Final Fantasy VII Rebirth Discussion

[wasabi_curry 1]

Storm blood...?

[Liftea 11]

https://tenor.com/view/ffxiv-final-fantasy-fire-screaming-gif-9174866

[Liftea 11]

this one

[wasabi_curry 1]

Yeah, you found the ending good in stormblood? Or the plot in general?

SB was the weakest story of xiv imo

[Liftea 11]

I liked the ending except for what happens post credits, but in retrospective I love that they did it because it was amazing in Endwalker

also stormblood is still a better story for me than half of the mainline titles

it's better than XV and XIII trilogy for sure

also better than 1-5 in terms of story

better than VIII's story too

I honestly even find ARR better than most of the mainline titles but I will get cancelled for this take

[wasabi_curry 1]

Are u including the post sb content

[Liftea 11]

yes

[wasabi_curry 1]

Like in between shb and sb?

[Liftea 11]

yep

[wasabi_curry 1]

Okay that makes more sense

[Liftea 11]

you wanna hear a hot take?

post sb story was better than post shb, ew and hw

post shb gets carried by a single patch

which is 5.3

[wasabi_curry 1]

Post shb and Ew is tough

Cuz SHb and EW were so good

But both those expansions feel like a finality

[Liftea 11]

I hope they can bring in dawntrail this innocence back the game had in ARR

where our character just feels like an adventurer and not a political figure

[wasabi_curry 1]

I know it's rly weird to ask but does the east asian narrative structure (kishotenketsu) is what makes the narrative of FFVII rebirth (or FFs in general) divisive?

The Ten spot is

when sephiroth does lore dump

 

I guess...

[Liftea 11]

yes seems like it

the lore dump hurt the game more than it helped btw

because for me it looked like that they were aware of the issue

in terms of confusing players

and then they shoehorned it i

nto the final act

 

the issue is not the stuff itself

it's the execution

KH3 had a similar issue

remake did it also better than rebirth regarding this

because in remake it was tacked on when all the og story beats were already over.

it's so weird how Nojima wrote some of the coolest additions like the

Gi

stuff and then absolutely ruined it in other parts

I refuse to believe that this was the same writer

[Snakeskin94 13]

[Liftea 11]

this is genius

[Liftea 11]

wtf

this boss is a firetrucking bitch btw

@Snakeskin94_1642611873 I need this entire graphic here just to play one mechanic of the boss btw

@Snakeskin94_1642611873 I need this entire graphic here just to play one mechanic of the boss btw

[Snakeskin94 13]

dog tf am I looking at even

[Liftea 11]

the boss spawns puffs and they are either cardinal or intercardinal spawns and you get chained to one of these puffs and depending which one you get you have to position yourself like in the screenshot. the left side is for intercardinal puff spawns and the right side for cardinal spawns

and if only one person firetrucks up everyone dies

and you have approximately 10 seconds to react to all of this

[Otti#8624 26]

 

end of chapter 8 stuff

Kitase is on something here, I don't know what but he needs to stop

[Liftea 11]

nah he's right

adding

palmer

moved me to tears

because I couldn't believe how stupid it is

[Otti#8624 26]

Like on one hand, I really love that fight

It's so fun

But why the firetruck have it there

If you are going to do it then do it when

Cloud and the gang are on their way to see Barret

 

[Snakeskin94 13]

Because Square doesn't know how to write Final Fantasy 7 after the first game.

There's an idea of what 7 is to gamers, and what 7 actually is, and what Square thinks 7 is.

And they confuse all 3 of then when making a game.

[Otti#8624 26]

I don't agree with all of that because they do get it for the most part

But for some reason they had it in their thought to fumble it up at the very last second

Like in I think chapter 10? The stuff at Cosmo Canyon

when Red meets his dad. Great moment! They are hitting all the beats like they should. But then out of nowhere Cloud and the gang are there somehow and then the Gi stuff comes in

 

And I actually do love the new lore with that!

But do it later

They need to learn to let moments breathe

They did a fantastic job with it in Remake after the plate fall

Barret shouting his lungs out for the people he lost, the walk to Aerith's house and them going back to the fall to help people