Alternate Dimension

[ssceles 134]

Hey guys, I'm new to the forums here, but I've had some burning questions lately and speculation is definitely my thing. See, I popped in KH2 last night and started from a save file in Halloween Town. After beating it, I was told to check out Twilight Town because something strange was going on and Chip and Dale saw two. After continuing to play for some time, these thoughts came to mind:

 

1 - Why were Hayner, Pence and Olette looking for Kairi at the mansion when they clearly saw Axel take her away through a dark portal? (At this point, they were certain there was an 'Alternate Twilight Town' because of Olette's purse and the blue bauble and all that, but they somehow drew a conclusion that Kairi might be there... how...?)

 

2 - So I go and touch the beam of light in the computer room and find the entrance to the Dark Realm as instructed by Mickey, who was apparently told to do this by Riku. Question is - since I'm suddenly in the Alternate/Digital Twilight Town with the smashed computer and go through a portal there, does the portal go to an Alternate Dark Realm and this means I end up in an Alternate World that Never Was and the rest of the game entirely is done in an Alternate dimension because I never leave through the computer back to Reality?

 

My only evidence to the contrary is that Axel hacked into DiZ's computer from the castle in TWTNW, on orders, to bring back Roxas. This failed, of course, and Sora woke up in the real world. Sora was told to go the Dark Realm in the Digital Twilight Town to find the 'back door' Axel used to get into DiZ's Digital Twilight Town to retrieve Roxas.

 

In theory - did a digital Axel send me through the portal back to reality?

 

(Side note - could the events of Birth by Sleep have happened in an alternate reality past created by Xemnas so he could finally remember his past? >3)

[Naroco 26]

no it was the real thing. you see roxas was placed in virtual twighlight town. which so happens to be next to the world that never was.

[got it memorized 3]

1. people in twilight town always thought of the mansion as a place people would go to when doing mysterious stuff. someone going through a dark portal isn't something commonly seen, so if you're someone who believes the superstition of the mansion, you might think a dark portal might have something to do with the mansion.

 

2.

no it was the real thing. you see roxas was placed in virtual twighlight town. which so happens to be next to the world that never was.

 

[Tails 6,690]

1 - Why were Hayner, Pence and Olette looking for Kairi at the mansion when they clearly saw Axel take her away through a dark portal? (At this point, they were certain there was an 'Alternate Twilight Town' because of Olette's purse and the blue bauble and all that, but they somehow drew a conclusion that Kairi might be there... how...?)

They didn't think Kairi was there. They all went there along with Sora because they thought that the Old mansion had hid some kind of alternate Twilight Town. They didn't just go and assume that Kairi would be there.

 

 

2 - So I go and touch the beam of light in the computer room and find the entrance to the Dark Realm as instructed by Mickey, who was apparently told to do this by Riku. Question is - since I'm suddenly in the Alternate/Digital Twilight Town with the smashed computer and go through a portal there, does the portal go to an Alternate Dark Realm and this means I end up in an Alternate World that Never Was and the rest of the game entirely is done in an Alternate dimension because I never leave through the computer back to Reality?

Well, yes as a matter of fact. It does lead to an Alternate dark realm of Twilight Town. TWTNW is pretty much really close to the darkness, as Pete had stated in a cutscene when him and Maleficent were about to fight off the Heartless. So it is considered a alternate dark realm of Twilight Town in that way.

 

 

My only evidence to the contrary is that Axel hacked into DiZ's computer from the castle in TWTNW, on orders, to bring back Roxas. This failed, of course, and Sora woke up in the real world. Sora was told to go the Dark Realm in the Digital Twilight Town to find the 'back door' Axel used to get into DiZ's Digital Twilight Town to retrieve Roxas.

Axel didn't hack DiZ's computer, he just found a way to go in the vitual Twilight Town, but it isn't really explained how he got in. So there isn't a "back door" that Axel even found, he just used a corridor of darkness to get in and out nof the simulated Twilight Town.

 

In theory - did a digital Axel send me through the portal back to reality?

A digital Axel? There was never a digital version of Axel to begin with. So I don't know what you're talking about.

 

Side note - could the events of Birth by Sleep have happened in an alternate reality past created by Xemnas so he could finally remember his past? >3

If you're talking about the MF, we don't know who he really is. There isn't any information about him or his motives. you can't just assume he's Xemnas just because he uses blades similiar to Xemnas's Etheral Blades. And there is no alternate reality of BBS, there never was one. So I rest my case.

[ssceles 134]

They didn't think Kairi was there. They all went there along with Sora because they thought that the Old mansion had hid some kind of alternate Twilight Town. They didn't just go and assume that Kairi would be there.

They were there when I got there. They were also passed out.

where Hayner very clearly says: "We came here looking for Kairi." (On the same lines as this' date=' its very interesting that BBSFM's secret ending shows the Twilight Town gang with Kairi at the mansion in the same location. Who knows on that, though.)

 

Axel didn't hack DiZ's computer' date=' he just found a way to go in the vitual Twilight Town, but it isn't really explained how he got in. So there isn't a "back door" that Axel even found, he just used a corridor of darkness to get in and out nof the simulated Twilight Town.[/quote']

Have you read the novels? At all? KH Volume 2, Chapter 6, Axel - 7 Days. Here's a link to that. Below's just a small excerpt. Organization XIII had to retrieve Roxas from the virtual town, remember? They found a way in, and that's that.

[Tails 6,690]

They were there when I got there. They were also passed out.

where Hayner very clearly says: "We came here looking for Kairi." (On the same lines as this, its very interesting that BBSFM's secret ending shows the Twilight Town gang with Kairi at the mansion in the same location. Who knows on that, though.)

Yes, but that doesn't mean that they just thought that Kairi was was there. They were just trying to find a way to help get Kairi back from Axel.

 

Have you read the novels? At all? KH Volume 2, Chapter 6, Axel - 7 Days. Here's a link to that. Below's just a small excerpt. Organization XIII had to retrieve Roxas from the virtual town, remember? They found a way in, and that's that.

[ssceles 134]

Why would you go someplace to look for someone if you didn't think they were there?

 

the Organization also had a computer somewhere in the Castle That Never Was

That's exactly what I said to begin with.

 

So what you're saying is completely wrong and really off.

Which part? The part where I stated two different things that actually have happened? Data Sora in re:Coded was a copy. Hayner, Pence and Olette were copied for DiZ's digital Twilight Town. Roxas, Axel, Mickey, Sora in KH2 etc. were sent there completely, leaving no traces of themselves in the real world. This makes the digital world act like an alternate dimension if no trace of you is left in the physical world. The Axel Organization XIII sent through their computer was the real Axel. The Axel that Sora saw die was also the real Axel, I'm only left wondering how and why Axel was in the digitized Twilight Town again to help Sora portal back out of the digitized world.

 

there IS NO alternate world

Forgive me for referring to exactly what the game itself said. The alternate world Hayner, Pence, and Olette referred to was the digital copy. The word 'alternate' was used in the game.

 

Honestly, if I have to correct you at at every turn you could at least start citing your sources like I do. =_=

 

(Furthermore, I'll take this opportunity to point out the giant plot hole that Mickey went with you into the digital Twilight Town and is there when you exit from Axel's portal in Betwixt and Between into TWTNW, but Mickey was not there to help you and Axel fight the dusks?)

[Tails 6,690]

Why would you go someplace to look for someone if you didn't think they were there?

because they saw Axel leave with kairi through the corridor of darkness. So what makes you think they would just think that kairi would be at the mansion? They said that the Mansion itself could be hiding a virtual twilight town.

 

That's exactly what I said to begin with.

No you didn't. All you said was that Axel had hacked through DiZ's computer in order to get inside the simulated Twilight Town.

 

Which part? The part where I stated two different things that actually have happened? Data Sora in re:Coded was a copy. Hayner, Pence and Olette were copied for DiZ's digital Twilight Town. Roxas, Axel, Mickey, Sora in KH2 etc. were sent there completely, leaving no traces of themselves in the real world. This makes the digital world act like an alternate dimension if no trace of you is left in the physical world. The Axel Organization XIII sent through their computer was the real Axel. The Axel that Sora saw die was also the real Axel, I'm only left wondering how and why Axel was in the digitized Twilight Town again to help Sora portal back out of the digitized world.

You're wrong about most of this stuff. Not just parts, a lot of this stuff you're making up.

 

Forgive me for referring to exactly what the game itself said. The alternate world Hayner, Pence, and Olette referred to was the digital copy. The word 'alternate' was used.

 

Honestly, if I have to correct you at at every turn you could at least start citing your sources like I do. =_=

 

(Furthermore, I'll take this opportunity to point out the giant plot hole that Mickey went with you into the digital Twilight Town and is there when you exit from Axel's portal in Betwixt and Between into TWTNW, but Mickey was not there to help you and Axel fight the dusks?)

Okay first of all, you never corrected me to begin with. i have corrected you on a lot of things that was thrown off. Second of all, I don't really don't post the sources unless I find it necessary. Unless you've forgotten, this is a KH website, so that means a lot of people already know what you mean. So there's no need for me to post sources unless I find it necessary to do so.

[ssceles 134]

So what makes you think they would just think that kairi would be at the mansion?

Because Hayner said they were at the mansion looking for Kairi.

 

No you didn't. All you said was that Axel had hacked through DiZ's computer in order to get inside the simulated Twilight Town.

To quote myself in the first post:

Axel hacked into DiZ's computer from the castle in TWTNW.

a lot of this stuff you're making up

What am I making up? Be specific. Fact: Data Sora is a digital copy of Sora. Fact: DiZ's digital copy of Twilight Town is a copy. Copied occupants are copies. Copies are copies. Fact: Axel goes into the digital Twilight Town to retrieve Roxas and fails. Fact: In KH2, Sora goes to the digital Twilight Town on instructions from Mickey, which Mickey got from Riku, touches the beam of light, goes through a Dark Portal to Betwixt and Between, and Axel sends them through a portal to TWTNW (and presumably, back out of the digital existence into reality). What more do you want from me? I played the game, I'm telling it as it is and not making anything up there.

 

So there's no need for me to post sources unless I find it necessary to do so.

Then kindly leave this thread because you're far from helpful. It's nice to hear pessimism, because it helps clear things up sometimes, but plain ignorance does not help.

 

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In the end, its safe to say there was no other way to shuffle Sora from point A to point B without using a dark portal. Sora was sent into the digital Twilight Town, simply so he could meet Axel there, and be sent back on through to the other side. Axel was probably there because it was the best place to hide from Saix.

 

/thread.

[Tails 6,690]

Because Hayner said they were at the mansion looking for Kairi.

But thatr doesn't mean that they assumed Kairi woould be there. As I said before, they went there because they suspected that the Old Mansion was hiding something that would lead to the alternate Twilight Town.

 

 

What am I making up? Be specific. Fact: Data Sora is a digital copy of Sora. Fact: DiZ's digital copy of Twilight Town is a copy. Copied occupants are copies. Copies are copies. Fact: Axel goes into the digital Twilight Town to retrieve Roxas and fails. Fact: In KH2, Sora goes to the digital Twilight Town on instructions from Mickey, which Mickey got from Riku, touches the beam of light, goes through a Dark Portal to Betwixt and Between, and Axel sends them through a portal to TWTNW (and presumably, back out of the digital existence into reality). What more do you want from me? I played the game, I'm telling it as it is and not making anything up there.

Like I said before, a lot of things you posted on your thread.

 

Then kindly leave this thread because you're far from helpful. It's nice to hear pessimism, because it helps clear things up sometimes, but plain ignorance does not help.

I wasn't being ignorant, I was just correcting you. You sir, do not know the meaning of ignorant, so how would you know if I'm being ignorant or not.

 

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In the end, its safe to say there was no other way to shuffle Sora from point A to point B without using a dark portal. Sora was sent into the digital Twilight Town, simply so he could meet Axel there, and be sent back on through to the other side. Axel was probably there because it was the best place to hide from Saix.

Or to just bring Roxas back into the Organization.

[Azure Flame 670]

Axel didn't hack into the computer, he used a dark portal to get in, which was left open. This same portal was used by Sora to get into TWTNW. The portal itself wasn't data, it just lead into the data. Also, just because you enter data doesn't make a data copy of yourself. The only data copies are the inhabitants of Diz's virtual Twilight Town that held Roxas until Sora could be revived, the people in in the digitized version of Jiminy's Journal, including the Data-Sora that Mickey created, and the Data-Riku that was created to represent the Journal itself. There is no Data-Axel, and there never has been. As for the BBS thing, that's just wrong. BBS is a game that takes place 10 years before KH1, so it can't be something Xemnas created. As for what you call Terra's "flash-forward deja-vu" I have no idea what you're talking about.

 

Now kindly stop bickering like an old married couple.

[hatok 6,413]

KH125, rather than just say 'You're wrong' why not actually elaborate on what you think is wrong, instead of he two of you repeating the same arguments over and over?

[kingdomhearts2 6]

aghh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you people are driving me crazy!!!!!!!!!!!!! can someone tell me what does this all lead to? KH3 maybe.

[Aqua7KH 5,395]

i think all of you guys are taking this abit far ._.

and Axel did not hack ATW computer he used a dark corridor to get in

anyway stop bickering plz ._.

[NumberXIII.Roxas 64]

Now kindly stop bickering like an old married couple.

 

Took the words right out of my mouth.

 

No need to get snappy at each other. It's called DISCUSSION. Not "Bitch you're wrong."

[khforever999 3]

Hey guys, I'm new to the forums here, but I've had some burning questions lately and speculation is definitely my thing. See, I popped in KH2 last night and started from a save file in Halloween Town. After beating it, I was told to check out Twilight Town because something strange was going on and Chip and Dale saw two. After continuing to play for some time, these thoughts came to mind:

 

1 - Why were Hayner, Pence and Olette looking for Kairi at the mansion when they clearly saw Axel take her away through a dark portal? (At this point, they were certain there was an 'Alternate Twilight Town' because of Olette's purse and the blue bauble and all that, but they somehow drew a conclusion that Kairi might be there... how...?)

 

2 - So I go and touch the beam of light in the computer room and find the entrance to the Dark Realm as instructed by Mickey, who was apparently told to do this by Riku. Question is - since I'm suddenly in the Alternate/Digital Twilight Town with the smashed computer and go through a portal there, does the portal go to an Alternate Dark Realm and this means I end up in an Alternate World that Never Was and the rest of the game entirely is done in an Alternate dimension because I never leave through the computer back to Reality?

 

My only evidence to the contrary is that Axel hacked into DiZ's computer from the castle in TWTNW, on orders, to bring back Roxas. This failed, of course, and Sora woke up in the real world. Sora was told to go the Dark Realm in the Digital Twilight Town to find the 'back door' Axel used to get into DiZ's Digital Twilight Town to retrieve Roxas.

 

In theory - did a digital Axel send me through the portal back to reality?

 

(Side note - could the events of Birth by Sleep have happened in an alternate reality past created by Xemnas so he could finally remember his past? >3)

 

OH MY GOD U THINK WWWWWWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYY 2 MUCH

[Darkfire1408 43]

Hey guys, I'm new to the forums here, but I've had some burning questions lately and speculation is definitely my thing. See, I popped in KH2 last night and started from a save file in Halloween Town. After beating it, I was told to check out Twilight Town because something strange was going on and Chip and Dale saw two. After continuing to play for some time, these thoughts came to mind:

 

1 - Why were Hayner, Pence and Olette looking for Kairi at the mansion when they clearly saw Axel take her away through a dark portal? (At this point, they were certain there was an 'Alternate Twilight Town' because of Olette's purse and the blue bauble and all that, but they somehow drew a conclusion that Kairi might be there... how...?)

 

2 - So I go and touch the beam of light in the computer room and find the entrance to the Dark Realm as instructed by Mickey, who was apparently told to do this by Riku. Question is - since I'm suddenly in the Alternate/Digital Twilight Town with the smashed computer and go through a portal there, does the portal go to an Alternate Dark Realm and this means I end up in an Alternate World that Never Was and the rest of the game entirely is done in an Alternate dimension because I never leave through the computer back to Reality?

 

My only evidence to the contrary is that Axel hacked into DiZ's computer from the castle in TWTNW, on orders, to bring back Roxas. This failed, of course, and Sora woke up in the real world. Sora was told to go the Dark Realm in the Digital Twilight Town to find the 'back door' Axel used to get into DiZ's Digital Twilight Town to retrieve Roxas.

 

In theory - did a digital Axel send me through the portal back to reality?

 

(Side note - could the events of Birth by Sleep have happened in an alternate reality past created by Xemnas so he could finally remember his past? >3)

 

1 already been answered, the mansions pretty much considered haunted so they looked there.

 

2 its a digital twilight town that had a portal axel left.

 

also, i have a theory of why they couldn't approach twtnw without going through there. there are worlds of light, worlds of darkness, and worlds in between. from the realm of light you cannot enter a world of darkness. and the same goes for the opposite. twilight town and co are worlds inbetween. by passing through these, you can go to a world in the other realm. this explains how mickey and riku went through co back to the realm of light in com. so sora, donald, and goofy could not go into twtnw without passing through twilight town.

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

Just one thing

 

C....o....D.

 

C.o.D.s can go anywhere that exists digital or otherwise That's how Axel got there.