The Unpopular Opinions Thread

[Yuya Sakaki 5,212]

You can look around the world and have a subjective opinion about it. You can see God, you can see life, you can see dirt, you can see bricks, everyone sees everything differently. There are always going to be two sides to something like religion. Those who believe in it, and those who don't. Same reason why there are different religions with different Gods and such, since not everyone is 100% exactly sure whether or not their religion is factual, they only believe so. That is why its a belief. There can also be people who don't believe in religion, that is a belief too. There isn't a right or wrong answer, its just what you believe.

 

 

 

 

Its through science, which has been used quite often. Even the pope acknowledges that science is right, he acknowledges that the big bang did happen.

A lot of other religious authorities have agreed with science. My teacher who is also a priest believes that Science is "the way to figure out how God made the universe".

Just take out the religious part and you got what most atheists use to explain their surroundings.

Okay, I get what you're saying (which is actually proving my point further). I know that science is the lens in which God almighty gave humankind to understand His universe. I get that. I NEVER once said that science is wrong; matter of fact, I love science! It's so phenomenal. But how are all these scientific processes happening? Surely it can't be nothing subjecting those processes to act. It's like claiming that a painting was painted without an artist, or that a building was made without builders. People view these processes and say that there's no divine source that's behind it all. That is ultimately what I'm trying to get at. Doesn't that baffle you at all? It's just simple logic.

 

And yes, I get there are different beliefs out there. That doesn't mean I don't question them though. It's a balloon of knowledge. The more you know, the more you begin to question the things around you. That's how humans are meant to function.

 

Peace!

[Shana09 5,769]

Okay, I get what you're saying (which is actually proving my point further). I know that science is the lens in which God almighty gave humankind to understand His universe. I get that. I NEVER once said that science is wrong; matter of fact, I love science! It's so phenomenal. But how are all these scientific processes happening? Surely it can't be nothing subjecting those processes to act. It's like claiming that a painting was painted without an artist, or that a building was made without builders. People view these processes and say that there's no divine source that's behind it all. That is ultimately what I'm trying to get at. Doesn't that baffle you at all? It's just simple logic.

 

And yes, I get there are different beliefs out there. That doesn't mean I don't question them though. It's a balloon of knowledge. The more you know, the more you begin to question the things around you. That's how humans are meant to function.

 

Peace!

 

You see you say that, but saying its "simple logic" is kind of condescending to those who don't believe there is a divine involvement. There are atheists who can say the same thing back, it just sounds offensive.

But to answer your question, we just don't believe it. We haven't seen such divine involvement happening so we don't believe it. Science also doesn't believe so either, or at least they don't say by the very least. 

 

Think of it like a painting. You see the painting one way, and I see the painting the other way. Its the same subject, but with different perspectives.

[Aru Akise 2,540]

I believe in God and yet I think it is stupid to be saying "it is simple logic".

 

I can read Japanese. You can't.

Can I say to you: oh wow, you can't even read this? It is simple logic.

[Yuya Sakaki 5,212]

I believe in God and yet I think it is stupid to be saying "it is simple logic". I can read Japanese. You can't.Can I say to you: oh wow, you can't even read this? It is simple logic.

...what?Peace!

[Dracozombie 4,554]

 So how have you made sense of the world without religious context? I'm just interested to know. You claim to have thought this through so please enlighten me on the subject.Peace!

 

 

Okay, I get what you're saying (which is actually proving my point further). I know that science is the lens in which God almighty gave humankind to understand His universe. I get that. I NEVER once said that science is wrong; matter of fact, I love science! It's so phenomenal. But how are all these scientific processes happening? Surely it can't be nothing subjecting those processes to act. It's like claiming that a painting was painted without an artist, or that a building was made without builders. People view these processes and say that there's no divine source that's behind it all. That is ultimately what I'm trying to get at. Doesn't that baffle you at all? It's just simple logic.And yes, I get there are different beliefs out there. That doesn't mean I don't question them though. It's a balloon of knowledge. The more you know, the more you begin to question the things around you. That's how humans are meant to function.Peace!

 

Well, I'm not like the atheists who were once religious (often devoutly so), but overtime found holes in the belief system that made them question the whole thing, and eventually renounce it. For me, religion never played a factor in my life one way or the other. I was never taught to believe or disbelieve -- it was never present to begin with. So, I grew up experiencing life without framing anything within the context of religion or a god. Not only have I never gained any evidence that [insert your faith here] is the truth, I eventually realized I don't need religion to navigate through life. I learned good and bad through the consequences of my actions. We're human beings who understand pain. Even someone who grows up never learning about a religion will feel bad if they make someone cry, and will feel happy if someone else is happy. I know how to appreciate the beauty of nature, enjoy a tasty sammich, listen to good music, and help your fellow man, without needing anyone telling me some mysterious entity is responsible for it all.

 

When I was a kid I believed in heaven and hell, but in a more generic "good people go to heaven, bad people go to hell" frame. I didn't really understand any of the formal teachings, because I was never exposed to them. Now as an adult, I can see the many offshoots of Christianity who all claim to have the ultimate truth. Each sect will claim to be right and the others flawed, so it's hard to believe any of them have the truth when so many other organizations say the same thing.

 

Atheists value science over faith because it focuses on what can actually be proven. It's not "simple logic" to assume a god is behind it all. Scientists don't claim to have all the answers, but they do believe it's out there somewhere, even if our technology or even humanity can never comprehend it. No, we might not even know how the universe formed or why all these scientific processes happen. But, that doesn't point to your god in specific. It just means we don't know. That's why we value what we can test and prove, on objective evidence. It's not "simple logic" to assume it's a work of a god -- your God in particular. We don't operate on faith. In fact, we think it's damaging. It encourages not asking questions, and it can be warped to suit someone's own ends. I can claim to have "faith" that the world will end tomorrow (or, hell, that you're not secretly a 42-year-old principal spying on your students), but that doesn't make it true. If you're gonna make the claim that god is behind it all, the skeptics in us who value science will ask for evidence. We're not seeing that evidence.

[Ghost 1,857]

*getting lots of notifications from this thread*

 

*wondering who firetrucked up now*

[Yuya Sakaki 5,212]

Well I have realised that in the end you can't use rational means to prove the existence of a divine authority. You have to feel it spiritually in order to truly understand. And I must admit it was very interesting seeing your points of view, Shana, Dracozombie. I understand that we all have different beliefs and I'm not shoving my beliefs down your throats (even though it may seem like it, but believe me that's nothing.)

 

Please understand this point: yes we all have different perspectives, but there has to be something out there that seems logical and makes sense. So I ask you this: From an atheist perspective, which religion seems the most logical to you and why?

 

Peace!

[Ghost 1,857]

Well I have realised that in the end you can't use rational means to prove the existence of a divine authority. You have to feel it spiritually in order to truly understand. And I must admit it was very interesting seeing your points of view, Shana, Dracozombie. I understand that we all have different beliefs and I'm not shoving my beliefs down your throats (even though it may seem like it, but believe me that's nothing.)Please understand this point: yes we all have different perspectives, but there has to be something out there that seems logical and makes sense. So I ask you this: From an atheist perspective, which religion seems the most logical to you and why?Peace!

logical religion? me worshipping food thats the only fukkin logical-ass religion.

[Yuya Sakaki 5,212]

logical religion? me worshipping food thats the only fukkin logical-ass religion.

Why can't I get a serious answer? >.>Peace!

[Shana09 5,769]

Well I have realised that in the end you can't use rational means to prove the existence of a divine authority. You have to feel it spiritually in order to truly understand. And I must admit it was very interesting seeing your points of view, Shana, Dracozombie. I understand that we all have different beliefs and I'm not shoving my beliefs down your throats (even though it may seem like it, but believe me that's nothing.)

 

Please understand this point: yes we all have different perspectives, but there has to be something out there that seems logical and makes sense. So I ask you this: From an atheist perspective, which religion seems the most logical to you and why?

 

Peace!

 

None...? You are asking people who don't believe in God which religion, which all believe in God, is considered "logical". To me, deep down, they are all the same. Believe in a God(s) and pray to him and such. There are traditions for it, and each God has contributed to the universe in one way or another.

 

Atheists don't believe in any of that, so I don't think any atheist would find any religion "logical" in that way.

 

Just to leave it out there, I'm an agnostic atheist, not a pure atheist.

[Dracozombie 4,554]

Well I have realised that in the end you can't use rational means to prove the existence of a divine authority. You have to feel it spiritually in order to truly understand. And I must admit it was very interesting seeing your points of view, Shana, Dracozombie. I understand that we all have different beliefs and I'm not shoving my beliefs down your throats (even though it may seem like it, but believe me that's nothing.)Please understand this point: yes we all have different perspectives, but there has to be something out there that seems logical and makes sense. So I ask you this: From an atheist perspective, which religion seems the most logical to you and why?Peace!

 

Problem is atheists don't find religion any religion logical, in the sense of what answers those religions give. Like you said, you can't use rational means to prove the existence of divine authority -- that's precisely the problem we have. We can't use rationality to explain it, so we can't call the answer logical. Logic implies reaching a conclusion based around rational concrete evidence, and an atheist's conclusion from the evidence they see doesn't point to divinity. I do believe there's something out there that we don't (yet) understand that explains everything, but we don't see the logic in how a Christian god did it. Following that train of thought, we can't see any religion as anymore logical as, say, a food-worshiping religion.

 

Religion can make sense spiritually, but making sense of the concrete world through a religion's specific god? Atheists don't see it.

[Ghost 1,857]

Why can't I get a serious answer? >.>Peace!

but...but...

 

fooood.... ; - ;

[Xiro 3,468]

Food 4ever

That is all

[HeyMouseSayCheese 1,133]

Bohemian Rhapsody is Queen's worst song.

[Ghost 1,857]

i really hate how when someone expresses their dislike for a person, others assume its jealousy. like um no, lol, get over yourself. i have every right to hate some bitch and i cant think of a god damned reason id want to be her - who likes being fake?

[Aru Akise 2,540]

i really hate how when someone expresses their dislike for a person, others assume its jealousy. like um no, lol, get over yourself. i have every right to hate some bitch and i cant think of a god damned reason id want to be her - who likes being fake?

bitch be jealous of mah awesome nails, bitch be hatin'

 

 

 

 

 

[Shana09 5,769]

bitch be jealous of mah awesome nails, bitch be hatin'

 

 

 

 

 

 

Girl are you sure you ain't growing teeth instead?

[hatok 6,413]

99% of controversial opinions aren't controversial at all

[LeYenrz 276]

99% of controversial opinions aren't controversial at all

Isn't it the people that discuss opinions decide whether its controversial or not?

[Lady Aleister 1,677]

Options of Neko:

 

Narcissist are happier people. I am a Narcissist therefore I am happier.

 

People who think they are better than everyone else need to go bury themselves alive. I KNOW I am not better than everyone else.

 

DANG PAJAMAS SHOULD BE ALLOWED IN SCHOOL CAUSE I WANNA WEAR THEM WHEN I FEEL BAD.

 

Sword Art Online is literally the freaking worst anime.

 

Lolicons need to be arrested.

 

People who use people younger then them for nothing but sex need to be registered sex offenders.

 

NightCore is hell on earth.

 

Woman should not be sexualized.

 

Girls are not meant to be used as sex toys.

 

Don't judge a man if he is crying, cheer him up. MEN CRY TOO.

 

ANYONE who loves echii needs to jump off a cliff.

 

 

WHAT IS WRONG WITH GAY MARRIAGE?! GAY PEOPLE ARE AWESOME!!

Edited April 14, 2015 by Neko-chan

[Shana09 5,769]

Options of Neko:

 

Narcissist are happier people. I am a Narcissist therefore I am happier.

 

People who think they are better than everyone else need to go bury themselves alive. I KNOW I am not better than everyone else.

 

DANG PAJAMAS SHOULD BE ALLOWED IN SCHOOL CAUSE I WANNA WEAR THEM WHEN I FEEL BAD.

 

Sword Art Online is literally the freaking worst anime.

 

Lolicons need to be arrested.

 

People who use people younger then them for nothing but sex need to be registered sex offenders.

 

NightCore is hell on earth.

 

Woman should not be sexualized.

 

Girls are not meant to be used as sex toys.

 

Don't judge a man if he is crying, cheer him up. MEN CRY TOO.

 

ANYONE who loves echii needs to jump off a cliff.

 

 

WHAT IS WRONG WITH GAY MARRIAGE?! GAY PEOPLE ARE AWESOME!!

 

That's a weird set of options for a person...

[Kittenz 4,281]

The bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was a disgusting war crime, possibly fuelled by racism, as some have theorised that they wouldn't do it if it were white people they were killing. (One evidence to that is that they moved their position because they didn't want to kill french captives. And all that racist propaganda doesn't help the case.)

 

Basically, How anyone can justify doing this to innocent people, mainly women and children(Statistically, there were barely any men there):

 

 

 

 

 

Is beyond me.

 

What takes the cake is the pilot who did it says in an interview he has no remorse for doing what he did. You killed thousands of animals and human kids and mothers, gave them horrible, painful, disfiguring injuries and firetrucked the environment and you have no remorse for that? Wow.....please go firetruck yourself and your medal that you did not deserve because you talk like a murderer who has no remorse for killing their victim. 

 

 

'''OH but your australian what about darwin and america pearl harbour ge bleh bleh bleh '''

 

Yes, that was very bad, and those events make me very sad as well, But they didn't use the cruellest and most dangerous weapon known to man

Nothing justifies an atom bomb to me. Nothing. It is pure evil.

 

I believe every country in WWII was evil. All did horrible things and there are no ''winners'' in war. Any war. It's not a game. To call yourself a ''winner'' is to spit on the graves of peoples sons and daughters you have killed. There are mothers that will never see them again. Regardless if it was their choice, you have killed somebody's kid, or someones father, or brother...

 

Soldiers may do noble things, but that doesn't stop the fact that they are still murderers. Yes, the people they kill may be ''the bad guys'' but many of the people they kill are simply young and foolish, and were brought up that way. Perhaps brainwashed to think it was the only was the only way to help their families. 

 

But no, apparently everything just has to be seen as black or white.....

 

I believe in forgiveness, especially since it was so long ago, but it angers me when people try to justify doing that to a small child or any innocent person or animal.

 

There are still people living with those horrible injuries today, too, which means for their whole life they have had to deal with that pain. I cannot even begin to imagine the suffering.

Edited April 19, 2015 by KittensOnFire

[Geralt 4,874]

The bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was a disgusting war crime, possibly fuelled by racism, as some have theorised that they wouldn't do it if it were white people they were killing. (One evidence to that is that they moved their position because they didn't want to kill french captives. And all that racist propaganda doesn't help the case.)

 

Basically, How anyone can justify doing this to innocent people, mainly women and children(Statistically, there were barely any men there):

 

 

 

 

 

Is beyond me.

 

What takes the cake is the pilot who did it says in an interview he has no remorse for doing what he did. You killed thousands of animals and human kids and mothers, gave them horrible, painful, disfiguring injuries and firetrucked the environment and you have no remorse for that? Wow.....please go firetruck yourself and your medal that you did not deserve because you talk like a murderer who has no remorse for killing their victim. 

 

 

'''OH but your australian what about darwin and america pearl harbour ge bleh bleh bleh '''

 

Yes, that was very bad, and those events make me very sad as well, But they didn't use the cruellest and most dangerous weapon known to man

Nothing justifies an atom bomb to me. Nothing. It is pure evil.

 

I believe every country in WWII was evil. All did horrible things and there are no ''winners'' in war. Any war. It's not a game. To call yourself a ''winner'' is to spit on the graves of peoples sons and daughters you have killed. There are mothers that will never see them again. Regardless if it was there choice, you have killed somebody's kid, or someones father, or brother...

 

Soldiers may do noble things, but that doesn't stop the fact that they are still murderers. Yes, the people they kill may be ''the bad guys'' but many of the people they kill are simply young and foolish, and were brought up that way. Perhaps brainwashed to think it was the only was the only way to help their families. 

 

But no, apparently everything just has to be seen as black or white.....

 

inb4 I get some patriotic american who has been taught they're the good guys saying I'm wrong despite the evidence otherwise

FINALLY ! Somebody who thinks this too. Thank you. I dunno about the whole racism bit though, but I do find those bombings disgusting. How can anyone find this to be okay? There were definitely other alternatives they could have used instead of killings hundreds of thousands of innocent people, and animals, and probably destroying some awesome historical stuff to Japan. Just...how could anyone have even taken such an order to do that? War sucks. I can't see how humans can be okay with killing other humans, or how people can train animals to take part in our stupid human wars & how people kill those animals too because of that. Eghh.

Edited April 19, 2015 by Rainbow Dash

[Kittenz 4,281]

FINALLY ! Somebody who thinks this too. Thank you. I dunno about the whole racism bit though, but I do find those bombings disgusting. How can anyone find this to be okay? There were definitely other alternatives they could have used instead of killings hundreds of thousands of innocent people, and animals, and probably destroying some awesome historical stuff to Japan. Just...how could anyone have even taken such an order to do that? War sucks. I can't see how humans can be okay with killing other humans, or how people can train animals to take part in our stupid human wars & how people kill those animals too because of that. Eghh.

I don't know either, but, people were pretty racist in the 1940's/50's and there were very mean and stereotypical posters made about Japanese people at the time as war propaganda. Japanese-Americans in the states were forced from their homes into internment camp areas despite being as american as anyone else. The american government later paid them reparations, but still. Being forced out of your home because your parents are Japanese  D: Little kids would have been so scared and confused ;_;

 

Yeah Whenever I see war stuff on the news it makes me pretty sad.

 

 I hope to visit the Hiroshima peace memorial one day and lay flowers there. 

[Geralt 4,874]

I don't know either, but, people were pretty racist in the 1940's/50's and there were very mean and stereotypical posters made about Japanese people at the time as war propaganda. Japanese-Americans in the states were forced from their homes into internment camp areas despite being as american as anyone else. The american government later paid them reparations, but still. Being forced out of your home because your parents are Japanese  D: Little kids would have been so scared and confused ;_;

 

Yeah Whenever I see war stuff on the news it makes me pretty sad.

 

 I hope to visit the Hiroshima peace memorial one day and lay flowers there. 

Yeah, people were quite racist at that time. Poor people. They didn't deserve that. I don't see how reparations could even make up for all of that. Must have been awful. It makes me pretty sad as well.I would like to lay flowers at the Hiroshima peace memorial as well. Would ease my mind a little to be able to do that.