Kingdom Hearts 4 Chat

[ocean's rage 772]

1 hour ago, Sam N said:

I'd like to see Traverse Town populated beyond just the handful of npcs KH1 had

well as it's a refuge world would it have many inhabitants? 

[HellboundOrc 2]

Yeah Idk how much of a population it would have after KH1 restored the worlds.

[Fragment 1]

the real scala wouldnt be populated

think back to xehanort in khdr. Aside from the students and (1) teacher that was pretty much it. Upper class&xehanort class were very small

their were islands across the water which were stated to be empty. So the only hope for population would be if someone was secretly living on 1 of them, or another form of xehanort who stayed in scala to just obtain knowledge.

[ChrisTheAuraWarrior 0]

Emphemer helped Sora beat his grandson's ass kh3

[ali3n.0bserv3r 6]

I mean.

[ali3n.0bserv3r 6]

I would too.

If my grandson was Xehanort.

[Fragment 1]

its just tough love

xehanort needed a kick in the right direction

[ocean's rage 772]

30 minutes ago, Fragment said:

xehanort needed a kick in the right direction

up the backside

[CelestiallySinfulxx 1]

That response is killing me 💀 lmaoo

[moon☁ 10]

#XehanortDidNothingWrong

[Fragment 1]

I support xehanorts choices

everyone had their own view on right and wrong. to xehanort he believed he was doing good. sure we could say it was bad, but he wasn't trying to be a villain. just did things his own way

kh4 may help redeem him further then the ending of kh3 if we get another version of him in scala or quadratum

[moon☁ 10]

I wanna know why player lied to him and called him the child of destiny. They were setting him up for failure 💀

[Fragment 1]

he still was a child of destiny

without xehanort, odds are sora wouldnt have been put on the true path he was needed

you need child of destiny's to help other child of destiny's

[kylvex#0 0]

"The World needs someone to stand up and lead. Someone strong, to stop the weak from polluting the World with their Endless darkness. Someone to dictate their Destiny."
This is such an important speech for Xehanort and I love it so much. Xehanort is an amazing character.

[Sam N 10]

These are the words of a potential tyrant

[Fragment 1]

I mean the side of light is honestly just as bad as darkness

both sides end each other, and we dont really know what happened during that 1st war.

[hawk222_1550644792 16]

Idk if they're "just as bad" considering some of the heinous stuff done by those on the dark side (and more frequently, too)

[ali3n.0bserv3r 6]

Light without Darkness is blinding, Darkness without Light is an abyss. You cannot have one without the other.

[Altaninort 0]

Is a trope that exists not in KH

KH does a really bad job of trying to showcase any nuance between Light and Darkness

One is good, the other is evil

There's no attempt to say otherwise

Even Eraqus in KH BBS admits it was Darkness clouding his heart

Xehanort in the Re:Mind flashback believes that people are ruled by Darkness masquerading as a false light. Attempting to champion good but are in actuality evil

Darkness is a naturally corruptive force that consumes, infects and destroys. The Realm of Darkness is effectively super hell

The manifestations of true Darkness are formless scheming child murderers. The manifestations of pure Light are dormant inside of pure princesses who are paragons of goodness

And worlds seem to be doing just fine and dandy until Darkness is introduced and things go badly

[Sam N 10]

It was the excess of darkness that messed up the worlds; not the existence of it

[Altaninort 0]

The world was noted to exist bathed in light, it was the introduction of darkness in general that began muddying everything. As people became corrupted by it

When people began to covet Kingdom Hearts, and Darkness as an entity existed, it continued to expand and infect

It's existence is noted, even by itself to be that way. It spreads, infects and consumes innately. And darkness leads to more darkness. It's a spiral of consequences as seen with Terra and Riku. And Riku is noteworthy because he's immune to its naturally corruptive and corrosive effects. Whereas Terra was trying to be good, trying to protect his friends, but darkness had taken root and it almost cost him his existence because Xehanort took advantage of it

It's existence is naturally bad for everyone but itself

On the flipside, Light has no bad effects at all. And when things are pure light, or close to it, things are in harmony

[hawk222_1550644792 16]

You give people one ff14 storyline that shows how light can be bad and dark can be good and now you've got folks trying to apply that to everything

[moon☁ 10]

to be fair, the notion of darkness being not all that bad has been a thing since chain of memories.

KH has always kinda blurred the lines.

look at Eraqus and Riku as examples

If anything the games have reiterated how neither darkness or light are good or evil. 🤷 just one being harder to control over the other.

but that’s just my interpretation so 🤷

[Altaninort 0]

I don't think Riku and Eraqus can be used as good metrics for it

Eraqus in BBS directly acknowledges that in his dogmatic pursuit of light, he allowed himself to be ruled by darkness instead

He was championing light but let darkness into his heart

Which is directly Xehanort's philosophy

Riku is also noted to be immune to the bad things darkness does to someone

Which is different than darkness being good

Anyone else using it would risk corruption, his heart is just steeled to it

In both cases it's the individual who is exemplifying positive and negative qualities. Rather than Light and Darkness being evil and good respectively

[moon☁ 10]

ahhh. That makes sense tbh that it lies on the individual. 😮