Final Fantasy XVI Spoilers Discussion

[Liftea 12]

it depends on the character. It has a lot of great ones but also some really bad ones

Y'shtola

[Limen 10]

I'll experience it eventually

I've been snail pacing my way through the free trial lol

[Snakeskin94 13]

Ok but you know what?

Xion

😌

Not Aqua, not Kairi (sadly), not Namine (even more sadly), and not Streletzia either- Xion singlehandedly proves when Nomura is motivated he can write a compelling girl lol

Well Kairi COULD be great if she didn't have less screentime than Haru Okumura.

[Otti#8624 26]

Didn't Nomura have another writer for Days

[Limen 10]

the same one working with him for KH4 i believe?

[Otti#8624 26]

Oh neat

[Liftea 12]

[Limen 10]

oh it was neo

i knew there was a writer helping w kh4 i just didn't remember why they were known lol

[Liftea 12]

I hope a female writer can help with the writing of female characters

days was tomohiro hasegawa

[Snakeskin94 13]

I heard a rumor that Nomura doesn't like how his writing with KH has increasingly gotten more policed by the higher ups lol

Apparently, he's not a fan of having Co writers for the main scenariosm

[Liftea 12]

I believe in the case of Ishibashi it seems like a choice. He's friends with the TWEWY team

[Otti#8624 26]

I think he's talking about Disney being on his neck rather than co-writers

[Liftea 12]

he can write good stories. He has already proven it with KH1 and KH2 + days

and CoM

and then SE backstabbed him with Versus XIII and he was in his SadNomura phase

wait he still is considering the secret episode in 3

[Snakeskin94 13]

So that's the interesting thing,

Disney, minus what's in Disney Worlds, is fairly hands off. They're of the mindset "pffft firetruck dude let him do what he wants it works lol"

Apparently, Square higher ups want Nomura's writing to be more digestible.

[Limen 10]

yeah the only time he's run into issues so far with Disney is when he asks for a specific world so that its themes match what his writing is going through but they refuse or only agree with watchful eyes

it's Square higher ups that are trying to make it "easier" lol

[Snakeskin94 13]

It's ironic isn't it? Kingdom Hearts is the one thing Disney is apart of where they aren't the hard ones to work with 😂

Sure they can be a bit unreasonable with a few things but compared to square it's night and day.

Problem is, Nomura is too tied to too many projects and isn't quite a Kojima Auter to try and go independent. I don't think he even wants to, but

[Limen 10]

yeah as much as the general audience loves to pin everything bad on him, I'm sure he's fine sitting where he is and getting the projects he wants to work on

like i know it affects him mentally but at the same time he loves the projects he works on at SE so why leave

the only way i see him leaving is if they just fire him and take his work or smthn

[ElectriCole 4]

Didn't they do that with vs XIII/XV?

[Limen 10]

sorta but it was a mix of a lot more than outright firing from square enix lol

also last i heard, square internally knows hes an asset at this point so they've given him more freedom to choose projects and helping hands and such so he isnt overworked anymore

overworked as much at least lol

[Snakeskin94 13]

It's so firetruckin weird cause they've treated him so passive aggressively, so hot and cold, but they need him, and they rely on him, not just for KH, but so much other shit too.

I said this to someone on Twitter once who was like "bah Nomura this, Nomura that, his writing his character design blah blah blah" and I'm like,

"This doesn't absolve him of criticism, but, everything he does = buys lmao"

Nomura makes money

[Liftea 12]

Nomura and Tabata are probably out of all people at SE the ones that got treated unfairly the most

it wasn't tabata's decision to create luminous engine

[Snakeskin94 13]

||Clive: Is this everything?

Mid: This Airship could be used for war... to kill people.. take away their parents, be used as a tool of war and rain death and destruction on villiages. I can't let that happen, I'm going to throw all these plans away because in this world needs dreams and dreamers because I can't have blood on my hands with my dreams.

Me: 😐 so the 4 hours of sidequests leading up to this was for nothing and to subvert expectations of an airship in an FF game, gotcha.||

Thanks, Unit 3.

[Noleen#7811 3]

first playthrough finished, this was the most final fantasy i've seen in a single game

the bads in no way outweight the good, such a great game

[Otti#8624 26]

I have been complaining a lot in this channel but I do agree it's still a good game

[Otti#8624 26]

There's just some baffling decisions every now and then, which would be fine if it was just once or twice but they do stack up