KH2 Xemnas, keyblade? *spoilers*

[TheOriginalBob 110]

A lil thought i'd been having, we all know Xemnas is the nobody of Xehanort. And that Xehanort is Terra and Master Xehanort combined, both keyblade wielders. So if Roxas can wield a keyblade being Sora's nobody, how is it Xemnas can't wield one being Xehanort's nobody? He still has some memory of past events, remembering Aqua through her armour etc. How is it Xemnas can't wield a keyblade?

[Wuver 920]

That is interesting actually. He is xehanorts nobody... Well in BBS secret episode, didnt MX lose Terras control? Its really confusing. Maybe Nomura will explain later on

[Zexion123 2]

Xemnas doesn't have a heart. You need a heart to wield a keyblade. Roxas had Ven

[Tails 6,692]

Because back when he was Apprentice Xehanort he had no memory of how to summon and use the keyblade. Thanks to the fact that Xehanort locked both Terra's and his own heart when he possessed Terra's body. Which caused him to lose both memories during the process. Which is why Apprentice Xehanort doesn't remember how. As for Roxas, it's true that he was able to weild the keyblade dispite the fact that he had no memories of his former self. But it's mostly because he is the nobody of Sora. And it's also said that it's because of Ven's heart residing in Roxas. Which is also causing him to weild the keyblade.

[TheOriginalBob 110]

True, i'd figure you'd need a heart as the keyblade picks those with strong hearts too. But then whats the explanation for lingering sentiments? Such as Vanitas and even Terra himself, can't say they have hearts too.

[Keyblader 325]

A lil thought i'd been having' date=' we all know Xemnas is the nobody of Xehanort. And that Xehanort is Terra and Master Xehanort combined, both keyblade wielders. So if Roxas can wield a keyblade being Sora's nobody, how is it Xemnas can't wield one being Xehanort's nobody? He still has some memory of past events, remembering Aqua through her armour etc. How is it Xemnas can't wield a keyblade?

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Well recall that Sora took in Ventus' heart during Birth By Sleep, if you haven't seen that, then I'll post the scene on this post in a bit. When Sora used the Keyblade of People's Hearts to release Kairi's heart from inside of him, you recall that his heart was released in the process, making a Heartless (which you get to play as) and Nobody, Roxas. Originally, Roxas should have looked like Sora, because Roxas is the body of Sora. However, when Sora released his heart Ventus' heart stayed behind in Roxas and affected how he looked. When Roxas defeated Xion, he ended up absorbing her, and that triggered something that allowed Roxas to wield another Keyblade.

 

For all we know, Xemnas doesn't have a heart inside of him like Roxas, and you need a heart to wield a Keyblade (Aside from many other things.), so that may be why he can't wield one.

 

 

Xemnas doesn't have a heart. You need a heart to wield a keyblade. Roxas had Ven

[Tails 6,692]

True, i'd figure you'd need a heart as the keyblade picks those with strong hearts too. But then whats the explanation for lingering sentiments? Such as Vanitas and even Terra himself, can't say they have hearts too.

 

The reason why Terra's Lingering Sentiment is able to weild Terra's keyblade is because it has Terra's mind. Which is why he has access to it. Same goes for Vanitas Remnent.

[TheOriginalBob 110]

Well in that case, Sora sharing Ventus's heart is quite similar to Master Xehanort taking control of Terras, 2 hearts, one body. And if Xehanort losing his heart to darkness and becoming Ansem SOD and Xemnas, not all disimilar to Sora, ok brought on by a keyblade made from hearts of light, still resulting in a heartless/nobody. Its all too complex. Id still say Roxas did kinda look like Sora. I dunno, maybe all things will become clear down the line, but the way the story is written so far i can't see why Xemnas can't wield a Keyblade if Roxas can. :S

[Keyblader 325]

Id still say Roxas did kinda look like Sora.

 

I honestly don't see how people see any similarities other than the fact that they both have spiky hair and blue eyes, it just doesn't make any sense.

[Rob 5,571]

Thanks to the fact that Xehanort locked both Terra's and his own heart when he possessed Terra's body.

Could've sworn it was Terra that locked both his and Xehanort's heart inside his body.

 

@TheOriginalBob

 

Anyway, Nomura already explained in an interview why Xemnas didn't use the keyblade. If I remember correctly, Nomura said that it's possible Xemnas wasn't using the keyblade intentionally.

[NumberXIII.Roxas 64]

 

Id still say Roxas did kinda look like Sora.

 

I honestly don't see how people see any similarities other than the fact that they both have spiky hair and blue eyes, it just doesn't make any sense.

 

Roxas' facial structure is more similar to Sora's then to Ven's.

[Keyblader 325]

Thanks to the fact that Xehanort locked both Terra's and his own heart when he possessed Terra's body.

Could've sworn it was Terra that locked both his and Xehanort's heart inside his body.

 

That's what I was inclined to think too, but due to some research by Reversal, she figured out that one of the words that was being said in the Japanese version (I think it was heart) was being used differently between Master Xehanort and Terra. Apparently there are two forms of the word, Terra used one while Xehanort used the other. When Terranort was lifting up the Key, the form of the Japanese word Heart that was being used was apparently the one that Xehanort used.

[Rob 5,571]

 

Thanks to the fact that Xehanort locked both Terra's and his own heart when he possessed Terra's body.

Could've sworn it was Terra that locked both his and Xehanort's heart inside his body.

 

That's what I was inclined to think too, but due to some research by Reversal, she figured out that one of the words that was being said in the Japanese version (I think it was heart) was being used differently between Master Xehanort and Terra. Apparently there are two forms of the word, Terra used one while Xehanort used the other. When Terranort was lifting up the Key, the form of the Japanese word Heart that was being used was apparently the one that Xehanort used.

 

I'm pretty sure it was Terra that said "Get out of my heart" because Xehanort was in his body. I don't get why Xehanort would say that to Terra when it's not his body.

[Keyblade Master Xoncron 499]

He forgot how to use the keyblade after BBS.

[Iamkingdomhearts1000 1,170]

if xemnas can wield a keyblade then shouldn't the seeker of darkness (ansem,terranort's heartless) do so as well?

[replika13 455]

xemnas cant wield a keyblade,cause terranort(in his and aquas last battle)

strike himself with mx keyblade.

apprentice xehanort or terranort lose ability to wield keyblade anymore.

i read about this in kh wiki.

if you dont believe just check it out right there.

it dont need any memories to summon keyblade or wield it.

the power is in heart.

if you have that power,you could just summon it accidently.

just like sora and xion example.

[Keyblade King 12 486]

Because back when he was Apprentice Xehanort he had no memory of how to summon and use the keyblade. Thanks to the fact that Xehanort locked both Terra's and his own heart when he possessed Terra's body. Which caused him to lose both memories during the process. Which is why Apprentice Xehanort doesn't remember how. As for Roxas, it's true that he was able to weild the keyblade dispite the fact that he had no memories of his former self. But it's mostly because he is the nobody of Sora. And it's also said that it's because of Ven's heart residing in Roxas. Which is also causing him to weild the keyblade.

 

This is the right theroy. When Terra and MX became Xehanort, they both lost their memories, meaning that Xehanort had limited memories in using a Keyblade. Xemnas is the same. Despite some more memories coming into him, he still lacks the memories to summon out his Keyblade.

[Kinode 3,056]

crap, how confusing O.o

[matts-grey-zone 12]

I think he new how to but, hide them for some reason

[Master Keeper 687]

5 words : because Xemnas have no heart

[Regerts 0]

This is too complicated. My brain hurts.

[Lt Ultima 82]

i kinda fuarged he "forgot" or its because xanort locked his heart away so thats why he forgot

i didnt meen to dubble post it could someone remove the 2nd post

[TheOriginalBob 110]

Ok, im buying the theory because Terra locked his heart in a final attempt to irradicate MX he loses his ability to wield a keyblade. BUT... after reading some on Ansem the wise's reports I remember a bit where he was slightly pondering how apprentice Xehanort was able to open the hidden door in Radient garden/Hollow bastion... can really mean one thing. (I forget which number, give the whole thing a read, it's all facinating)

 

I still think theres a little further explaining to do, it's all interesting none the less.

[Keyblader 325]

Ok, im buying the theory because Terra locked his heart in a final attempt to irradicate MX he loses his ability to wield a keyblade. BUT... after reading some on Ansem the wise's reports I remember a bit where he was slightly pondering how apprentice Xehanort was able to open the hidden door in Radient garden/Hollow bastion... can really mean one thing. (I forget which number, give the whole thing a read, it's all facinating)

 

I still think theres a little further explaining to do, it's all interesting none the less.

 

Yes, your thought about the Ansem Reports is correct. Due to Ansem's experimentations on Xehanort (Terra+Master Xehanort), Xehanort some how gained access to his Keyblade again, I am not entirely sure how but it did happen.

[X blade 2]

I think TheOriginalBob is on to something this is all really interesting isn,t it!!