KH3D Dreams and Memories

[Tom 437]

I had this theory on a different forum, and I didn't share it on here, so I said, "What the hell, I'll do it". Here's my thoughts on Dream Drop Distance:

 

I got a new theory, this time for our exciting new title, Kingdom Hearts Dream Drop Distance. I know there isn't enough information to make a theory such as this, but the trailer has given me quite enough info to start this theory.

 

I can definitly tell this game will have to do with dreams. When this game was first announced, with some info, I thought this was going to be about dreams during Sora's sleeping. I was right about dreams, but not Sora sleeping. But now I think memories are involved. Anyways, let's get this show on the road:

 

1) Familar Logo:

 

This was the first step in the thinking process. After replaying the video over countless times, I wasn't getting too much answers about this. I paused at the end of the video and sighed, figuring out a logical theory for the plot.

 

It then hit me when I looked at the title. The title consisted of with Kingdon Hearts, crown, and the heart being silver, while Dream Drop Distance was black and pink.

 

Wait, silver? Isn't that supposed to be Chain of Memories's logo? To confirm this, I got my Re: CoM case and compaired the two. And I was right. They were both the same, if you subtract the subtitle. I thought it was a mere coincidence. But then I asked myself this question:

 

Are dreams and memories connected? Let's find out, shall we?

 

2) Applying Reality to KH:

 

After some thinking, I got it. You might want to think about this.

 

When you dream, you dream of people, places, objects, etc. But don't you need memories of those things to dream them? For example, you dream of a firetruck. But you have to see a firetruck to dream one up. You have to remember the color, how long it is, etc. The only exception to this is if you created it through your imagination.

 

Another thing to wonder is that you wake up, and sometimes during the day you can remember your dreams. Maybe tad bits of it, but you can still remember it, right? Technically, if you are remembering it, then it must be a memory. It make sense for it to be.

 

So really, your dreams are almost like your memories, but probably in a random way. Sometimes dreams can reoccur past memories or some weird shit that makes it look like you're high. Either way, that's a typical dream.

 

Answering the question, are memories and dreams connected? Yes they are. As a matter of fact, there's proof of it in KH. 358/2 Days is a perfect example. Investigation begins now.

 

3) A Nobody and A Replica:

 

Check out Roxas. Sometimes he has dreams of Sora. But yet, doesn't he have no memories? It is because of Xion, but it proves my points. As he was slowly getting memories, he starts having dreams of them. It proves the connection.

 

Xion is no doubt. Remember her nightmare she had while she was turning into Roxas, then Riku, and finally Sora? That's actually a scene from Reversed/Rebirth, aka Riku's Story in Re: CoM. While this proves that Xion had also absorbed Riku's memories, that's just it. She was dreaming of something that happened in the past, a memory. Yes it was slightly modified, but it's true. Following me?

 

Even in Roxas in KH2 was having dreams of what Sora did. Again, dreaming of memories, especially since he didn't have any once again. Strange, huh?

 

And there's one more thing I want to look at....it might not actually prove anything, but worth mentioning.

 

4) KH2 References FTW:

 

"A scattered dream is like a far off memory. A far off memory is like a scattered dream. I want to line up the pieces, yours and mine".

 

A quote from the very beginning of KH2, when you start up a new game. I know they weren't thinking of DDD when KH2 came out. But this line is a connection to this topic.

 

It's funny how they use an analogy with dreams and memories, but wasn't I just talking about it?

 

So it's clear that that they are connected. Now for the actually theory. This is mostly out of sheer imagination.

 

5) The Dream World:

 

That is what I dubbed the ultimate place for all dreams. Where every dream exist, no matter how small or how big one is.

 

So why did I come with this? Wouldn't it make more sense for Yen Sid to just put them in a virtual reality state, with various illusions? To me, I don't think so.

 

In the DDD trailer, the first scene (one after the Recoded Secret Ending), was translated, and it was Sora and Riku talking about buliding the raft. Wait a second, wasn't that in KH1? Sora, Riku, Kairi were building a raft and getting supplies, in order to set out on their journey to go to other worlds? Yeah, that can't be virtual reality. Yen Sid shouldn't know what they were doing. Makes no sense. Which means it has to be a dream, which connects to the title.

 

My guess is that Mickey will hold the Mark of Mastery, while Yen Sid helps out. He'll probably send the two into what I call the Dream World. There, Sora's and Riku's dreams connect together, with other dreams connecting to them as well.

 

But remember, they aren't just dreams. They are also memories. Past memories. Perhaps Hunchback is a dream that intertwines with theirs. But the world isn't just something made up. It's real. Otherwise, that would mean Traverse Town is just made up then and that's not true. The memories of the world allows them to go into it and explore for whatever reason. But that doesn't mean they actually went to that world in reality though. Just through experiences with dreams.

 

But then I wondered, why would Yen Sid send them to the Dream World? Why not have Mickey do the Mark of Mastery as simple as what Eraqus does (that is if he knew of the way Eraqus did the MoM, but I'm pretty sure he didn't so probably not)? Why not just make things simple and get the two to become Keyblade Masters and prepare for Xehanort's coming? There's got to be more than that than just exploring dreams.

 

Ansem and Xemnas gave me new ideas.

 

6) The Xehanort Family -snap snap-:

 

Let's go to Xehanort now. Ansem Seeker of Darkness and Xemnas has been eliminated, so now Xehanort (NOT MASTER XEHANORT! The Xehanort as in MX taking over Terra's body. MX will not return, although I wonder how he is going survive once he finally seperates from Terra's body) can finally return. But I don't think he can come back without all his memories.

 

That's the thing. Ansem and Xemnas don't have all the memories of MX. You can clearly tell that they do not contain all of his memories. If they were to bring back Xehanort, doesn't he need to have the necessary components of what he had before losing his heart? Because otherwise, he's gonna be confused. MX/Terranort's goal was to achive the X-Blade and start another Keyblade War. If Ansem and Xemnas has no memories of this, then what is our antagonist going to do? Sit there and think? He's not Pooh Bear.

 

It could be the fact that Xehanort would have have memores deep inside his heart (this is most likely, after all Terra did seal them to stop MX from controlling himself), but think about it. Ansem had the heart. I'm sure it isn't impossible to get into own heart and get the memories. Yet, that doesn't seem like the case. He thinks Kingdom Hearts is darkness, but MX knows it has light. What's wrong with that picture? Not only that, Xemnas probably has all of Xehanort's memories, but not all of MX's and Terra's. Look at when he was in the Chamber of Repose. He calls the armor, "friend", but not Aqua. Surely Terra's bonds with Aqua are strong, but it doesn't it seem weird that he doesn't call it by her name? Really just shows little memories going on. So it's safe to assume to that not all the memories were present in the two.

 

Their goals were different than MX as well. Ansem wanted KH to flood words in darkness (I think). Xemnas wanted KH for a heart. MX didn't necessary want KH, but the X-Blade, so that it could open KH and allow him to be reborn into a universe of light and darkness equal, and to watch the Keyblade Wars to fulfill his curiousness. They all wanted KH, but only MX had slightly different plans.

 

That being said, I do not believe or support that Ansem and Xemnas are just mere illusions that are a challange to Sora and Riku. Just doesn't cut it for a KH game, in my opinion.

 

I think Ansem and Xemnas will achive some sort of form in the dream world. Like if the memories from the two managed to get to the Dream World and give them life....well dream life.

 

So basically, I think Ansem and Xemnas will go to the Dream World to gather all of the dreams of MX. Remeber, dreams can be like memories. If they find a dream of MX's about the X-Blade, then it's possible for Xehanort to continue his conquest for KH...

 

Also, notice how I don't mention Terra or even Eraqus? That's because I fear the two are within Riku, after the Kingdom Hearts Encoder exploded. Ansem and Xemnas wouldn't need to collect his dreams/memories to complete Xehanort. Technically, MX owns Terra's body and soul, so as long as his heart remains, he can be complete. If possible, then Yen Sid must be aware of this and asks Mickey to send them to the Dream World. To stop Xehanort's counterparts from getting the dreams/memories and combining to reborn Xehanort. They probably don't tell Sora and Riku, but I'm guesing they want them to discover that Xehanort is not truly dead, even if you take down the Heartless and the Nobody. It does sound silly, but that's basically cheating if you told your pupils what they'll be doing during the test. And honestly, I do suspect Yen Sid of this because the Recoded Secret Ending gave us hints that he knows Master Xehanort, most likely in person.

 

Sora and Riku will end up defeating them. However, I fear as if there will be a plot twist. I'm guessing that the other form of Xehanort will appear, or Mysterious Figure or unless the other form of Xehanort is MF, probably messes up the MoM test. Who knows. In the end, Xehanort will come back, so I'm guessing Ansem and Xemnas succeeded.

 

And to my last point I want to talk about. Involving some details for Sora and Riku.

 

7) "Like is any of this for real...or not?":

 

Clearly, going to the Dream World must affect Sora and Riku. It's got to. Otherwise they would be no point of going there, other there to just stop Xehanort. Perhaps whatever happens to them in there will really affect them when they go back to their regular self.

 

Remember that Nomura wants a "Riku that flies and a Sora that falls"? It wasn't for 3D technology. Something must of happened while in the Dream World for this line to make sense. I think the trailer and a small detail must help this scenrio.

 

If you were paying attention to the whole trailer instead of having fangasms, when they were showing gameplay, words on the right came up. These words were:

 

-Sleeping & Waking

-Goodwil & Malice

-Sora & Riku

 

You can tell that they were talking about opposites. Sleep is being inactive, while waking is active or beginning to be active. Goodwill is the desire to help people, for kindness. Malice is the desire to hurt people, for hatred. And Sora and Riku? I guess it makes sense for them to be opposites (that is if the trailer implied that). Sora is light and Riku is darkness, pretty much how it was in KH1.

 

Then there's another detail somebody found. "Dark becomes light. Light turns to darkness" (Don't quote me on this, I'm not entirely sure on this). So I'm guessing opposites turn into one another. That could be the same for the other words.

 

If you guys heard me say this bunch of times, then sorry but I'm saying it again. What if theses worrds are metaphors, holding a hidden meaning? What if it actually means that Riku takes the hero role, while Sora falls to darkness? When they come out of the Dream World and Sora is all evil and stuff. I don't know, that's just me. However, something is outta happen to Sora. Now I'm not saying Sora will be evil, but it's a random though that would actually make a good "shocking" ending, in my opinion.

 

Regardless of what happens, I believe that Kingdom Hearts Dream Drop Distance will definitely be about dreams. Xehanort is bound to strike in this game as this game is very important for KH3. Sora might be evil, Riku might be the hero. Only time is sure to give us the results. Hopefully that's soon.

[KHlover12 22]

Wow! This is actually a very well laid out theory. However, only Nomura knows for sure what's going to happen. This does sound very plausible given the fact that we do not have very much information of this title as of yet. The only thing I have a hard time wrapping my head around is the Hunchback bit that you mentioned. If the dream world plays off memories and dreams it doesn't really make sense for that to be in this "dream world." Actually now that I think about it...Have they actually confirmed that that is in fact from the Hunchback or are people just assuming? (and if it was confirmed ignore this last part) Because I was thinking what if it was Twilight Town?

[Forze 0]

Who actually read all this? lol

 

I did, and it was a very detailed and well thought theory. Now, I like your theory about the dream world, though the only thing that doesn't make sense is, why the young bodies? Sora + Riku's memory of Xemnas was when they were older, and why does Riku lack a keyblade? In the trailer Riku is seen wielding the soul eater, when he has been established as a keyblade master. I know he didnt have his keyblade during KH1, so he would not have memories of it thus the recquired use of Soul Eater, but that contradicts Xemnas being in it.

[Keyblader 325]

Considering the lack of information on this game, you really really did well on making this theory. It was very well organized and you had strong points to back up your thoughts.

 

There were a few grammatical errors I noticed though because my English class turned me into such a freaking grammar Nazi /shot. The funny thing is that I actually make some of the dumbest mistakes when writing essays, I honestly can't write a good essay for the life of me.

 

Who actually read all this? lol

 

I did, unlike other really long theories, DeathSkull3000's was one of the few that actually was organized in a way that doesn't overwhelm a person with several large paragraphs, which made for easier reading.

[NumberXIII.Roxas 64]

 

Who actually read all this? lol

 

If it's that hard to read it all, then there's a Back Button. It looks like this: <-. You can use it in case you change your mind on reading this, instead of making dumb posts that don't relate to the topic at hand.

 

Thank you and have a good night

 

My back button looks like this

 

But on topic, you're theory is very plausible. Although I'm not sure if I completely understand the whole dream world thing connecting to memories, since there are only two or three worlds that are from their memories. But with those it makes sense.

 

P.S: I'm gonna assume you did really well in writing assignments? lol

[Tom 437]

Wow! This is actually a very well laid out theory. However, only Nomura knows for sure what's going to happen. This does sound very plausible given the fact that we do not have very much information of this title as of yet. The only thing I have a hard time wrapping my head around is the Hunchback bit that you mentioned. If the dream world plays off memories and dreams it doesn't really make sense for that to be in this "dream world." Actually now that I think about it...Have they actually confirmed that that is in fact from the Hunchback or are people just assuming? (and if it was confirmed ignore this last part) Because I was thinking what if it was Twilight Town?

 

Think about it carefully. How does Traverse Town get in this then? I'll bring up a few pointers here:

 

-Worlds do have hearts

-People are on Traverse Town

 

Memories are stored in the heart. If Worlds have hearts and they do have memories in it, then it's possible that even worlds dream, since dreams and memories are connected. That's just one idea though.

 

And not only that, there are people on Traverse Town, or at least people who've been to Traverse Town. Traverse Town would then be a memory and because of what I said eailer....well it can be a dream. Then that (big) dream goes to the Dream World where it is stored.

 

I know, it seems strange, but can you think of what these worlds really are? I can only think of dreams.

 

And to answer your last part, I have heard that Famitsu has comfirmed it to be Hunchback. At least, that's what I heard. But it can't be Twilight Town. For one, Twilight Town does not have any bells in it (as far as I can see). And two, looking at the ground Sora lands on, it doesn't seem to be the same kind as TT. So the answer is nope.

 

 

 

Who actually read all this? lol

 

If it's that hard to read it all, then there's a Back Button. It looks like this: <-. You can use it in case you change your mind on reading this, instead of making dumb posts that don't relate to the topic at hand.

 

Thank you and have a good night

 

It was a joke, and it does relate since I was talking about this long topic. Just saying.

 

Thank you and have a good night ;p

 

I don't care if it was a joke. Making one line posts with a joke is not helping anything and therefore a useless increase post count.

 

I don't see any discussion about this, other than the fact it was long.

 

And copying me doesn't help the situation either.

 

 

Who actually read all this? lol

 

I did, and it was a very detailed and well thought theory. Now, I like your theory about the dream world, though the only thing that doesn't make sense is, why the young bodies? Sora + Riku's memory of Xemnas was when they were older, and why does Riku lack a keyblade? In the trailer Riku is seen wielding the soul eater, when he has been established as a keyblade master. I know he didnt have his keyblade during KH1, so he would not have memories of it thus the recquired use of Soul Eater, but that contradicts Xemnas being in it.

 

Because we're seeing dreams/memories of them younger. They don't necessarly have to have them be in their KH2 attires, rather than KH1. And I said before, The Dream World, how I see it, is a place where all dreams go to. Not every dream is going to be about one thing, like just being about KH1.

 

But yeah, your post does contradict itself lol.

[::Heart_XIII:: 2]

Very well put. And it could very well be what Nomura is going for. We'll just have to see. =)

[got it memorized 3]

this is one of the best thought out theories i've seen in a while. like what has been said, we'll have to wait for DDD to be released to know what happens for sure, but i see this as something that's very possible. the only thing i would say differently is if sora and maybe riku did visit the hunchback world while they weren't in their dream states, because we aren't sure if they can tap into people's memories who haven't been introduced in the series (as we wouldn't know who's memories the hunchback world is coming from), but clearly that's probably not the case, seeing as in the trailer we see sora running through the bell tower in his KH1 outfit, so that would easily scratch what i have written above. other than that, everything else looks like a strong possibility.

[Zexion123 2]

Ansem and Xemnas DO have MX's memories. How do you think Xemnas got the idea of the black coat or the X in Organization XIII's name anagrams? And Xemnas didn't care about getting a heart. He wanted KH for power, similiar to Ansem SoD. And Yen Sid DID know MX. He trained with him to become a Keyblade Master alongside Eraqus.

[Keyblade King 12 486]

I think I'm agreeing with everyone here.

You've obviously put a lot of thought into this theroy and it is really well thought out, explained and structured.

If Tetsuya wasn't planning to do something like this, then he should, because I think this would make more sense than anything else that they can come up with.

[HydratedTadpole 4]

Brilliant theory, one that makes sence on most cases. My theory on why Xemnas is in the trailer but Sora and Riku are in their KH1 clothes is, as you said, they are in a dream world so maybe Xemnas infiltrated Sora's dreams and thats why he is their, same with Ansen SoD with Riku, because he never met him in Traverse Town did he? I reckon the enemies will be creatures of dreams. We have had the Heartless, the Nobodies and now the..... Lost Dreams perhaps or something along those lines.

Hold on I just remembered that in BBS when MX takes over Terra he says, "Your body submits, your hearts succumbs - so why does your mind resist" could the next enemy be the mind of MX? Just another theory, probably not plausible though. Still an thoughts?

[Cosmiccathorse 1]

I like the theory. Maybe Roxas is the Dark in Sora? Or maybe we'll see Vanitas again? anyway im just speculating.

I'm really looking forward to DDD.

[Tom 437]

Ansem and Xemnas DO have MX's memories. How do you think Xemnas got the idea of the black coat or the X in Organization XIII's name anagrams? And Xemnas didn't care about getting a heart. He wanted KH for power, similiar to Ansem SoD. And Yen Sid DID know MX. He trained with him to become a Keyblade Master alongside Eraqus.

 

There are so many things wrong with these post, I can't describe it. So I'll break it up.

 

Ansem and Xemnas DO have MX's memories. How do you think Xemnas got the idea of the black coat or the X in Organization XIII's name anagrams?

 

First off, I said Ansem and Xemnas do not have ALL of them memories. Key word ALL. Hell, I even stated this in my post.

 

That's the thing. Ansem and Xemnas don't have all the memories of MX. You can clearly tell that they do not contain all of his memories. If they were to bring back Xehanort, doesn't he need to have the necessary components of what he had before losing his heart? Because otherwise, he's gonna be confused. MX/Terranort's goal was to achive the X-Blade and start another Keyblade War. If Ansem and Xemnas has no memories of this, then what is our antagonist going to do? Sit there and think? He's not Pooh Bear.

 

That's why you need to READ CAREFULLY. It's not rocket science.

 

And Xemnas didn't care about getting a heart. He wanted KH for power, similiar to Ansem SoD.

 

Technically Kingdom Hearts is a place where hearts go. You become one with it, you'll mostly likely end up getting a heart. As a matter of fact, how does one empty shell able to become a greater being when he isn't truly existing? How does something that doesn't truly exist want to shape the universe his way? Try asking yourself that.

 

And Yen Sid DID know MX. He trained with him to become a Keyblade Master alongside Eraqus.

 

1) That's not true.

2) Even if it was true, there's no proof to back this up.

3) And to counter any future argument, they don't need to be pupils to know each other, this especially with Eraqus.

4) Why doesn't Master Xehanort mention him in the Xehanort Reports?

5) Just no.

 

I see someone doesn't have a sense of humor. Well, we know little about KH3D, so there's nothing anyone can help with. Though it seemed like copying, it wasn't since it was night when I said that so......

 

I read it, and it was somewhat ok. We'll have to wait for more info though.

 

No. There's a difference between humor and breaking the rules. Kthnx.

[Rob 5,571]

A long thought out theory. Well, only Nomura knows, so we'll have to see lol. It's just me, but I doubt this.

[Mysterious_Figure_Vanitas 3]

Yen Sid is a master that had nothing to do with training Xehanort and Eraqus. The master who taught them is currently unknown.

[Oishii 3,987]

Congrats on having the number one theory. You definitely earned it.

 

I'm sooo glad to see someone else that isn't saying "Yen Sid is going to put Sora to sleep". I also thought that it would be a world made from dreams, and it would explain why their main page has a new symbol. The dream world will most likely have new creatures, probably made from nightmares.

 

But I'm not so sure Yen Sid will send them there. Nomura-san said that the MoM is only a small part of the game, but if they went on this adventure for the MoM, wouldn't that mean the whole game's about the MoM? Maybe I didn't read it close enough though. It would be a good way to prepare them for the test I think.

 

And I would LOVE if something were to happen that Sora would fall to darkness. I think it would be more like Ven, cause I can't see him willingly going to darkness unless he was sacrificing himself for others (which is what he did for Kairi once upon a time ago). And (wishful thinking) maybe it would somehow be connected to Vanitas, like Sora's heart absorbed some of Ven's darkness while helping to heal him. But really I just want to see how Sora would react to Vanitas