

[Matthew 74]

  On 12/3/2011 at 9:06 PM, 'SoraWillPrevail' said:

I am sorry but for me you are a stupid creationist who doesn't want to accept clear evidence. There is clear evidence that evolution is a real thing. It is fact.

There is evidence that species evolved into other ones and evolved. The chicken wasn't always chicken. There were other birds before the chicken and out of them the chicken evolved. There are even fossils of less evolved birds. And there are skeletons of homo erecti the primates from which the human arises. You even have proof on your own body. There is still a degraded bone over your ass which earlier was for the tail of apes.

 

Ha well,as I said,it all comes down to proof if animals turned into other different animals over the course of time! Just because we have a tail bone doesn't mean we were ape men! That just doesn't qualify for concrete evidence! The fossils we are missing are the ones that PROVE for SURE,that this kind of bird evolved into THESE types of animals! But I don't expect you to understand,humans like us just cannot STAND to be wrong!

[JesusFreak 41]

  On 12/3/2011 at 9:26 PM, 'SoraWillPrevail' said:

They can believe in religion. If they believe in a creator it isn't even wrong since the opposite wasn't proven yet and it would make scientific sense (a creator not in the sense of the 3 big religions).

But they should NOT suppress and belittle science and obvious facts. That drives me crazy. Ignorance drives me crazy.

I do not respect the 3 big religions but I tolerate them.

 

One, not all Christians disagree with science. I'm a christian and I do believe most of the facts that have been found from science. No I do not entirely agree with evolution but that's my decision. Just like it's your decision to agree with it and to "not respect" religions.

 

Two, this is a thread in the random section. Why take it so seriously? Who cares if some one thinks the chicken came first because they are a christian and do not believe in evolution?

 

Kay, I'm done now.

 

And in my opinion the chicken came first.

[Grimmjow 839]

  On 12/3/2011 at 11:11 PM, 'Matthew' said:

Ha well,as I said,it all comes down to proof if animals turned into other different animals over the course of time! Just because we have a tail bone doesn't mean we were ape men! That just doesn't qualify for concrete evidence! The fossils we are missing are the ones that PROVE for SURE,that this kind of bird evolved into THESE types of animals! But I don't expect you to understand,humans like us just cannot STAND to be wrong!

 

There are fossils of reptiles skeletons of chickens and enough fossils of animals in between in the process of evolving. So either you didn't know about this or you are lying to not accept that you are wrong. And the tail bone: it is an evidence. And if you think about the fact that every part of animal bodies have a purpose it also is a proof. Humans don't develop a little degraded tail bone because they feel like it.

And there are absolute proof that animals are evolved versions of others. It was proven by biologists because skeletons have strong similarities which aren't a coincidence.

 

The structure of the foot bones of a bird are the same as the ones of reptiles. The proportions changed a little bit after millions years of evolution.

Chickens even have the regressed version of the claw at their heel which reptiles and dinosaurs have. So all of these things are facts and PROOF for the evolution.

It is fact whether you like it or not. And there is not a single proof for the theory of creation.

 

So your "arguments" are pretty much f**cked.

 

  On 12/3/2011 at 11:31 PM, 'JesusFreak' said:

No I do not entirely agree with evolution but that's my decision. Just like it's your decision to agree with it and to "not respect" religions.

 

You can only disagree with opinions. Like my opinion to not respect religions. You can agree or disagree with that. But you can not disagree with facts. If you are in front of a tree and I say "Hey there is a tree in front of you" you can't say "I disagree". Well you can but that would be completely stupid, ignorant and illogical. Evolution is a fact... if you can't accept that it is true than you are wrong and ignorant.

[Ivan 969]

 

Okay, guys, this is the random section. Are we seriously being complete idiots by having the whole "religion vs science" argument? Like that's going to go anywhere. Because of the silly argument in a silly thread it's being closed silly....ly.

 

 

If you believe in evolution, that's fine! If you believe in religion, oh what do you know? THAT'S FINE TOO! On this site we can completely be fine with other people's opinions without arguing against them and trying to change all of it!

 

Oh wait...

 

 

Apparently we can't...

 

I mean, why can't we? Aren't we all mature enough to know everybody's entitled to their own opinion? Don't we all know that it's a waste of time to have this debate against people we'll never meet irl? No? Just me?

 

 

But seriously guys. This kind of argument doesn't belong on kh13. It's almost as bad as the abortion thread. We all know what a train wreck that was.

 

So yeah, closed.

 

[Koko 3,944]

Plus if your only argument is something like 'GOD CREATED EVERYTHING SO THE CHICKEN CAME FIRST', then you need a slap in the face because not everyone believes in God and therefor makes your argument invalid. I'm sorry if that's disrespectful, but really, you can't use religion and your beliefs for every argument because not everyone believes in them.

As well if you completely disrespect religious people and think they're wrong solely because they believe in a higher power. Or because there's no concrete proof.

Back up your answers with something besides religion and insulting others.