Returning "Bodies"

[Mysterious_Figure_Vanitas 3]

When the Heart that was devoured by darkness is destroyed, and the body and soul are annihilated, apparently the Somebody is recreated, right? Some people are saying that they have to be destroyed in that order. Where exactly does it confirm about order? If order does not matter, then that would mean the return of all Organization XIII members. Of course, this can only be possible if their Heartless' are indeed destroyed. I've been wondering if some of the bigger Heartless bosses are in fact the Heartless' of the Organization, and Nomura has been hiding it from us. But, it's probably unlikely.

 

There are still certain conditions that we don't know about yet. Like, what happens when Unversed-creating beings, like Vanitas, are defeated. His Lingering Spirit appeared as a secret boss in Birth by Sleep, but nobody can be sure that he'll be important in the future. But, then again, Terra's Lingering Sentiment appeared before Sora, thinking that he was Xehanort, but had made a mistake. If Vanitas gained an alternate form, then what about Ven?

 

Armor of the Master - Eraqus

No Heart - Xehanort

Lingering Spirit - Vanitas

Mysterious Figure - Ven?

 

It seems as if anybody that dies in Kingdom Hearts, becomes a Lingering something. I know somebody else made a post about Ven being the Mysterious Figure, but it's a high possibility that it is him, compared to other ideas. The mysterious data that Ansem the Wise put into Sora, during his sleep at Castle Oblivion, is a way to either help Sora defeat Xehanort, and/or help those beings currently in torment. Ven was locked away in Castle Oblivion, no? A lot of the Mysterious Figure's techniques belong to those Organization members in Castle Oblivion. Some of those members were talking about taking over, right? Perhaps Ansem the Wise found Ven? I know that sounds unlikely, but maybe he found Aqua's Keyblade, which Xemnas kept alongside Aqua's armor, in Radiant Garden. What if Ansem used the remaining data of Castle Oblivion to make a new vessel from Ven's body? It's possible data still exists in the world that never was, unless it was destroyed, I can't seem to remember.

 

This data could of been put into Sora, or it could of manifested into an alternate form. The Mysterious Figure could be something like the Data Riku projection of Jiminy's Journal. Is there a term for that? It's possible that MF could be defined in that catagory.

 

Thoughts?

 

And for those who counter my post with "How can Ven fight Ven?" Remember, the Mysterious Figure is canon, but it's possible that the situation isn't. Just like in KHII Final Mix, the situation of Sora fighting Terra LS is an optional secret boss battle, meaning that it probably didn't happen. Mysterious Figure will probably return with the same moves, never had met Terra, Aqua, or Ven, and probably return as a much easier main boss of the next game he appears in. How can Ven fight Ven? Time Travel. Deny it all you want. Time Travel is an element of the fight against him, so it's a very high possiblity that MF can indeed Time Travel. MF probably didn't time travel as a main part of the story, since extra bosses are mainly just for fun.

[Tails 6,692]

When the Heart that was devoured by darkness is destroyed, and the body and soul are annihilated, apparently the Somebody is recreated, right? Some people are saying that they have to be destroyed in that order. Where exactly does it confirm about order?

It was confirmed in one pf Tetsuya's interviews as well as the Re:Coded secret ending.

 

If order does not matter, then that would mean the return of all Organization XIII members. Of course, this can only be possible if their Heartless' are indeed destroyed. I've been wondering if some of the bigger Heartless bosses are in fact the Heartless' of the Organization, and Nomura has been hiding it from us. But, it's probably unlikely.

Well, we really don't kbow what "somebodies" from the Organization will return other than Axel's former self, Lea. And Xemnas's former self, Terranort (or just Terra and Master Xehanort). So we'll just have to wait and find out. Plus, it was never really revealed as to what Heartless the Nobdies had. So that leaves us at a big question mark with who will return.

 

There are still certain conditions that we don't know about yet. Like, what happens when Unversed-creating beings, like Vanitas, are defeated.

Actually, after the Unversed were defeated they just go back into Vanitas only just to be reborn again. But the Unverse were truly defeated after the defeat of Vanitas, since he was the main source of the Unverse.

 

His Lingering Spirit appeared as a secret boss in Birth by Sleep, but nobody can be sure that he'll be important in the future.

It's been confirmed the Vanitas's Remnant is canon to the series. So we might see Vanitas again at some point in the KH series.

 

 

But, then again, Terra's Lingering Sentiment appeared before Sora, thinking that he was Xehanort, but had made a mistake. If Vanitas gained an alternate form, then what about Ven?

Ven won't gain any "alternate forms" he'll most likely stilk be in his BBS outfit.

 

Armor of the Master - Eraqus

No Heart - Xehanort

Lingering Spirit - Vanitas

Mysterious Figure - Ven?

Armor of the Master and No Heart aren't canon to the series since they are in the Mirage Arena.

 

It seems as if anybody that dies in Kingdom Hearts, becomes a Lingering something. I know somebody else made a post about Ven being the Mysterious Figure, but it's a high possibility that it is him, compared to other ideas.

I doubt MF is Ven's lingering Sentiment. Also, Ven never "died.

 

The mysterious data that Ansem the Wise put into Sora, during his sleep at Castle Oblivion, is a way to either help Sora defeat Xehanort, and/or help those beings currently in torment. Ven was locked away in Castle Oblivion, no?

Yeah, only 2 questions are "What did DiZ put inside Sora" and "When will Ven wake up".

 

A lot of the Mysterious Figure's techniques belong to those Organization members in Castle Oblivion.

Well, they look similiar yes. But not just from C.O. but from the other members of tje Organization as well. But who knows how he obtained those powers.

 

Perhaps Ansem the Wise found Ven?

He would have to know where Ven's body is and where the chamber of Awakening is. The only person who knows their way around C.O. is Aqua. So I'm sure Ansem the Wise doesn't have Ven.

 

I know that sounds unlikely, but maybe he found Aqua's Keyblade, which Xemnas kept alongside Aqua's armor, in Radiant Garden. What if Ansem used the remaining data of Castle Oblivion to make a new vessel from Ven's body? It's possible data still exists in the world that never was, unless it was destroyed, I can't seem to remember.

AtW doesn't even know Ventus nor does he know him at all.

[TheKingdomkid 1,194]

when was it confirmed that Vanitias Reminats is cannon to the series?

[Mysterious_Figure_Vanitas 3]

@KingdomHearts125

1. When does it clarify about order in the trailer? Yen Sid says them in the order: Heartless, Nobody, but he doesn't actually say "order."

 

2. I agree with the fact that it isn't a fact on who's really returning or not.

 

3. I wasn't talking about the Unversed themselves, just Vanitas. I meant that we don't know if anything else can be born when one of the Light or Dark beings are destroyed.

 

4. I'm glad that Vanitas' Spirit is canon.

 

5. How can you be positive about Ven not gaining an alternate form. Both Ven's heart and Vanitas left Ven's body, and Ven's shell was left behind.

[Tails 6,692]

when was it confirmed that Vanitias Reminats is cannon to the series?

 

In a interview with Tetsuya Nomura. but i can't remember when the interiew was released. I think it was around when either the Eng version of BBS came out or the Jap version.

 

@KingdomHearts125

1. When does it clarify about order in the trailer? Yen Sid says them in the order: Heartless, Nobody, but he doesn't actually say "order."

I belive he explains that here.

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. How can you be positive about Ven not gaining an alternate form. Both Ven's heart and Vanitas left Ven's body, and Ven's shell was left behind.

Well, it just really seems to fit Ven very well. Since he morely resembles Sora and Roxas in both appearence and personality. Half his clothes resembles Sora's KH2 clothes, and the other half of his clothes resembles Roxas. So like I said, Ven's clothes really seems to fit him with his personality and appearence.

 

4. I'm glad that Vanitas' Spirit is canon.

Vanitas FTW!!! He shall NEVER die X). Long live Vanitas .

 

3. I wasn't talking about the Unversed themselves, just Vanitas. I meant that we don't know if anything else can be born when one of the Light or Dark beings are destroyed.

Well, Vanitas's Remnent has been created after Vanitas's defeat. So maybe that will give you, and everyone as well, the answer hopefully. I just wonder what role the Remnent will play

[keystrike 145]

When the Heart that was devoured by darkness is destroyed, and the body and soul are annihilated, apparently the Somebody is recreated, right? Some people are saying that they have to be destroyed in that order. Where exactly does it confirm about order? If order does not matter, then that would mean the return of all Organization XIII members. Of course, this can only be possible if their Heartless' are indeed destroyed. I've been wondering if some of the bigger Heartless bosses are in fact the Heartless' of the Organization, and Nomura has been hiding it from us. But, it's probably unlikely.

 

There are still certain conditions that we don't know about yet. Like, what happens when Unversed-creating beings, like Vanitas, are defeated. His Lingering Spirit appeared as a secret boss in Birth by Sleep, but nobody can be sure that he'll be important in the future. But, then again, Terra's Lingering Sentiment appeared before Sora, thinking that he was Xehanort, but had made a mistake. If Vanitas gained an alternate form, then what about Ven?

 

The unversed return to vanitas, not much else. His sentiment might bear importance in a future title due to conections to the mysterious figure. What do you mean by an alternate form?

 

Armor of the Master - Eraqus

No Heart - Xehanort

Lingering Spirit - Vanitas

Mysterious Figure - Ven?

 

The idea of the mysterious figure being Ven is extremely flawed compared to xehaonrt. Also, Armor of the master and No heart were just reproduceable data; nothing cannon about them.

 

It seems as if anybody that dies in Kingdom Hearts, becomes a Lingering something. I know somebody else made a post about Ven being the Mysterious Figure, but it's a high possibility that it is him, compared to other ideas (how so? cause I am only seeing reason to not think this). The mysterious data that Ansem the Wise put into Sora, during his sleep at Castle Oblivion, is a way to either help Sora defeat Xehanort, and/or help those beings currently in torment. Ven was locked away in Castle Oblivion, no? A lot of the Mysterious Figure's techniques belong to those Organization members in Castle Oblivion(Not really, I mean, there is marluxia with his lasers, whirlwind, and doom, but to a very slight stretch of the imagination they could be the same as almost all of the characters that we have used). Some of those members were talking about taking over, right? Perhaps Ansem the Wise found Ven? I know that sounds unlikely, but maybe he found Aqua's Keyblade, which Xemnas kept alongside Aqua's armor, in Radiant Garden. What if Ansem used the remaining data of Castle Oblivion to make a new vessel from Ven's body? It's possible data still exists in the world that never was, unless it was destroyed, I can't seem to remember.

 

I'll just leave my thoughts on the last part unlikely but possible. and I agree that they have to do something with the chambers.

 

This data could of been put into Sora, or it could of manifested into an alternate form. The Mysterious Figure could be something like the Data Riku projection of Jiminy's Journal. Is there a term for that? It's possible that MF could be defined in that catagory.

 

I like this idea, but the in the case this is what he is, he should still have a greater connection to the emotional part of the story.

 

Thoughts?

 

And for those who counter my post with "How can Ven fight Ven?" Remember, the Mysterious Figure is canon, but it's possible that the situation isn't(I thought I read that it was a possible situation, but it never cannonically happens. However, I honestly don't know). Just like in KHII Final Mix, the situation of Sora fighting Terra LS is an optional secret boss battle, meaning that it probably didn't happen. Mysterious Figure will probably return with the same moves, never had met Terra, Aqua, or Ven, and probably return as a much easier main boss of the next game he appears in. How can Ven fight Ven? Time Travel. Deny it all you want. Time Travel is an element of the fight against him, so it's a very high possiblity that MF can indeed Time Travel. MF probably didn't time travel as a main part of the story, since extra bosses are mainly just for fun.

 

Hold on just a sec what you said is WAY off... the mysterious figure is obviously not a fun boss fight.

 

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[Mysterious_Figure_Vanitas 3]

lol. He is fun at first, but sucks everytime afterwards. I've only beaten him 3 times. lol. But what happens, happens. I guess the big question is, when MF isn't a mystery anymore, will we like him as much? I'm on board!

[zeno247naruto12 5]

F*** that bullcrap about MF being ven that really drives me crazy there's the lack of height attacks ven cant use know what just forget it

[AnHeiressofaSOLDIER 358]

So, am I the only one that wants to meet more beings like Scar's ghost? To me he seemed sort of like a Sentiment. "A being with no body. It is created when the evil heart of Scar meets the hesitating heart of Simba." "This world, it is full of many such things." - Rafiki

 

I think this might be something cool to explore. Especially since Rafiki makes it seem like there are a ton of beings like that in their world. And you know, it's similar to a Heartless (like Goofy says) and a Sentiment, but is different somehow. I don't think anyone really knew what it was. I'd rather face something like this than new bosses that create more plot holes. But maybe that's just me.

[Rob 5,571]

Armor of the Master and No Heart are not canon, which KH125 answered. He pretty much answered everything, so I won't go into them.

 

@KH125

 

It was in an interview after BBS came out in America. I remember that.

[Space Cowboy 1,392]

I can see where yo are going with the Vanitas Spirit/MF thing ...it actually kind of makes sense now that I think about it.

I've always noticed that the VS and MF had some sort of connection, but you pointed out something big that I hadn't thought about.

 

When Terra's body was taken over, he left his angry thoughts and feelings behind. And now that I think about, Ventus got taken over the exact same way Terra did, more or less. What if he did leave something behind before he got taken over?

 

As for the Vanitas Spirit, I believe that's exactly what he is. A spirit, left behind by his defeat.

Oddly enough, he is the only LS that speaks during battle.

[HydratedTadpole 4]

Perhaps Ansem the Wise found Ven? I know that sounds unlikely, but maybe he found Aqua's Keyblade, which Xemnas kept alongside Aqua's armor, in Radiant Garden.

 

She used Master Eraqus's Keyblade to change Castle Oblivion and hide Ven, so I guess you have to use it to find him aswell.

 

[HydratedTadpole 4]

 

Ven won't gain any "alternate forms" he'll most likely stilk be in his BBS outfit.

 

What about Riku? He gained an alternate form so maybe Ven could.