The Unpopular Opinions Thread

[Jim 2,990]

You shouldn't speak for all Christians, because I have never met a Christian who believes that. "we Christians" are generally the more religious extremes, not the Christians who take the Bible for what it really is. Because the Bible says to love everyone, and the Bible doesn't say that being gay is permanently wrong. At the time, the world was extremely underpopulated. So yes, back then, when our population was dwindling, allowing gay marriage would be wrong to some. Quite frankly, God wanted babies. A man + a man or a woman + a woman were not necessarily wrong--but at the time, they could not be allowed, because we NEEDED people. Now that we've surpassed 7 billion people, and long before that, there is nothing wrong with being gay if that's who you are inside. 

 

How sick would God have to be to say, I'll make you like the same gender, but you can't marry them? Do you think God wants his children to be happy? If the answer is yes, then I'm pretty sure God isn't upset about gay marriage. It isn't sinful; if gay marriage in sinful, then so is heterosexual marriage. And at that rate, we're all going to hell. 

Alright, I want to kinda pick apart your argument a little bit, just so that I can give my honest opinion on what you're saying.

 

 

"You shouldn't speak for all Christians, because I have never met a Christian who believes that." What do you mean by "that"? I'm not trying to be nitpicky, I just don't know what part of my statement you're talking about, sorry.

 

 "we Christians" are generally the more religious extremes, not the Christians who take the Bible for what it really is. I don't want to play the "no ur wrongg" card, but that is an extreme generalization. I have made friends with countless Christians, and I can honestly say that none of which are anywhere near that extreme. The minority that are extreme like that are the loudest ones (i.e. Westboro Baptist Church). But please believe me when I say that they do not represent the viewpoint of Christianity as a whole. 

 

 Because the Bible says to love everyone, It absolutely does. But that doesn't mean we have to love their sinful nature. I have many friends who I love dearly, but all of them are far from perfect. This doesn't mean I love them any less. In all honesty though, I only have one friend who's not straight (she's bisexual) and I don't treat her with any less respect than I treat any other of my friends. 

 

and the Bible doesn't say that being gay is permanently wrong. Are you referring to the fact that the laws of the Old Testament were abolished? Because the New Testament also refers to homosexuality as a sin.

At the time, the world was extremely underpopulated. So yes, back then, when our population was dwindling, allowing gay marriage would be wrong to some. Quite frankly, God wanted babies. A man + a man or a woman + a woman were not necessarily wrong--but at the time, they could not be allowed, because we NEEDED people. I don't think this "God wanted babies" line of thought was implied anywhere, but if you have a verse that implies it, I'd be happy to take a look. 

 

How sick would God have to be to say, I'll make you like the same gender, but you can't marry them? But that's not what He says. He brought us into this world in the first place to be perfect. We messed that up, and because of that, all sin (including homosexuality), came onto the earth as punishment. The problem here is that everyone is born with sin, but people who aren't Christian legitimately don't realize it's a sin! And now the only people who can remind them that it's a sin are the ones that are losing more and more credibility by the day. And this is what causes so much friction between us and the LGBT community!

 

 Do you think God wants his children to be happy? If the answer is yes, then I'm pretty sure God isn't upset about gay marriage. He does want us to be happy, but I make the assumption that He is upset about gay marriage. But this doesn't mean that he intends homosexuals to live a life of sadness or sinfulness. I've seen testimonies (I can link one to you if you want to see it) of people who were literally healed of their homosexuality through prayer and fellowship, and were able to live happily in Christ.

 It isn't sinful; if gay marriage in sinful, then so is heterosexual marriage. The bible specifically mentions that relations with one's heterosexual spouse is a good thing. Read "Song of Songs", for instance.

Edited December 1, 2012 by Jim

[Shana09 5,769]

 

 

 Do you think God wants his children to be happy? If the answer is yes, then I'm pretty sure God isn't upset about gay marriage. He does want us to be happy, but I make the assumption that He is upset about gay marriage. But this doesn't mean that he intends homosexuals to live a life of sadness or sinfulness. I've seen testimonies (I can link one to you if you want to see it) of people who were literally healed of their homosexuality through prayer and fellowship, and were able to live happily in Christ.

 It isn't sinful; if gay marriage in sinful, then so is heterosexual marriage. The bible specifically mentions that relations with one's heterosexual spouse is a good thing. Read "Song of Songs", for instance.

 

I don't see how one gets "healed" of their homosexuality. If you mean manipulate a person into thinking that homosexuality is completely wrong and make them feel bad for carrying a sin and try to "change" who you are because of it, then that's possible the only way. I don't think it's possible to heal a guy from prayer and fellowship, I just don't actually believe that. You can't cure homosexuality, it's not a disease or anything. The person will be neglecting their feelings towards men/women depending on their gender, other than being fully healed. 

 

If god was unhappy with gay marriage then San Francisco, NY, Maryland etc. are doomed. 

 

Not trying to offend you or anything, but I really really don't believe in that. Id like to see these testimonies you are talking about. 

[4Everbee 1,365]

 Lindsay Lohan is to BLAME! SHE'S the one who punch that women in the face she's the one who started the fight. Nobody but her.

Stop standing up for her just cause she punch a gypsy. If it was anybody else you would be pissed at Lindsay but since it was a gypsy, your blaming it on the gypsy.

[Jim 2,990]

I don't see how one gets "healed" of their homosexuality. If you mean manipulate a person into thinking that homosexuality is completely wrong and make them feel bad for carrying a sin and try to "change" who you are because of it, then that's possible the only way. I don't think it's possible to heal a guy from prayer and fellowship, I just don't actually believe that. You can't cure homosexuality, it's not a disease or anything. The person will be neglecting their feelings towards men/women depending on their gender, other than being fully healed. 

 

If god was unhappy with gay marriage then San Francisco, NY, Maryland etc. are doomed. 

 

Not trying to offend you or anything, but I really really don't believe in that. Id like to see these testimonies you are talking about. 

Here's one, I'll leave it up to you to decide whether it's legit or not: http://www.loamagazine.org/nr/a_testimony/jesus_healed_my_homosexuality.html

 

A lot of testimonies I read are often in comments in Christian statuses. I've also heard of healings of other things, such as drug addictions (look up Brian Head Welsch, not sure if I spelled his last name right). Here's one of those testimonies: 

 

And please don't think I'm trying to antagonize you guys by saying this stuff. I'm just saying what I believe in, and I mean everything I say in the most respectful way possible.

Edited December 1, 2012 by Jim

[Blake 776]

 

And please don't think I'm trying to antagonize you guys by saying this stuff. I'm just saying what I believe in, and I mean everything I say in the most respectful way possible.

When opinions and opinions butt heads on the internet, you get war.

 

 

Unrelated: Abortion. gogogogo

[Jim 2,990]

When opinions and opinions butt heads on the internet, you get war. Normally, yeah. But this seems like a good thread for honest discussions.

 

 

Unrelated: Abortion. gogogogo NO HOW DARE YOU BRING DAT UP DAS OFFENSAV ODNFAODFNAODNFALKDNFLAKNDMLKASN

[Blake 776]

 

When opinions and opinions butt heads on the internet, you get war. Normally, yeah. But this seems like a good thread for honest discussions. (People ARE cool on this site )

 

 

Unrelated: Abortion. gogogogo NO HOW DARE YOU BRING DAT UP DAS OFFENSAV ODNFAODFNAODNFALKDNFLAKNDMLKASN

(this is why I love you)

 

[Koko 3,944]

trans* rights are a bigger issue than gay rights

also gay white dudes need to shut up some time because theyre a lot more accepted than someone who's a queer PoC

[4Everbee 1,365]

White people sux. Not all but like.

Lot of them in Boston suck balls.

The teens are annoying as firetruck. They think they're cool for riding bikes, bitch it doesn't mean what kind of firetrucking trick you do, you're a white boy on a bike your mom got you.

And some ain't even teens, one's a 10 year old at least and he says. "Why is this gay-ass bike here?" 

You. Are. A. White. Teenager.

YOU lived a EASY ASS LIFE! You can NOT talk like you have swag and think you're fly. You can't act like you grew up in the hood or talk like your in hood. Cause bitch.

Ya ain't. 

I hate people in Boston. Take me anywhere but here.

Edited December 1, 2012 by 4Everbee

[Koko 3,944]

if you're part of a privileged group, you can not say words that were used to oppress minorities

so if you're white/straight/etc, no you can't say the n word, you can say shit like beaners or wet backs, you cant call romani people 'gypsy', you can call people f ags, and etc.However the people of these group are ENTITLED to taking back words to degrade them and changing the meaning.

and dont cry about words like 'cracker' and 'gringo' because seriously youre being stupid (cracker was used to describe white slave owners CRACKING their whips and gringo evolved from Mexicans telling American troops to leave 'Green go!')

[FireRubies1 1,325]

Okay so this was an actual thing that happened on FB 

"Dude I'm hella fuccin high I jst dnt giva fuk"

"Wat skoo u go to ?"

I just don't like that >___>

It's not cool

it's not cute

[axele 151]

I've never liked Mario. I've always considered the games to be repetitive, the difficulty to be cheap, and the gameplay sometimes useless.

 

I'm now open to getting shot.

 

I love you. 

[Think Pink 1,967]

Alright, I want to kinda pick apart your argument a little bit, just so that I can give my honest opinion on what you're saying.

 

 

"You shouldn't speak for all Christians, because I have never met a Christian who believes that." What do you mean by "that"? I'm not trying to be nitpicky, I just don't know what part of my statement you're talking about, sorry.

 

 "we Christians" are generally the more religious extremes, not the Christians who take the Bible for what it really is. I don't want to play the "no ur wrongg" card, but that is an extreme generalization. I have made friends with countless Christians, and I can honestly say that none of which are anywhere near that extreme. The minority that are extreme like that are the loudest ones (i.e. Westboro Baptist Church). But please believe me when I say that they do not represent the viewpoint of Christianity as a whole. 

 

 Because the Bible says to love everyone, It absolutely does. But that doesn't mean we have to love their sinful nature. I have many friends who I love dearly, but all of them are far from perfect. This doesn't mean I love them any less. In all honesty though, I only have one friend who's not straight (she's bisexual) and I don't treat her with any less respect than I treat any other of my friends. 

 

and the Bible doesn't say that being gay is permanently wrong. Are you referring to the fact that the laws of the Old Testament were abolished? Because the New Testament also refers to homosexuality as a sin.

At the time, the world was extremely underpopulated. So yes, back then, when our population was dwindling, allowing gay marriage would be wrong to some. Quite frankly, God wanted babies. A man + a man or a woman + a woman were not necessarily wrong--but at the time, they could not be allowed, because we NEEDED people. I don't think this "God wanted babies" line of thought was implied anywhere, but if you have a verse that implies it, I'd be happy to take a look. 

 

How sick would God have to be to say, I'll make you like the same gender, but you can't marry them? But that's not what He says. He brought us into this world in the first place to be perfect. We messed that up, and because of that, all sin (including homosexuality), came onto the earth as punishment. The problem here is that everyone is born with sin, but people who aren't Christian legitimately don't realize it's a sin! And now the only people who can remind them that it's a sin are the ones that are losing more and more credibility by the day. And this is what causes so much friction between us and the LGBT community!

 

 Do you think God wants his children to be happy? If the answer is yes, then I'm pretty sure God isn't upset about gay marriage. He does want us to be happy, but I make the assumption that He is upset about gay marriage. But this doesn't mean that he intends homosexuals to live a life of sadness or sinfulness. I've seen testimonies (I can link one to you if you want to see it) of people who were literally healed of their homosexuality through prayer and fellowship, and were able to live happily in Christ.

 It isn't sinful; if gay marriage in sinful, then so is heterosexual marriage. The bible specifically mentions that relations with one's heterosexual spouse is a good thing. Read "Song of Songs", for instance.

Just want to throw this in before I say anything else--I really don't mean to offend you in anything I say and I hope this doesn't come off sounding argumentative. Also, I'm just going to say like Part 1 = paragraph 1 from the quote, Part 2 = paragraph 2 from the quote, ect, because I'm lazy. 8DD

 

Part 1; Yeah, I guess I probably should have been more clear about that. I meant where you were saying that Christians believe gay marriage is sinful, and the overall idea of being gay being sinful in itself. 

 

Part 2; Maybe it's geography, but I've never met anyone who thinks that being gay is wrong. It bothered me when you said "we Christians", because it's like you are speaking for Christianity as a whole, and never have I met a Christian who believes that being gay is sinful. 

 

Part 3-4; The Bible wasn't written yesterday. It's pretty dang old, and as with anything that's old, parts of it are outdated. Maybe the overall message is the same, but through many translations and the expiration of certain things, it's not what it would have been when the last parts were written. At the time, they labeled being gay as a sin, because as I stated previously (and you really didn't seem able to refute) the world was underpopulated. We needed people. And at the time, if it were allowed for anyone to be gay (which would result in no babies) it would slow down production rate. Slavery used to be considered okay in the eyes of the Bible, too. Do you think slavery is tolerable? Do you think we should allow it? No. Didn't think so. The Bible does have an expiration date on parts of it. 

 

Part 5; This is part of what revvs me up. You have to do some thinking instead of believing things with no basis. If God WANTED us to be perfect, then WE WOULD BE. He has the power, wouldn't you say? So if he wanted perfect human beings, then we would all be perfect. Obviously, for some reason we can't understand, he didn't want us to be perfect. You're saying that Eve was perfect. Well clearly she wasn't, because she gave in to the temptation of sin. If God had created us perfect as you just said, then she wouldn't have done that. I'm glad tbh that those kinds of Christians are losing credibility. Because there isn't friction with the LGBT community when Christians act like Christians. The friction is caused by the people who refuse to accept them the way they are, and tell them to turn straight, when God did not intend for them to be straight. I  know quite a few members of the LGBT community who go to church, and NO ONE at their church would dare try to turn them straight, because God loves that person the way they are, and He would never want someone brainwashing his child. 

 

Part 6; That also makes me kind of sick to imagine. Those people were flatout brainwashed, and you can't deny it. It would be like a church trying to "heal me through prayer and fellowship" into liking both sexes or something when I didn't. They do a lot worse to those poor people than pray for them and become their friend. If someone who knew they were gay came out of one of those "prayer and fellowship" sessions and proclaimed they were straight, then they were brainwashed. It's not possible for someone to just somehow go, oh, jk, I changed my mind. I'm going to assume you're a boy based on your username, so how would you feel if someone brainwashed you to the point you liked other boys, even if God had made you specifically straight (not that He makes everyone that way). It would be horribly wrong, and if you ever got over the brainwashing, you'd feel violated and awful that they made you feel something that you didn't. (Not that being gay is wrong, but I'm guessing that's how you would feel after being brainwashed in such a way.) You make being homosexual sound like it's a disease. If homosexuality is a disease, then so is heterosexuality. Because people have no control over who they like--it's just who they are as a person, and God made them that way. He isn't sick enough to put a person on the world liking a certain gender, and then telling them that they're wrong. 

[TheApprenticeofKingMickey 3,689]

Alright, I want to kinda pick apart your argument a little bit, just so that I can give my honest opinion on what you're saying.  "You shouldn't speak for all Christians, because I have never met a Christian who believes that." What do you mean by "that"? I'm not trying to be nitpicky, I just don't know what part of my statement you're talking about, sorry.  "we Christians" are generally the more religious extremes, not the Christians who take the Bible for what it really is. I don't want to play the "no ur wrongg" card, but that is an extreme generalization. I have made friends with countless Christians, and I can honestly say that none of which are anywhere near that extreme. The minority that are extreme like that are the loudest ones (i.e. Westboro Baptist Church). But please believe me when I say that they do not represent the viewpoint of Christianity as a whole.   Because the Bible says to love everyone, It absolutely does. But that doesn't mean we have to love their sinful nature. I have many friends who I love dearly, but all of them are far from perfect. This doesn't mean I love them any less. In all honesty though, I only have one friend who's not straight (she's bisexual) and I don't treat her with any less respect than I treat any other of my friends.  and the Bible doesn't say that being gay is permanently wrong. Are you referring to the fact that the laws of the Old Testament were abolished? Because the New Testament also refers to homosexuality as a sin. At the time, the world was extremely underpopulated. So yes, back then, when our population was dwindling, allowing gay marriage would be wrong to some. Quite frankly, God wanted babies. A man + a man or a woman + a woman were not necessarily wrong--but at the time, they could not be allowed, because we NEEDED people. I don't think this "God wanted babies" line of thought was implied anywhere, but if you have a verse that implies it, I'd be happy to take a look.  How sick would God have to be to say, I'll make you like the same gender, but you can't marry them? But that's not what He says. He brought us into this world in the first place to be perfect. We messed that up, and because of that, all sin (including homosexuality), came onto the earth as punishment. The problem here is that everyone is born with sin, but people who aren't Christian legitimately don't realize it's a sin! And now the only people who can remind them that it's a sin are the ones that are losing more and more credibility by the day. And this is what causes so much friction between us and the LGBT community!  Do you think God wants his children to be happy? If the answer is yes, then I'm pretty sure God isn't upset about gay marriage. He does want us to be happy, but I make the assumption that He is upset about gay marriage. But this doesn't mean that he intends homosexuals to live a life of sadness or sinfulness. I've seen testimonies (I can link one to you if you want to see it) of people who were literally healed of their homosexuality through prayer and fellowship, and were able to live happily in Christ.  It isn't sinful; if gay marriage in sinful, then so is heterosexual marriage. The bible specifically mentions that relations with one's heterosexual spouse is a good thing. Read "Song of Songs", for instance.

Just want to throw this in before I say anything else--I really don't mean to offend you in anything I say and I hope this doesn't come off sounding argumentative. Also, I'm just going to say like Part 1 = paragraph 1 from the quote, Part 2 = paragraph 2 from the quote, ect, because I'm lazy. 8DD Part 1; Yeah, I guess I probably should have been more clear about that. I meant where you were saying that Christians believe gay marriage is sinful, and the overall idea of being gay being sinful in itself.  Part 2; Maybe it's geography, but I've never met anyone who thinks that being gay is wrong. It bothered me when you said "we Christians", because it's like you are speaking for Christianity as a whole, and never have I met a Christian who believes that being gay is sinful.  Part 3-4; The Bible wasn't written yesterday. It's pretty dang old, and as with anything that's old, parts of it are outdated. Maybe the overall message is the same, but through many translations and the expiration of certain things, it's not what it would have been when the last parts were written. At the time, they labeled being gay as a sin, because as I stated previously (and you really didn't seem able to refute) the world was underpopulated. We needed people. And at the time, if it were allowed for anyone to be gay (which would result in no babies) it would slow down production rate. Slavery used to be considered okay in the eyes of the Bible, too. Do you think slavery is tolerable? Do you think we should allow it? No. Didn't think so. The Bible does have an expiration date on parts of it.  Part 5; This is part of what revvs me up. You have to do some thinking instead of believing things with no basis. If God WANTED us to be perfect, then WE WOULD BE. He has the power, wouldn't you say? So if he wanted perfect human beings, then we would all be perfect. Obviously, for some reason we can't understand, he didn't want us to be perfect. You're saying that Eve was perfect. Well clearly she wasn't, because she gave in to the temptation of sin. If God had created us perfect as you just said, then she wouldn't have done that. I'm glad tbh that those kinds of Christians are losing credibility. Because there isn't friction with the LGBT community when Christians act like Christians. The friction is caused by the people who refuse to accept them the way they are, and tell them to turn straight, when God did not intend for them to be straight. I  know quite a few members of the LGBT community who go to church, and NO ONE at their church would dare try to turn them straight, because God loves that person the way they are, and He would never want someone brainwashing his child.  Part 6; That also makes me kind of sick to imagine. Those people were flatout brainwashed, and you can't deny it. It would be like a church trying to "heal me through prayer and fellowship" into liking both sexes or something when I didn't. They do a lot worse to those poor people than pray for them and become their friend. If someone who knew they were gay came out of one of those "prayer and fellowship" sessions and proclaimed they were straight, then they were brainwashed. It's not possible for someone to just somehow go, oh, jk, I changed my mind. I'm going to assume you're a boy based on your username, so how would you feel if someone brainwashed you to the point you liked other boys, even if God had made you specifically straight (not that He makes everyone that way). It would be horribly wrong, and if you ever got over the brainwashing, you'd feel violated and awful that they made you feel something that you didn't. (Not that being gay is wrong, but I'm guessing that's how you would feel after being brainwashed in such a way.) You make being homosexual sound like it's a disease. If homosexuality is a disease, then so is heterosexuality. Because people have no control over who they like--it's just who they are as a person, and God made them that way. He isn't sick enough to put a person on the world liking a certain gender, and then telling them that they're wrong. 

I need to speak my mind on this issue. I mean no disrespect Jim but I have to agree with Think Pink/Lexi.On top of everything she said, you seem to be assuming a lot of the things you believe God wants or likes. To me, it just seems by being assuming of Him, you're disrespecting the Holy Father as well.That's all I wanted to say.

[wayfinder823 477]

Part 5; This is part of what revvs me up. You have to do some thinking instead of believing things with no basis. If God WANTED us to be perfect, then WE WOULD BE. He has the power, wouldn't you say? So if he wanted perfect human beings, then we would all be perfect. Obviously, for some reason we can't understand, he didn't want us to be perfect. You're saying that Eve was perfect. Well clearly she wasn't, because she gave in to the temptation of sin. 

 

 

But how can we be "perfect" if we don't know "imperfection?" The way I see it, God wants us to have agency, the ability to choose right from wrong. It's how we grow. Adam and Eve didn't know what right and wrong was until after they ate of the fruit from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. And what she did wasn't a "sin," even after she offered the fruit to Adam. In my eyes, Adam eating of the fruit is a transgression, which is different than a Sin. 

[Jim 2,990]

Just want to throw this in before I say anything else--I really don't mean to offend you in anything I say and I hope this doesn't come off sounding argumentative. Also, I'm just going to say like Part 1 = paragraph 1 from the quote, Part 2 = paragraph 2 from the quote, ect, because I'm lazy. 8DD 

 

Part 1; Yeah, I guess I probably should have been more clear about that. I meant where you were saying that Christians believe gay marriage is sinful, and the overall idea of being gay being sinful in itself. 

 

Part 2; Maybe it's geography, but I've never met anyone who thinks that being gay is wrong. It bothered me when you said "we Christians", because it's like you are speaking for Christianity as a whole, and never have I met a Christian who believes that being gay is sinful. I guess I should clarify here. It's not BEING homosexual that's sinful, it's acting on that homosexuality. Just like we believe it's sinful to have sex with a heterosexual partner who isn't your spouse. 

 

Part 3-4; The Bible wasn't written yesterday. It's pretty dang old, and as with anything that's old, parts of it are outdated. Maybe the overall message is the same, but through many translations and the expiration of certain things, it's not what it would have been when the last parts were written. At the time, they labeled being gay as a sin, because as I stated previously (and you really didn't seem able to refute) the world was underpopulated. We needed people. And at the time, if it were allowed for anyone to be gay (which would result in no babies) it would slow down production rate. Slavery used to be considered okay in the eyes of the Bible, too. Do you think slavery is tolerable? Do you think we should allow it? No. Didn't think so. The Bible does have an expiration date on parts of it. No, I can't refute that the world was underpopulated, but I still don't know of any verse that explained that homosexuality was sinful BECAUSE it was underpopulated. Again, if you have such a verse, I'd be happy to see it. And about your question on slavery: The bible uses slavery in a very different context than that of, say, early America. It wasn't based on race; instead, one could be a slave if they were a POW, or if they had a debt to pay off. It also establishes a great deal of mutual respect between the slave and the master, not with abusive masters like those of early America. No, I don't think that slavery should be allowed in America today, but it was fine in that social context. But I'm not here to discuss slavery. If you'd like to discuss that with me, feel free to PM me or start a chat. (just do it before tomorrow night though, because I'm taking a break from KH13 after that to focus on schoolwork)

 

Part 5; This is part of what revvs me up. You have to do some thinking instead of believing things with no basis. If God WANTED us to be perfect, then WE WOULD BE. He has the power, wouldn't you say? So if he wanted perfect human beings, then we would all be perfect. Obviously, for some reason we can't understand, he didn't want us to be perfect. You're saying that Eve was perfect. Well clearly she wasn't, because she gave in to the temptation of sin. If God had created us perfect as you just said, then she wouldn't have done that. I'm glad tbh that those kinds of Christians are losing credibility. Because there isn't friction with the LGBT community when Christians act like Christians. The friction is caused by the people who refuse to accept them the way they are, and tell them to turn straight, when God did not intend for them to be straight. I  know quite a few members of the LGBT community who go to church, and NO ONE at their church would dare try to turn them straight, because God loves that person the way they are, and He would never want someone brainwashing his child. I should have rephrased that. God initially created us in a perfect world, but He always gave us a choice (Like the choice He gave Adam and Eve when He showed them the tree). He gave us the choice to do something right or wrong, and very specifically told us the consequences for both. If He didn't give us choices, we would just be like robots, with no freewill. The problem with today is that the consequences are still existent, but people deny (or don't know) that those consequences are there. I agree though, that a Christian should NOT just try to get gays to just change their ways or whatever, especially if the gay one is not open to it in the first place. That area of the gay man or woman's life is between him/her and God. It's not my or anyone's place to try to change that person, unless that person specifically reaches out to us.

Part 6; That also makes me kind of sick to imagine. Those people were flatout brainwashed, and you can't deny it. It would be like a church trying to "heal me through prayer and fellowship" into liking both sexes or something when I didn't. They do a lot worse to those poor people than pray for them and become their friend. If someone who knew they were gay came out of one of those "prayer and fellowship" sessions and proclaimed they were straight, then they were brainwashed. It's not possible for someone to just somehow go, oh, jk, I changed my mind. I'm going to assume you're a boy based on your username, so how would you feel if someone brainwashed you to the point you liked other boys, even if God had made you specifically straight (not that He makes everyone that way). It would be horribly wrong, and if you ever got over the brainwashing, you'd feel violated and awful that they made you feel something that you didn't. (Not that being gay is wrong, but I'm guessing that's how you would feel after being brainwashed in such a way.) You make being homosexual sound like it's a disease. If homosexuality is a disease, then so is heterosexuality. Because people have no control over who they like--it's just who they are as a person, and God made them that way. He isn't sick enough to put a person on the world liking a certain gender, and then telling them that they're wrong. I respectfully ask you not to refer to those people as 'brainwashed'. I've read testimonies of people who were happier than ever, after they were, in your words, "brainwashed". Consider the man whose story is in this link, for example: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/720747/posts He didn't leave homosexuality out of prayer from other people who tried to change him. It was his decision, and he was by no means brainwashed by other people telling him who to be attracted to. Being homosexual isn't a disease. It doesn't necessarily make you a 'bad person'. It's just another struggle that people get burdened with because of our sinful nature, whether they see it as a burden or see it as 'right'. I pray for these people frequently, so that they can find true happiness. 

I'd just like to add that even though acting on homosexuality is a sin, it doesn't make us straight people any better than them, because we are just as sinful. That's why I get frustrated when people seem so willing to call out the LGBT community, when they can't even admit their own problems. 

 

And again, I mean everything I said in the most respectful way possible. I appreciate the fact that you kept your responses respectful, even on the internet, where respect seems so lost these days.  

 

 

 

I need to speak my mind on this issue. I mean no disrespect Jim but I have to agree with Think Pink/Lexi.

 

On top of everything she said, you seem to be assuming a lot of the things you believe God wants or likes. To me, it just seems by being assuming of Him, you're disrespecting the Holy Father as well.

 

That's all I wanted to say.

I can see where you're coming from, but I'd just like to make it clear that I just say what I interpret the bible to be saying. I try not to assume what God wants, but I simply read the bible, and if there's something that God says He wants in the bible, I base my argument off of that. 

[dusk 910]

I hate how people go and marry each other without thinking that marriage means being together until death a parts them. Like people marrying each other right away when they are 18? Then divorcing few years later? Usually because of reason like "There is no more love" shouldn't you have thought about marriage before doing so if the 'love' lasts only few years. It really just bugs me how people do this and it seems like they haven't thought about marriage before doing so. 

 

I also can't understand when people tend to say that rap is very rhythmic. Generally what rap is about is basic rhythms and speeding those up to make it seem very complex. I don't say that rap is bad, but it being very rhythmic is wrong, it seems that people mix rhythmic up with outgoing. 

[Jim 2,990]

I hate how people go and marry each other without thinking that marriage means being together until death a parts them. Like people marrying each other right away when they are 18? Then divorcing few years later? Usually because of reason like "There is no more love" shouldn't you have thought about marriage before doing so if the 'love' lasts only few years. It really just bugs me how people do this and it seems like they haven't thought about marriage before doing so. 

Actually, I met a middle aged woman that said her husband proposed to her after only knowing her for three weeks when they were young. They're still married today. How about that, huh? But yeah, I agree with you otherwise.

[dusk 910]

Actually, I met a middle aged woman that said her husband proposed to her after only knowing her for three weeks when they were young. They're still married today. How about that, huh? But yeah, I agree with you otherwise.

 

 

There is expections, but you get my point that those are pretty rare if you ask me.

Edited December 1, 2012 by dusk

[Jim 2,990]

There is expectations (did you mean exceptions?), but you get my point that those are pretty rare if you ask me.

Oh, I get your point, completely. And yeah, people think marriage is just something to be rushed into when it isn't. Can you say, "Kardashian"? 

I have a lot of friends who have divorced parents because of that. It's sad.

[dusk 910]

Oh, I get your point, completely. And yeah, people think marriage is just something to be rushed into when it isn't. Can you say, "Kardashian"? 

I have a lot of friends who have divorced parents because of that. It's sad.

 

Oh thanks for correction. 

Some of my friends have a lot of problems for their parents divorcing so that is one of the reason it bugs me so much : / Also one of my friends who is older than me married his 'boyfriend of dreams' right after they both were 18 and that marriage lasted like little bit over year. Now my friend is often very depressed and I really don't know how I could help her...  

[TheApprenticeofKingMickey 3,689]

Okay, I think we've had enough of a general discussion on this subject. If you guys want to continue, you can contact one another personally.

[Koko 3,944]

religion should grow and change with the times, not stay 199008908 years in the past and expect everyone to follow 

[Dracozombie 4,554]

religion should grow and change with the times, not stay 199008908 years in the past and expect everyone to follow 

 

Part of the point of religion is to maintain tradition.  As far as I can tell, it's not supposed to change.  It's the people who should.

[Jim 2,990]

Part of the point of religion is to maintain tradition.  As far as I can tell, it's not supposed to change.  It's the people who should.

I was thinking of responding to the last comment, but this pretty much hit the nail on the head. Besides, when I've seen people 'modernizing' churches or stuff like that, it usually just ends up causing problems.