The Unpopular Opinions Thread

[Geralt 4,874]

Though I'd drop in and let you know, Mozart wrote a song called Lick My Ass. So if you want to redefine immaturity in old music, there's that to think about.

A literal translation of the song's title and lyrics into English would be "Lick me in the arse". A more idiomatic translation would be British "Kiss my arse!" or American "Kiss my ass!" 

 

Nothing wrong with that

[Think Pink 1,967]

this isn't really an opinion more of a statement

 

idk why but I honestly don't pay attention to who is posting things 99% of the time. unless someone says something really stupid or I need to hide the post or something, I don't really pay any attention to who posts what.  

 

okay now here's an opinion

 

I know everyone hates them but I really like the Twilight saga. Yeah they're not top notch quality nobel-prize winning books, but I still like to read them. They're fun to read and I adore Alice. 

[Ghost 1,857]

I ship Larxene and Axel and I think it's one of the best pairings ever.

[Koko 3,944]

"Even if they're different, they can still be equal." Alright.Sooo, saying that I don't believe that our respective genders are equal, that makes me sexist?Alright.After saying that I do not consider my gender any better than yours, I still came off as sexist?Alright.IF THEY ARE DIFFERENT FROM ME, WOULDN'T THAT MEAN THEY ARE NOT EQUAL TO ME? You make no sense. Only way male's and female's are equal are in the sense that we are both human beings. It's not like I see girls not as good as I am just because they are girls.

You are literally saying you're a sexist asshole????

UHHhHH do you not know the meaning of equality???

theres a difference between being the same and being equal

being equal does not refer to having the same characteristics

and damn straight you sound as sexist

theyre different from you, they are not the same as you, but they are a person and therefore equal to you in terms of respect and treatment and value as a person

so yeah, saying they're not equal makes you sound sexist as hell

 

 

Well, really we're different in both ways. Men and women have some different brain chemistry. That could have us be different in society, at least. We are not equal naturally possibly because of this. I don't just mean by looks, or different man and women "Features" that make us differ from eachother.I'm not sure what Koko means by equal anymore. If ze means that both genders should be treated equally, then I agree but it's just not the way of things because we are not equal to eachother. Guy's generally treat women with more respect than they do guys, like holding the door open more and all those things that "Gentlemans" do. I don't believe this is a bad thing, or that women should treat us with more respect in that way. I do those things out of respect for women, it's not a thing that I feel obligated to do. Guys do this because they are the more physically able (Most of the time) out of the two genders. (Human speaking). In the old days, Men always were the ones who fought in wars while woman stayed and took care of there loved ones. I think both of those are great responsibilities and are great in their own ways.So... No, I don't think we're equal, but I think that is a good thing. If in a relationship, your partner was exactly like you were, wouldn't that be boring? I like seeing what my girlfriend's opinion is on certain things, and how it differs from my own opinion.This was really long.

 

Again you are literally saying that no one deserves to be treated equal to you because they're different

that is literally what you are saying

you are excusing homophobia, racism, trans*phobia, ableism, classism, sexism just because people are different and it's the way things are because according to you, our differences make it okay to treat people different than you lesser??? that is what im getting from your hold argument

also the guys are more physically able thing is a load of crap, especially in MODERN society, and you honestly can't say most of the time anymore like you could back in the day because in this point in time, both men and women and nonbinaries are strong and have the potential to do so

Also, um yeah, you mean in the old days where woman were so bluntly oppressed and told to stay in their place and weren't allowed to do ANYTHING

of course men went and fought, women werent allowed to. there were plenty of great women warriors in the past, there was a firetrucking group of women pilots that fought for the soviet union, so give me this whole "men go to war, women stay at home" stuff because that was only because men in america didnt want to give women rights or any place in society other than the caretaker (which is important, but its not the only role a woman should have)

and again, you're saying you're sexist and that's okay???

just because your girlfriend has a different opinion than you means shes unequal to you and you think she is not on the same level of a human than you. my girlfriend has different opinions and views and personality, but i think of her as equal to me in every single way and i respect her as my equal. if you dont do that to your own, im surprised you're in a relationship tbh

either you are a really internalized sexist asshole or you dont know the usage of the word equal in this context because no matter what you have said, you come off as straight up sexist.

 

I didn't mean physically. That's, like you said, an obvious non equality between the two genders. I do not mean equal by looks regarding your statement about "That's like saying a black person cannot be truly equal".We are different in the sense of planning, organization, impulse control, and learning from mistakes mainly due to women have a much higher level of activity in the prefrontal cortex.This can tie into social equality and how we differ from eachother in the general talk of society. That's biology related though...Alright, as for both to be treated equally in terms of social aspects.I agree for the most part putting it like that. Like, the fact that men generally get paid more in starting wages. I don't agree with this. I believe that men and woman should have the same amount of privileges in terms of things like that.However, person to person, I think that a woman being treated the same way as a man from a man's point of view wouldn't necessarily be good for modern civilization. (I'm not firetrucking sexist so please do not take it that way)Women generally have more protection laws for them. Like say for instance, if a man hits a woman the charges are far worse than if he hits a man, because of the physical differences between them. In Koko's way of thinking, would this law on abuse towards women not exist? If it would then it would go against what ze's saying. If ze wants women to be treated like men... Be equal.It would be horrible for that reason alone. For men and women to have the same amount of rights, yeah that's awesome, but for the two genders to be totally treated equally in terms of everything else... I don't think it would work out. Not because I do not want them to be, but because of past references from civilization.What is the talk about male privalage... Sure maybe legally, or whatever but you know how easy women can manipulate men just because they are women? A lot of women today use there gender as a tool, just to get what they want. (Saying the truth doesn't make me sexist)I'm done with all this though

 

Edit; also thanks for totally disrespecting my gender identity after someone corrected you. makes you look so much better.

 

Women have more protection laws against them because MEN ARE VIOLENT AGAINST WOMEN DUE TO YEARS OF OPPRESSION AND INEQUALITY AND POWER. Women have more protection because of the various acts of violence committed towards them because they are women. In my way of thinking, the law regarding abuse would protect EVERYONE on the same level because harming another human being is WRONG. I want women to be treated like people. Though it would hurt to have men treated like women so you guys could see the bullshit women suffer. And do you know how scary it is to be a woman in society? Or hell, just be a DFAB in society? It's scary as hell. So don't talk to me about petty manipulation when women, both trans* and cis, as well as DFABs literally live in fear of abuse. And how dare women use their gender as a tool! It's not like men haven't used their gender to say they're better than women since the dawn of time! Oh wait, yes they have. 

That was the past. We move from the past. We modernize and change and grow. If you stick in the past you go nowhere in life and you stay with oppressive ideals placed in society due to white heterosexual cismale supremacists. 

So yeah, I'm done with this, you have ultimately proved that you are sexist and live in the 1800s. 

Edited June 2, 2013 by Koko

[Shana09 5,769]

In my way of thinking, the law regarding abuse would protect EVERYONE on the same level because harming another human being is WRONG.

 

I agree with everything you said and this especially.

I really hate it when people attack a woman and a man, and I hate it MORE when the woman attacks a man but if the man retaliates a little they are found guilty just for hitting a girl and everyones like "OMG HOW DARE HE HIT THAT GIRL WHEN SHE IS BEATING THE SHET OUT OF HER". Protection rules I know, but that is pretty aggravating, coming from a girl too who has seen so many cases like this. That's why I don't care if someone is a male or a female, if I ever do get attacked and get defensive, why does the person's sex really matter if that person is guilty or not, and not their actions itself?

Edited June 2, 2013 by Shana09

[Demyx. 10,064]

I didn't mean physically. That's, like you said, an obvious non equality between the two genders. I do not mean equal by looks regarding your statement about "That's like saying a black person cannot be truly equal".We are different in the sense of planning, organization, impulse control, and learning from mistakes mainly due to women have a much higher level of activity in the prefrontal cortex.This can tie into social equality and how we differ from eachother in the general talk of society. That's biology related though...Alright, as for both to be treated equally in terms of social aspects.I agree for the most part putting it like that. Like, the fact that men generally get paid more in starting wages. I don't agree with this. I believe that men and woman should have the same amount of privileges in terms of things like that.However, person to person, I think that a woman being treated the same way as a man from a man's point of view wouldn't necessarily be good for modern civilization. (I'm not firetrucking sexist so please do not take it that way)Women generally have more protection laws for them. Like say for instance, if a man hits a woman the charges are far worse than if he hits a man, because of the physical differences between them. In Koko's way of thinking, would this law on abuse towards women not exist? If it would then it would go against what she's saying. If she wants women to be treated like men... Be equal.It would be horrible for that reason alone. For men and women to have the same amount of rights, yeah that's awesome, but for the two genders to be totally treated equally in terms of everything else... I don't think it would work out. Not because I do not want them to be, but because of past references from civilization.What is the talk about male privalage... Sure maybe legally, or whatever but you know how easy women can manipulate men just because they are women? A lot of women today use there gender as a tool, just to get what they want. (Saying the truth doesn't make me sexist)I'm done with all this though.

It's no use trying to explain that you aren't sexist. Those 2 are going to think it regardless.

Edited June 2, 2013 by Megaman X

[Shana09 5,769]

It's no use trying to explain that you aren't sexiest. Those 2 are going to think it regardless.

 

xaon xaon your typo

 

Okay now for another opinion to leave this post as it is >>

I really hate how schools these days deal with suspension and bullying, especially with the recent news of Kid A protecting Kid B from getting stabbed by Kid C by attacking him, so they suspend Kid A.

Edited June 2, 2013 by Shana09

[Demyx. 10,064]

xaon xaon your typo

Hahaha oooops.

[JJForever 75]

You are literally saying you're a sexist asshole????UHHhHH do you not know the meaning of equality???theres a difference between being the same and being equalbeing equal does not refer to having the same characteristicsand damn straight you sound as sexisttheyre different from you, they are not the same as you, but they are a person and therefore equal to you in terms of respect and treatment and value as a personso yeah, saying they're not equal makes you sound sexist as hellAgain you are literally saying that no one deserves to be treated equal to you because they're differentthat is literally what you are sayingyou are excusing homophobia, racism, trans*phobia, ableism, classism, sexism just because people are different and it's the way things are because according to you, our differences make it okay to treat people different than you lesser??? that is what im getting from your hold argumentalso the guys are more physically able thing is a load of crap, especially in MODERN society, and you honestly can't say most of the time anymore like you could back in the day because in this point in time, both men and women and nonbinaries are strong and have the potential to do soAlso, um yeah, you mean in the old days where woman were so bluntly oppressed and told to stay in their place and weren't allowed to do ANYTHINGof course men went and fought, women werent allowed to. there were plenty of great women warriors in the past, there was a firetrucking group of women pilots that fought for the soviet union, so give me this whole "men go to war, women stay at home" stuff because that was only because men in america didnt want to give women rights or any place in society other than the caretaker (which is important, but its not the only role a woman should have)and again, you're saying you're sexist and that's okay???just because your girlfriend has a different opinion than you means shes unequal to you and you think she is not on the same level of a human than you. my girlfriend has different opinions and views and personality, but i think of her as equal to me in every single way and i respect her as my equal. if you dont do that to your own, im surprised you're in a relationship tbheither you are a really internalized sexist asshole or you dont know the usage of the word equal in this context because no matter what you have said, you come off as straight up sexist.Women have more protection laws against them because MEN ARE VIOLENT AGAINST WOMEN DUE TO YEARS OF OPPRESSION AND INEQUALITY AND POWER. Women have more protection because of the various acts of violence committed towards them because they are women. In my way of thinking, the law regarding abuse would protect EVERYONE on the same level because harming another human being is WRONG. I want women to be treated like people. Though it would hurt to have men treated like women so you guys could see the bullshit women suffer. And do you know how scary it is to be a woman in society? Or hell, just be a DFAB in society? It's scary as hell. So don't talk to me about petty manipulation when women, both trans* and cis, as well as DFABs literally live in fear of abuse. And how dare women use their gender as a tool! It's not like men haven't used their gender to say they're better than women since the dawn of time! Oh wait, yes they have. That was the past. We move from the past. We modernize and change and grow. If you stick in the past you go nowhere in life and you stay with oppressive ideals placed in society due to white heterosexual cismale supremacists. So yeah, I'm done with this, you have ultimately proved that you are sexist and live in the 1800s.

I'm not attempting to come off as being sexist, racist, or any or form of that shit. I'm firetrucking Mexican for christ's sake.I told you already I don't mean this in an offensive way and my opinion is just as good as yours. I already tried to nicely state my opinions on what you said. You are so firetrucking ignorant to the society we live in today it's not even funny. Not everyone lives in this fairy tale land where everyone should be treated "Equally" whatever the firetruck your definition of that is. Look at the past history of the world and even the current state of things and you should know, that your way of thinking unfortunately is so invalid and far sketched that it's literally implying that humans should be more than what we are. Look at what we've done in the past!Do you honestly think that we will ever change? Just how have we grown from past experiences? Sure, solve one problem, 100 more pop up THAT WE CAUSE. We have had THOUSANDS of years to get it right, and sorry to break it to you BUT WE NEVER WILL.The world will get worse and worse until it firetrucking crumbles under our feet. Men and women being treated equally in today society is THE LEAST of our problems. "Men are abusive towards women" yes, I am aware but woman can be just as abusive towards men as we can be towards them. Women are just as good off in this world as we are. WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT? You have every right to have a wonderful life with a wonderful family and live peacefully. What more... Do you want. It's scary to be a woman in modern society. Look, i'm sure it is but that will never change. If anything in future society it will be worse. Your coming off like women are feeble creatures who can't defend themselves. That's just plain bullshit. For everyone to be treated equally is not realistic for us. We can implement any laws we want, there will always be people who want to hurt/abuse women. THE BULLSHIT WOMEN SUFFER? I'm a guy and I gaurenteee I have had a far worse expierence in my life than you have. Take a walk in my shoes. Some women have bad lives because they have bad lives not nesessarily because they are women. Some guys have bad lives because they have bad lives, not because they are guys. Wow, that's really what I meant is that I am on a higher level of human than my girlfriend because we don't always share the same opinions. Thanks for catching that. I realize now that ANYTHING I say about not even having the EXACT same opinion as a woman AUTOMATICALLY makes me sexist in your eyes.Your the sexist one. Just because I'd rather do things like hold doors open, and be what we call a "Gentleman" to women, to you AUTOMATICALLY make's me seem like I do it because they are lesser than me, that they don't have as much meaning as I do. Alright, yeah that's EXACTLY what I firetrucking mean. Men ARE generally more physically able than woman when it comes to natural strength among other things to say that they aren't would make you ignorant. THAT DOESN'T firetruckING MEAN I FIND MY GENDER SUPERIOR TO YOURS. Would you rather that females had been drafted into wars with the men and had left all there loves ones behind? Is that what your saying? I KNOW there have been and still are GREAT women warriors as you said. There are GREAT women alive today for a ton of different reasons. Science, entertainment, inspirations... The list goes on and on. There are already laws protecting any human being from being hit. It's called assault, and it's a felony. I can see your point on WANTING men and women to be treated equal, but to give all these examples on how woman are just so mistreated in today's society and how it's so terrible that it's hardly bearable to be a woman, and that if a guy doesn't share the exact same opinion as a woman that would make him sexist, or if a man was trying to be protective towards women, to shelter them from certain things that means he automatically thinks he thinks that women are lesser than him, is just... I don't even know a word for it.

It's no use trying to explain that you aren't sexist. Those 2 are going to think it regardless.

So I've noticed.

[Koko 3,944]

I'm not attempting to come off as being sexist, racist, or any or form of that shit. I'm firetrucking Mexican for christ's sake.

I didn't say you were racist, but you were defending racism and other forms of oppression with your statements. And didn't ask you what your ethnicity was sorry, I honestly don't care. 

I told you already I don't mean this in an offensive way and my opinion is just as good as yours. I already tried to nicely state my opinions on what you said.

Intent doesn't matter when your opinions are harmful/oppressive, which yours are, or at least sound like. Maybe you suck at stating what you mean, but no matter your intent, you sound sexist.

You are so firetrucking ignorant to the society we live in today it's not even funny.

I am very aware of how awful society is which is why I actively fight with people like you who want to keep it the same.

Not everyone lives in this fairy tale land where everyone should be treated "Equally" whatever the firetruck your definition of that is.

Of course not everyone lives in this "fairy tale land", thats why theres so many problems, but it is wrong to work towards that?

Look at the past history of the world and even the current state of things and you should know, that your way of thinking unfortunately is so invalid and far sketched that it's literally implying that humans should be more than what we are.

Look at what we've done in the past!

Do you honestly think that we will ever change?

With people as pessimistic as you we won't. Just because you believe we won't change, doesn't mean everyone does, and I believe in change and I will fight for it, no matter how "far sketched" it is.

Just how have we grown from past experiences? Sure, solve one problem, 100 more pop up THAT WE CAUSE.

We have had THOUSANDS of years to get it right, and sorry to break it to you BUT WE NEVER WILL.

I'm sorry to break it to you but I still believe we can and like I said, I won't stop fighting. It won't get better unless more people fight because the reason nothing has been fixed is because people don't want to fight for change and the people who don't want change are typically the ones in power. So I'm gonna firetrucking fight to tear white cishet males from their pedestals and strive for change and no matter what you say won't stop me.

The world will get worse and worse until it firetrucking crumbles under our feet. Men and women being treated equally in today society is THE LEAST of our problems.

Other problems don't invalidate this one. There are a shit load of problems in society. None of them are lesser than any. It's not the least of our problems. It's one of the many we should try to change and the fact that you're so unwilling is sickening. 

"Men are abusive towards women" yes, I am aware but woman can be just as abusive towards men as we can be towards them.

Of course they can and I acknowledge that but the likelihood of men being abusive towards woman is so much higher than women to men because men have the power in society and women are conditioned to think that it is okay for men to abuse them, 

Women are just as good off in this world as we are. WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT? You have every right to have a wonderful life with a wonderful family and live peacefully. What more... Do you want.

No they are not. As long as there is rape culture, wide spread abuse (emotional/psychological/physical), slut shaming, misogyny, gender shaming in general etc etc I will not stop fighting. I want women to have rights as a human being and don't tell me that they do because they don't. And don't refer to me as a woman as I have told you I'm not a woman. And don't even talk to me about having a right to a wonderful life with a wonderful family and to live peacefully because that is simply not true. Women can't live peacefully when they're scared to walk the streets alone in fear of being attacked by a man (don't even get me started on the whole "she shouldn't be walking alone anyways!" shit because it's not the victims fault, the attacker should not firetrucking attack and should be taught so but society teaches men that it is okay to attack women and let me tell you there is so much firetrucking research on that). What part of being expected and even forced to have a family is wonderful? How is that a wonderful life when women are treated so lowly? Don't talk about women's issues if you're not a woman or at least DFAB because those are not your issues to determine. 

It's scary to be a woman in modern society. Look, i'm sure it is but that will never change. If anything in future society it will be worse. Your coming off like women are feeble creatures who can't defend themselves. That's just plain bullshit.

Women aren't taught to defend themselves. And even if they are, they SHOULDNT HAVE TO DEFEND THEMSELVES. Men should not attack women. If you think that won't change, it is simply because you don't want it to change and that is sickening as well.

For everyone to be treated equally is not realistic for us. We can implement any laws we want, there will always be people who want to hurt/abuse women.

Of course there is which is why society should teach women to be open about their abuse to punish the abusers, but of course, society protects men. It's realistic, you just don't want it to happen.

THE BULLSHIT WOMEN SUFFER?

I'm a guy and I gaurenteee I have had a far worse expierence in my life than you have. Take a walk in my shoes.

Again, implying I'm a woman which I am not. This isn't about personal experiences. I don't know your life and you don't know mine. But as a society, women have a lot more things to be afraid of than men. As any man and woman what they're afraid of about the opposite sex. Men are afraid of being laughed at by women. Women are afraid of being killed by men. (Another study btw)

Some women have bad lives because they have bad lives not nesessarily because they are women. Some guys have bad lives because they have bad lives, not because they are guys.

I don't even get what you mean by this??? People have bad lives due to a society that left them behind. Guess who are the people that society left behind. Women, LGBT* people, PoCs, people with disabilities, etc. etc.

Wow, that's really what I meant is that I am on a higher level of human than my girlfriend because we don't always share the same opinions. Thanks for catching that.

I realize now that ANYTHING I say about not even having the EXACT same opinion as a woman AUTOMATICALLY makes me sexist in your eyes.

That's not what I said. Having different opinions is fine, but if your opinion is that women aren't equal to you, then yeah you're sexist.

Your the sexist one.

Nah man, your views on sexism are rather skewed to even be able to determine what sexism is.

Just because I'd rather do things like hold doors open, and be what we call a "Gentleman" to women, to you AUTOMATICALLY make's me seem like I do it because they are lesser than me, that they don't have as much meaning as I do.

Lmao, this doesn't even make sense? You should hold doors open for EVERYONE because it's polite. This whole "gentleman" bullcrap just sounds like the whole Nice Guy thing tbh, not even getting into this.

Alright, yeah that's EXACTLY what I firetrucking mean.

Men ARE generally more physically able than woman when it comes to natural strength among other things to say that they aren't would make you ignorant. THAT DOESN'T firetruckING MEAN I FIND MY GENDER SUPERIOR TO YOURS.

Except that's exactly what it sounds like you're saying. 

Would you rather that females had been drafted into wars with the men and had left all there loves ones behind?

Is that what your saying?

Lmao you're taking my words out of context. I'd rather have women been able to choose their place in society instead of men being oppressive shits and telling them they only had one place. 

I KNOW there have been and still are GREAT women warriors as you said. There are GREAT women alive today for a ton of different reasons. Science, entertainment, inspirations... The list goes on and on.

Yet you still find them unequal to you despite that EVERYONE has the same potential and should be regarded as a human being. 

There are already laws protecting any human being from being hit.

It's called assault, and it's a felony.

I know that, I'm not uninformed? I was simply saying that because you made it seem like I was saying no one should get punished for assault which was your own misinterpretation and pessimistic thinking lmao.

I can see your point on WANTING men and women to be treated equal, but to give all these examples on how woman are just so mistreated in today's society and how it's so terrible that it's hardly bearable to be a woman, and that if a guy doesn't share the exact same opinion as a woman that would make him sexist, or if a man was trying to be protective towards women, to shelter them from certain things that means he automatically thinks he thinks that women are lesser than him, is just... I don't even know a word for it.

Except they are mistreated and if you don't want to change that, then you're upholding the system of abuse towards women, which is a sexist institution. As well, you're somehow unable to comprehend anything I said but I never said that a guy had to share the same opinion as a woman, but if a guy thinks men and women are unequal and should be treated differently, yeah that's sexism right there. And women don't want or need your protection sorry to break it to you. Women want to not need protection. Fight the problem at the source and blame the ones who commit the crimes, not the ones who are victims to it. 

 

lmao

Edited June 2, 2013 by Koko

[JJForever 75]

I actually thought you were a girl. lmao

Ahem, but anyways believe what you want. I'm done trying to communicate with you. I tried to do so without causing any flaming between us. In a civilized manner if you will. Yet, we don't agree on seemingly anything. So why try... Why is this even in a forum related to KH anyways?

I will say one thing...

Don't try to play the hero. It'll only lead to discomfort for yourself, and after you've gotten nowhere with what you intended to do, you'll realize that sometimes... It's better to just go with it. I almost feel sorry for you in a way.

 

PS: I meant, that just because say you were a guy (To avoid any further sexist assumptions) and you had a "Bad" life, doesn't mean that it was because your a guy. I guess it would work better for women... Alright, so if you were a woman and you had a bad life this doesn't mean it was because you were a woman. It comes down to luck I suppose...

 

Oh, and men can be raped too

Edited June 2, 2013 by JJForever

[Koko 3,944]

I actually thought you were a girl. lol.Ahem, but anyways believe what you want. I'm done trying to communicate with you. I tried to do so without causing any flaming between us. In a civilized manner if you will. Yet, we don't agree on seemingly anything. So why try... Why is this even in a forum related to KH anyways?I will say one thing...Don't try to play the hero. It'll only lead to discomfort for yourself, and after you've gotten nowhere with you intended to do, you'll realize that sometimes... It's better to just go with it.I almost feel sorry for you in a way.PS: I meant, that just because say you were a guy (To avoid any further sexist assumptions) and you had a "Bad" life, doesn't mean that it was because your a guy. I guess it would work better for women... Alright, so if you were a woman and you had a bad life this doesn't mean it was because you were a woman. It comes down to luck I suppose...Oh, and men can be raped too

 

Someone corrected you about my gender and I corrected you twice before it got through your head. It's not funny.

I have gone with it. Just because you're content being the bystander doesn't mean I am. 

And it's not due to luck, due to society like I said.

 

I never said they couldn't lmao?? That's an issue with rape culture as well??? lmao. 

[Shana09 5,769]

If you want society to change, instead of arguing on the internet, why don't you go outside and join or a movement or protest. 

[Dracozombie 4,554]

Ahem, but anyways believe what you want. I'm done trying to communicate with you. I tried to do so without causing any flaming between us. In a civilized manner if you will. Yet, we don't agree on seemingly anything. So why try... Why is this even in a forum related to KH anyways?I will say one thing...Don't try to play the hero. It'll only lead to discomfort for yourself, and after you've gotten nowhere with you intended to do, you'll realize that sometimes... It's better to just go with it.I almost feel sorry for you in a way.PS: I meant, that just because say you were a guy (To avoid any further sexist assumptions) and you had a "Bad" life, doesn't mean that it was because your a guy. I guess it would work better for women... Alright, so if you were a woman and you had a bad life this doesn't mean it was because you were a woman. It comes down to luck I suppose...Oh, and men can be raped too

 

It's possible to be wrong in a civilized manner.  Opinions can be founded on misinformation, and "It's my opinion" holds no weight when that opinion gives someone else the short end of the stick, regardless of your intention.

 

There's a place like this because the forum has other things besides KH.  Things like this that focus on the site's community, is one of them.

 

One person playing the hero usually won't succeed.  A bunch of them might just will.  Enough people making enough noise in productive ways will cause change.  You can't say things will never change.  There was a time when the state and the Catholic Church were pretty much one and the same, and now look at how things are.  There was also a time when women couldn't vote.  Nothing can change?  Thinking that will become a self-fulfilling prophecy.  Some people are actually proactive in what they want instead of wallowing around, saying "Oh, nothing will change" and just taking up perfectly good oxygen.

 

And Koko isn't a guy, either.  Read up on being genderqueer.  There are issues and pieces of issues you aren't aware of.  That's where the making noise thing comes in.  The internet is a handy microphone for that.

[Shana09 5,769]

There are issues and pieces of issues you aren't aware of.  That's where the making noise thing comes in.  The internet is a handy microphone for that.

 

Not necessarily, most of the people the Internet like to voice their opinion as much as the other person but there are people who will be against it or not care.

It's better to be a part of a major protesting group and protest about it IRL instead of arguing on the internet.

[dusk 910]

If you want society to change, instead of arguing on the internet, why don't you go outside and join or a movement or protest. 

 

It makes too much sense to shout at random people on internet and feel good about it

[Koko 3,944]

If you want society to change, instead of arguing on the internet, why don't you go outside and join or a movement or protest. 

 

I see your point with that, but there are a lot of issues with some protests that people don't want to be a part of due to the protests themselves being problematic (such as the radical feminist movement and the It Gets Better project to name a few popular but very problematic) or it is currently difficult for someone to join any organization like you suggest due to money restraints and location or a matter of safety. As well, the internet is a good place to get your opinions out and educate people about issues and educating others causes more change than simply protesting or a joining a movement. Change starts with the erasure of ignorance and the promotion of education, protesting and movements don't always educate like they should. As well as some movements are very one sided and do not touch all the issues necessary (in example, Gay Pride parades/protests pretty much focuses on gay cismen and marriage equality but there are so many other queer people in the community and a lot more dangerous issues such as violence against queer youth.)

Edited June 2, 2013 by Koko

[Dracozombie 4,554]

Not necessarily, most of the people the Internet like to voice their opinion as much as the other person but there are people who will be against it or not care.

It's better to be a part of a major protesting group and protest about it IRL instead of arguing on the internet.

 

Except in my experience, people ignore protesters for being obnoxious and in their way, and will totally tune them out.  Not everyone will listen to people over the internet, either, but it's a powerful tool for people to get many messages across to many different people.  Compare that to a local protest group or organization that most people will ignore so they can continue carrying out their business for the day.  At least on the internet, no one is in your way.  And yeah, there's also how Koko mentioned it costs time and money and location to be a part of a good organization, which isn't an option for everybody.  People use what resources they have, and for a teenager with barely any money or means of financial autonomy, the internet is Koko's best bet.

[Shana09 5,769]

I see your point with that, but there are a lot of issues with some protests that people don't want to be a part of due to the protests themselves being problematic (such as the radical feminist movement and the It Gets Better project to name a few popular but very problematic) or it is currently difficult for someone to join any organization like you suggest due to money restraints and location or a matter of safety. As well, the internet is a good place to get your opinions out and educate people about issues and educating others causes more change than simply protesting or a joining a movement. Change starts with the erasure of ignorance and the promotion of education, protesting and movements don't always educate like they should. As well as some movements are very one sided and do not touch all the issues necessary (in example, Gay Pride parades/protests pretty much focuses on gay cismen and marriage equality but there are so many other queer people in the community and a lot more dangerous issues such as violence against queer youth.)

 

 

That's true, there are very problematic. I'm sure there are major online movements (hopefully will decrease the problems like you listed and aren't one-sided), since in the recent years the movements on the internet had success. Not sure if theres one on feminism but there should be and I'd think that's a good place to start. If it gets wildly popular then it will make an impact. Have you ever tried finding some? 

[Weiss 8,279]

Ahem, but anyways believe what you want. I'm done trying to communicate with you. I tried to do so without causing any flaming between us. In a civilized manner if you will. Yet, we don't agree on seemingly anything. So why try... Why is this even in a forum related to KH anyways?

I will say one thing...

Don't try to play the hero. It'll only lead to discomfort for yourself, and after you've gotten nowhere with what you intended to do, you'll realize that sometimes... It's better to just go with it. I almost feel sorry for you in a way.

 

PS: I meant, that just because say you were a guy (To avoid any further sexist assumptions) and you had a "Bad" life, doesn't mean that it was because your a guy. I guess it would work better for women... Alright, so if you were a woman and you had a bad life this doesn't mean it was because you were a woman. It comes down to luck I suppose...

 

Oh, and men can be raped too

 

You may post an opinion in response to another, but no full blown arguing and trying to convince someone that your opinion is 'right'

 

People don't have to agree. As said in the OP itself it's alright to post your opinion as a response to another. Trying to convice someone to turn to your opinion is not.

[Koko 3,944]

That's true, there are very problematic. I'm sure there are major online movements (hopefully will decrease the problems like you listed and aren't one-sided), since in the recent years the movements on the internet had success. Not sure if theres one on feminism but there should be and I'd think that's a good place to start. If it gets wildly popular then it will make an impact. Have you ever tried finding some? 

 

In my experience online movements tend to be a little general where like a bunch of people with similar beliefs come together to spread awareness about ongoing problems in society (which is what I typically do, except not here bc ppl r dum) or make a petition etc but while some are successful, i wouldnt call the success of a petition a movement

as well, an online movement imo seems like it'd be hard to organize

 

but the internet in general is a good place to get a place to speak out against oppression, whether it is one person, several, or a movement. 

[JJForever 75]

If you want society to change, instead of arguing on the internet, why don't you go outside and join or a movement or protest.

I like this.

 

It's possible to be wrong in a civilized manner. Opinions can be founded on misinformation, and "It's my opinion" holds no weight when that opinion gives someone else the short end of the stick, regardless of your intention.

 

There's a place like this because the forum has other things besides KH. Things like this that focus on the site's community, is one of them.

 

One person playing the hero usually won't succeed. A bunch of them might just will. Enough people making enough noise in productive ways will cause change. You can't say things will never change. There was a time when the state and the Catholic Church were pretty much one and the same, and now look at how things are. There was also a time when women couldn't vote. Nothing can change? Thinking that will become a self-fulfilling prophecy. Some people are actually proactive in what they want instead of wallowing around, saying "Oh, nothing will change" and just taking up perfectly good oxygen.

 

And Koko isn't a guy, either. Read up on being genderqueer. There are issues and pieces of issues you aren't aware of. That's where the making noise thing comes in. The internet is a handy microphone for that.

No, I actually thought genderqueer was just an expression or something. I was unaware of this term and it's meaning... Interesting.

 

I don't believe things can change simply because I don't think we'll have the time. I'm Christian, and well... I believe that the end will happen soon. Obviously i'm not positive but before you shoot my religion down you'd have to do research on the Book of Revalations, or I could always share what it says. (Right..)

 

I see your point with that, but there are a lot of issues with some protests that people don't want to be a part of due to the protests themselves being problematic (such as the radical feminist movement and the It Gets Better project to name a few popular but very problematic) or it is currently difficult for someone to join any organization like you suggest due to money restraints and location or a matter of safety. As well, the internet is a good place to get your opinions out and educate people about issues and educating others causes more change than simply protesting or a joining a movement. Change starts with the erasure of ignorance and the promotion of education, protesting and movements don't always educate like they should. As well as some movements are very one sided and do not touch all the issues necessary (in example, Gay Pride parades/protests pretty much focuses on gay cismen and marriage equality but there are so many other queer people in the community and a lot more dangerous issues such as violence against queer youth.)

Ha... Anyways, Koko your like sixteen. (According to your profile) Granted i'm only seventeen but come on, do you really even know what you want to be? I won't attempt to change your way of thinking, i'm just saying. I can see it. You smoke weed and your like all these stereotype people who smoke, you have the basic hippy outlook on life. Not that it's a bad thing, and I know i'm just making really an assumption.

[Shana09 5,769]

I like this.

 

 

No, I actually thought genderqueer was just an expression or something. I was unaware of this term and it's meaning... Interesting.

 

I don't believe things can change simply because I don't think we'll have the time. I'm Christian, and well... I believe that the end will happen soon. Obviously i'm not positive but before you shoot my religion down you'd have to do research on the Book of Revalations, or I could always share what it says. (Right..)

 

 

Ha... Anyways, Koko your like sixteen. (According to your profile) Granted i'm only seventeen but come on, do you really even know what you want to be? I won't attempt to change your way of thinking, i'm just saying. I can see it. You smoke weed and your like all these stereotype people who smoke, you have the basic hippy outlook on life. Not that it's a bad thing, and I know i'm just making really an assumption.

 

1) Her pronouns are ze and hir (if theres something else correct me). It's more of the fact that people don't believe they are the gender they biologically are, it's more of a mental perspective, not a biological.

 

2) Well I do respect your belief, you have to understand that others don't believe the end is coming. Just because you do, that doesn't mean everyone else does. So if they don't believe it, why wont they change? There was a large African-American Civil Rights movement and people act like they wont get their rights, but they did now. There was a Feminist movement that granted women their rights not too long ago. There was a Protestant Reformation against the Catholic Church for not going according to the bible and ask for them to change. Change can happen, it just takes time and a good reputation needs to be built.

 

3) I really don't see the point in calling that out that ze smokes or being a stereotype. It's not bad like you stated, but there was no point really. Yeah ze is sixteen, but that doesn't stop hir from having opinions at all. 

 

 

 

In my experience online movements tend to be a little general where like a bunch of people with similar beliefs come together to spread awareness about ongoing problems in society (which is what I typically do, except not here bc ppl r dum) or make a petition etc but while some are successful, i wouldnt call the success of a petition a movement

as well, an online movement imo seems like it'd be hard to organize

 

but the internet in general is a good place to get a place to speak out against oppression, whether it is one person, several, or a movement. 

 

I can see that happening. The internet is good but when I've seen posts about people being very vocal about their opinions, not many people change their opinions on the internet. While it's a good place to speak against oppression, it's also quite difficult unless you have an overwhelming factor. Some people shield out all facts and become ignorant as well when they believe that women aren't oppressed in a way. I had experiences acting against oppression as a person but when it's against several people it's quite difficult, and most of the time it's difficult when it's against one person, online and IRL. 

Edited June 2, 2013 by Shana09

[Koko 3,944]

Ha... Anyways, Koko your like sixteen. (According to your profile) Granted i'm only seventeen but come on, do you really even know what you want to be? I won't attempt to change your way of thinking, i'm just saying. I can see it. You smoke weed and your like all these stereotype people who smoke, you have the basic hippy outlook on life. Not that it's a bad thing, and I know i'm just making really an assumption.

 

What does my age have to do with anything? Why does it matter if I know what I want to be in future?? That has no firetrucking relevance lmao

And I don't smoke weed sorry. Stop making assumptions and being a general asshole or at least learn how to word yourself better lol. 

[JJForever 75]

What does my age have to do with anything? Why does it matter if I know what I want to be in future?? That has no firetrucking relevance lmaoAnd I don't smoke weed sorry. Stop making assumptions and being a general asshole or at least learn how to word yourself better lol.

Oh, my bad. It was just coming from your profile which said "A friend with weed is better" so, sorry if I took that wrong. It's because your an adolescent, just as I am, and adolescent's often question stuff like that. It really does not have any reference towards what we were talking about. Yet it could in the reason we were talking about it.