More MoM Answers Than You Even Want

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53 minutes ago, setsugekka said:

Edit: In an earlier scene, Player's Chirithy was showing him a dream of a meeting between the Foretellers. In the dream, Player tried to enter the room. When he did, darkness appeared under his feet, causing him to wake up. The Player's Chirithy accuses the Dark Chirithy of being the one who interfered with the dream and remarked that they were going to become enemies. Apparently Player's Chirithy was trying to "protect" him.

Oh yeah I forgot about that! Chirithy and Dark Chirithy had a conversation in that scene:

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Chirithy: Was that you?

Dark Chirithy: Did you show him the dream? What is it you're trying to do?

Chirithy: The opposite of what you're doing.

Dark Chirithy: I guess that makes us enemies.

But why would Chirithy want [Player] to know about the Foretellers? Wouldn't carrying that knowledge be dangerous in itself? 

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So in the Yozora secret ending when the MoM appears, he seems to make a box shape before making a heart at the moon. Does this mean anything?

Several months ago(before the release of KHMoM), Damo279 made a very interesting video about Quadratum and the building that the MoM is standing on, which, in real life, is called Shibuya Hikarie. ?

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1 hour ago, Double OKP said:

But why would Chirithy want [Player] to know about the Foretellers? Wouldn't carrying that knowledge be dangerous in itself? 

That's what I'd assume, too. Again, since the MoM mentioned them becoming "unchained", I assume that this was something he wanted to happen. But that doesn't explain why the Chirithy would think that was a good idea... Maybe it wanted him to know the truth in order to make him avoid fighting in the keyblade war? They don't tell us what the Foretellers were talking about, so it's kinda confusing.

For the sake of clarity, I even looked at the same scene in the novel and it's nearly identical. Dark Chirithy implies that the Player's Chirithy is the one who showed him the dream, and then he accused the Dark Chirithy of being the one who interfered. (So hard to talk about these Chirithies when they're all called Chirithy...)

There is one thing in the novel that adds a little more detail...

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The masked five were listening to the sixth as he gave a speech to them, but you had no idea who he was.

All you knew was that this dream was going to lead you to actions, and those actions would change the course of your future.

Now seems like a good time to mention that "Agito" means "to put actions into motion." (That's the definition given in the Re: book.) I'm not saying that Player/Xehanort is supposed to be Agito (I still think that's Sora, strictly speaking), but it reminds me of the MoM's conversation with YMX and how he goaded him by asking whether he could really allow the future to be dictated by a false light, like he wanted YMX to think of himself as the one who deserved to serve that role. In a certain sense, he did. I'd say that Sora and Xehanort are both responsible for changing the future. And, you know, "good and evil" don't really exist and all that.

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"What's wrong? Do you hate darkness? Well, let me tell you a little secret: light and dark are two halves of the same coin. They're like day and night. One can't exist without the other."

Exactly, Dark Chirithy. That also happens to sound like that one quote from Trey I shared a while ago about how light and dark are synonymous existences.

He also says another thing I've been thinking this whole time.

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"The truth of this world isn't something you can teach, Chirithy. It's something you have to learn for yourself."

Right. And that's why the MoM couldn't simply give answers to YMX. I was thinking about that scene while watching a video where a yogi was talking about enlightenment. It's impossible to tell someone how to become enlightened. The truth of reality is something each person has to find for themselves because the truth is indescribable. Words are just illusion.

I may have gotten a little emotional while watching this one scene. I'll just give you a link so you can see for yourself. (15:53) I think this was the first time Player ever spoke, and it was to talk about how important Ephemer was to him.

Ephemer's investigations of the clock tower were probably a lot more important than I ever realized. His relationship with Player was more important that I realized. I was a fool... lol Ephemer seems to have become unchained shortly after joining the Dandelions. I think I have the order of events correct here... He was going to sneak into the clock tower, but he was stopped by a dark figure. I'm pretty sure we found out later that that's when Ava recruited him. (So the figure was just Ava.) Part of the reason she recruited him was because he was getting close to the "truth." I don't think Ephemer ever succeeded in entering the clock tower...? But in one of the dreams he shows Player, he's inviting Player to sneak into the clock tower with him. Player hesitates, so Ephemer says "you must not be ready" and disappears in a little cloud of dandelions. It seems like he knew that he couldn't simply show Player the truth, he had to wait for him to grasp it on his own.

Anyhow, different topic. I didn't get the impression that the Dark Chirithy was created by the bangles. He was the one who gave the wielders the bangles to begin with. Then it was the consumption of darkness from the bangle that turned him into a Dark Chirithy. The bangles were actually collecting large amounts of lux, but it was achieved by fighting even more powerful Heartless, so they were absorbing darkness along with the light. Ironically, the Chirithy even warned Player not to go too far or something bad would happen.

I saw your next comment, but now it's getting late for me, so I must retire my brain for now. This has been very enlightening~ lol

Edited January 6, 2021 by setsugekka

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17 minutes ago, Double OKP said:

Several months ago(before the release of KHMoM), Damo279 made a very interesting video about Quadratum and the building that the MoM is standing on, which, in real life, is called Shibuya Hikarie. ?

I managed to watch the video before bed. lol

That's interesting. I don't know if it really adds or changes anything for my theories, but still. Neat!

Hearing him mention the orange light that seems to surround the side of the city that Sora and the MoM are on, that reminded me... Have I ever shared this? I know I've shared it elsewhere, but not here.

Behold~!

MoM is on the Type-0 side. Naturally, Yozora is on the FFXV side.

That was the keyart that was used to promote Type-0 and the FFXV Duscae demo. You had to preorder Type-0 in order to get the demo. Most people preordered it JUST FOR THE DEMO and then didn't care about Type-0... And I was one of those people. dfkjghf

But you gotta wonder what the thinking was behind that strategy. Was it just to sell more copies of Type-0? I'm sure it worked. lol But part of me wonders if they wanted to make sure that people would play both of them. For Kingdom Hearts reasons. Real Tinfoil Hat Hours.

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12 hours ago, setsugekka said:

Now seems like a good time to mention that "Agito" means "to put actions into motion." (That's the definition given in the Re: book.) I'm not saying that Player/Xehanort is supposed to be Agito (I still think that's Sora, strictly speaking), but it reminds me of the MoM's conversation with YMX and how he goaded him by asking whether he could really allow the future to be dictated by a false light, like he wanted YMX to think of himself as the one who deserved to serve that role. In a certain sense, he did. I'd say that Sora and Xehanort are both responsible for changing the future. And, you know, "good and evil" don't really exist and all that.

It's interesting when the MoM gives roles, such as his conversation with YMX, he just nudges them in the right path and the rest is up to them. A lot of people blame the MoM for manipulating the Foretellers to turn against each other but in my opinion I don't think that's the case. He simply gave them their roles and left. Nothing was really his fault, it was the Foretellers' fault for not being aware of the darkness manipulating them behind the scenes. If they had been quick to assess the situation, they would fare like the Dandelion Union Leaders did(well, they did just fine because of Brain and his, well, brains). And for YMX, the MoM simply told him to do what he thought was right, which set his course but YMX causing suffering to others has nothing to do with the MoM.

12 hours ago, setsugekka said:

Anyhow, different topic. I didn't get the impression that the Dark Chirithy was created by the bangles. He was the one who gave the wielders the bangles to begin with. Then it was the consumption of darkness from the bangle that turned him into a Dark Chirithy. The bangles were actually collecting large amounts of lux, but it was achieved by fighting even more powerful Heartless, so they were absorbing darkness along with the light. Ironically, the Chirithy even warned Player not to go too far or something bad would happen.

Ohh I see. That makes sense

12 hours ago, setsugekka said:

I saw your next comment, but now it's getting late for me, so I must retire my brain for now. This has been very enlightening~ lol

I was up past midnight and was getting sleepy too haha.

12 hours ago, setsugekka said:

Hearing him mention the orange light that seems to surround the side of the city that Sora and the MoM are on, that reminded me... Have I ever shared this? I know I've shared it elsewhere, but not here.

That's interesting! I always thought that different color lights were strange but I didn't know it could have more meaning!

So the title of the game that Yozora appears in is called Verum Rex, which in Latin translates to True King. I wonder what significance that has to Yozora? The first and last letters of Verum Rex is V and X. If you reverse them and combine them they make XV...Final Fantasy XV...no this is probably just a coincidence lol. Also, Luxord was number X in the old Organization and V in the real...if you combine them...was this intentional???

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2 hours ago, Double OKP said:

So the title of the game that Yozora appears in is called Verum Rex, which in Latin translates to True King. I wonder what significance that has to Yozora?

Noctis is referred to as the true king!

The Re:Mind secret movie with Yozora is also called "Falsus Rex", false king. (In the context of FFXV, I'd say that Ardyn ends up being the one who's considered the false king, but I don't sense him anywhere in KH. Well, there's Magia, Yozora's red-haired friend who looks like a combination of Prompto and Ardyn, but I doubt it's referring to him.) Unless they come out and tell us if someone's specifically supposed to be the "true king" and "false king", I get the feeling it's one of those things that might always be up for interpretation. Beyond this, I don't feel confident even making any guesses about it.

tbh, there are some things about Ardyn that remind me of the MoM. But the more I think about it, the less it fits... And then I look back at Jack and Type-0 and I'm once again reminded of what perfect harmony looks like~ ...I wouldn't be surprised if the MoM takes some inspiration from Ardyn in the future of the series, though, especially in regards to how the MoM will interact with Yozora.

Have we ever heard if both endings are supposed to be considered canon? I heard that one of the Japanese novels followed the ending where Sora was turned to crystal, and it seems like that's the route they took in KHMoM, seeing as how they couldn't find Sora in the Final World. I'm just not sure if the other ending is outright considered non-canon, but I hesitate to think of it like an alternate timeline or something. That just doesn't make sense, especially when we already saw an actual divergence happen in the keyblade graveyard. Sora and the others fell to darkness, but he used the Power of Waking to overwrite that time. I believe Nomura even said that it didn't create an alternate timeline. The situation with Yozora seems totally different. Hmm... I don't want to completely discredit it because it could come back and slap me in the face later, but I don't know what to do with it for now.

Remember when the star girl said that Yozora's heart had been "replaced by another's"? Yozora claims that his appearance isn't really how he's supposed to look. I kinda think he meant that literally. Even though they look very similar, part of me wonders if the star girl is referring to Noctis. I mean... If you wanna be cynical, you could say that FFXV's Noctis took the place of Versus XIII's Noctis. They really do feel like different characters, tbh. If you look back at the first Versus XIII trailers, Noctis seemed a lot more severe and serious. FFXV Noctis has his serious moments, but I'd say that he's a fundamentally lighthearted person underneath the serious-looking exterior. In contrast, Yozora acts more like what I expected from the Noctis I saw in the first Versus XIII trailer. Do you think Nomura would go there? Because that's just how it sounds to me.

There's also the fact that Yozora seemed surprised that Sora could recognize him as being Yozora despite his apparently different appearance. So here's what I think might be happening...

Sora thinks Yozora is a character from a game, so he's surprised that he exists.

Similarly, Yozora thinks that Sora is a character from a game or a mythical figure like Agito, so he's surprised when Sora claims to be Sora. Currently, we haven't seen anything to suggest that Sora looks different in Yozora's world. Yozora's surprise ("YOU'RE Sora?") suggests to me that he's surprised that a person named Sora exists at all, like Agito. "I've heard of you" sounds like a vague answer, but it leaves open the possibility that Yozora didn't know what to look for.

Anyhow, I assume that this is why they both say the line about having strange dreams and being unsure if things are real or not.

In the Toybox world, Yozora - in his current form with the name "Yozora" - is depicted as a character of Verum Rex. For some reason, the fictional depiction of him in Toybox matches Yozora's current reality which he claims is incorrect. ...Honestly, this whole thing could be about the FNC characters resisting the changes that were brought upon them in development.

That was a lot of Verum Rex thoughts. Mostly confusion. ...Can nothing stop me from going on tangents no one asked for? lol

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25 minutes ago, setsugekka said:

Noctis is referred to as the true king!

Ah I see!

 

25 minutes ago, setsugekka said:

Have we ever heard if both endings are supposed to be considered canon? I heard that one of the Japanese novels followed the ending where Sora was turned to crystal, and it seems like that's the route they took in KHMoM, seeing as how they couldn't find Sora in the Final World. I'm just not sure if the other ending is outright considered non-canon, but I hesitate to think of it like an alternate timeline or something. That just doesn't make sense, especially when we already saw an actual divergence happen in the keyblade graveyard. Sora and the others fell to darkness, but he used the Power of Waking to overwrite that time. I believe Nomura even said that it didn't create an alternate timeline. The situation with Yozora seems totally different. Hmm... I don't want to completely discredit it because it could come back and slap me in the face later, but I don't know what to do with it for now.

Nomura confirmed that? I think he said that in the intro of KHIII when Sora is in the Final World and says this:

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They can take your world. They can take your heart. Cut you loose from all you know...But if it's your fate, then every step forward will always be a step closer to home.

that this is after the Yozora boss fight. I'm not sure, but I remember he said something like that.

The next and final KHIII novel is coming out this month so we'll find out!

26 minutes ago, setsugekka said:

Similarly, Yozora thinks that Sora is a character from a game or a mythical figure like Agito, so he's surprised when Sora claims to be Sora. Currently, we haven't seen anything to suggest that Sora looks different in Yozora's world. Yozora's surprise ("YOU'RE Sora?") suggests to me that he's surprised that a person named Sora exists at all, like Agito. "I've heard of you" sounds like a vague answer, but it leaves open the possibility that Yozora didn't know what to look for.

Hmm...but Yozora mentions someone told him to go 'save Sora'. I have a feeling it was the MoM but I'm not sure

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1 hour ago, Double OKP said:

Nomura confirmed that?

idk how I would go about finding it now, but I definitely recall seeing that in an interview that came out after KH3. I think it was still before Re:Mind. I remember this because it made me disappointed when it destroyed one of my theories. lol It's not often that Nomura clarifies something like that.

1 hour ago, Double OKP said:

that this is after the Yozora boss fight. I'm not sure, but I remember he said something like that.

I had that part at the back of my mind since it does look similar, with Sora staring up at the sky. I don't remember Nomura saying that one, though. lol (There's truly too much information to keep track of!!) Regardless, even if he did say that, I wonder if it's literally supposed to be the same. I don't think of the openings as taking place at any particular time since they're always montages. Reminded me of the scene with the strange Darkside again, but I don't think it's connected. They both take place in the Final World, but I can't picture the one scene flowing into the other... So now we have two scenes that seem "extra" and unaccounted for in the known timeline.

1 hour ago, Double OKP said:

Hmm...but Yozora mentions someone told him to go 'save Sora'. I have a feeling it was the MoM but I'm not sure

Yeah, and I think that's all they told him. lol What's interesting is that all he says is "I was told to save Sora." Don't you love how vague all of the wording in this series is? (That's sarcasm.) For all we know, it could've been a Crystal that told him. The only people who seem possible to me would be MoM, Ava, uhhh... Joshua, I guess??? Maybe??? Or possibly someone we don't know yet. (Edit: Or Skuld! We still don't know where Xigbar sent her. I don't know how she would know about Sora, but the sky's the limit with Quadratum right now.)

I just watched the scene again. He also says "Why are you using Sora's name?" Which also... doesn't tell us whether or not he knows who "Sora" is. I still think it could be the same as the name "Agito." That answer satisfies me for now, but I know it's probably not the right answer. I'm not sure if we can figure this one out without more information. I'm keeping Verum Rex in the corner of my eye, but I'm willing to not think about it too hard for now.

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3 hours ago, setsugekka said:

idk how I would go about finding it now, but I definitely recall seeing that in an interview that came out after KH3. I think it was still before Re:Mind. I remember this because it made me disappointed when it destroyed one of my theories. lol It's not often that Nomura clarifies something like that.

ah okay

5 hours ago, setsugekka said:

Remember when the star girl said that Yozora's heart had been "replaced by another's"? Yozora claims that his appearance isn't really how he's supposed to look. I kinda think he meant that literally. Even though they look very similar, part of me wonders if the star girl is referring to Noctis. I mean... If you wanna be cynical, you could say that FFXV's Noctis took the place of Versus XIII's Noctis. They really do feel like different characters, tbh. If you look back at the first Versus XIII trailers, Noctis seemed a lot more severe and serious. FFXV Noctis has his serious moments, but I'd say that he's a fundamentally lighthearted person underneath the serious-looking exterior. In contrast, Yozora acts more like what I expected from the Noctis I saw in the first Versus XIII trailer. Do you think Nomura would go there? Because that's just how it sounds to me.

I don't think Nomura would put Noctis in Kingdom Hearts. He said that the world of Quadratum is not Versus XIII but something completely different. I think he should do that with the characters as well. And I think Yozora(in his original form) has appeared in the series before because Nomura said that the Nameless Star has appeared in the series before... Gosh, but I can't even guess who she is. It's not Skuld because in a Dengeki interview Nomura was asked about 'the girl' Lea and Isa mentioned and the Nameless Star:

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Interviewer: Many people who have finished KH3 are interested in the 'girl' that Lea and Isa were looking for, and the existence of the 'Nameless Star' in the Final World. Can you give us any kind of hint about the truth behind these girls? Are they characters who have already appeared in the series?

Tetsuya Nomura: I think this is also possible to figure out for yourself if you look at all the secret reports, but yes, they are characters who have already appeared in the series. You will find out who 'Nameless Star' if there is a next time.

Translations: Goldpanner

So obviously Skuld can't be the Nameless Star(unless Nomura was talking like they were two separate characters because he didn't want to spoil it). But then who is it? It's gotta be someone with a SoraKairi type of relationship but I can't think of anyone. And I can't even begin to guess who Yozora is supposed to be.

3 hours ago, setsugekka said:

Yeah, and I think that's all they told him. lol What's interesting is that all he says is "I was told to save Sora." Don't you love how vague all of the wording in this series is? (That's sarcasm.) For all we know, it could've been a Crystal that told him. The only people who seem possible to me would be MoM, Ava, uhhh... Joshua, I guess??? Maybe??? Or possibly someone we don't know yet. (Edit: Or Skuld! We still don't know where Xigbar sent her. I don't know how she would know about Sora, but the sky's the limit with Quadratum right now.)

Oh yeah about Joshua, I was watching a video by ProdigyxCD titled 'Verum Rex HINTED at in Dream Drop Distance | Does Joshua know Yozora? - Kingdom Hearts Phase 2' and Prodigy brought up this quote. It's when Joshua and Riku are talking:

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I had a friend once who said he never dreamed of anything. But it turned out that his dreams were the most powerful dreams of all. You sort of remind me of him.

At first it seems to imply that he's talking about Neku but...it's possible he was talking about someone else. And 'you sort of remind me of him' makes me think about how in Toy Box Sora, Donald, and Goofy note that Yozora looks like Riku.?

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1 hour ago, Double OKP said:

I don't think Nomura would put Noctis in Kingdom Hearts.

It would be chaotic and I think he should do it. Unleash the madness.

When it came to the topic of which Final Fantasy characters would be in KH3, I remember seeing a lot of people acting like Noctis could never be in KH because Nomura had "salty feelings about what happened to FFXV." Now that we know about Verum Rex, that turned out to be kind of ironic. In a sense, Noctis IS in the game now, but he's represented by Yozora. I don't think that totally eliminates the possibility of FFXV Noctis showing up, though.

The Dissidia display in Toybox still gives me the unshakeable feeling that any Final Fantasy world could appear in the future along with any of the actual characters.

39 minutes ago, Double OKP said:

He said that the world of Quadratum is not Versus XIII but something completely different.

I think that's because Quadratum isn't part of Yozora's world. He wakes up in the car and he's somewhere else which seems more like Insomnia. Quadratum mirrors Shibuya which has more to do with TWEWY if anything. They both look like metropolitan cities, so I think it's easy to get the two confused. I often find myself thinking of Quadratum like it's the Verum Rex world, but... I think it's a space between worlds, like the unreality equivalent of something like The World That Never Was.

Speaking of Insomnia... Noctis was originally supposed to have some kind of dream powers. Even the name of his home, "Insomnia", was part of the theme. Can't wait to find out what Yozora's "powers" actually are.

41 minutes ago, Double OKP said:

And I think Yozora(in his original form) has appeared in the series before because Nomura said that the Nameless Star has appeared in the series before...

Huh, I think you might've misread the quote.

"I think this is also possible to figure out for yourself if you look at all the secret reports, but yes, they are characters who have already appeared in the series." This is referring to Subject X (Skuld.)

"You will find out who 'Nameless Star' if there is a next time." This is referring to the Nameless Star, and he meant that you'd have to wait for the next game (KHMoM) to see who that was. And now we know that it's Yozora's girl.

So, I don't think we've seen a different version of Yozora yet. We're running out of characters who can be other characters anyway. It's getting a little silly.

43 minutes ago, Double OKP said:

At first it seems to imply that he's talking about Neku but...it's possible he was talking about someone else. And 'you sort of remind me of him' makes me think about how in Toy Box Sora, Donald, and Goofy note that Yozora looks like Riku.?

That's an interesting train of thought. I'm not sure if I can imagine Joshua and Yozora being friends, but it's something I'll keep at the back of my mind.

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1 hour ago, setsugekka said:

Huh, I think you might've misread the quote.

I was just thinking that since Nameless Star has appeared, it would be plausible if Yozora did. But the characters are definitely running out so I'm probably wrong. And the Nameless Star could be Stella from the Verum Rex trailer(she even has a star necklace). Speaking of which, you know how the cover arts for the numbered KH games(KHI, KHII, etc.) depict the world in the next numbered game? In the KHIII one, there is that Clock Tower which I heard is from TWEWY(I've never played TWEWY or any Final Fantasy(ahem...i played part of the original FFVII)). On the building the characters are standing on, there's this Heartless-looking creature that's holding a star perhaps referencing the Nameless Star? And also in an interview, Nomura said that the four objects on the corners of the top of the Clock Tower are actually four people in black coats. Who could they be...?

1 hour ago, setsugekka said:

I think that's because Quadratum isn't part of Yozora's world. He wakes up in the car and he's somewhere else which seems more like Insomnia. Quadratum mirrors Shibuya which has more to do with TWEWY if anything. They both look like metropolitan cities, so I think it's easy to get the two confused. I often find myself thinking of Quadratum like it's the Verum Rex world, but... I think it's a space between worlds, like the unreality equivalent of something like The World That Never Was.

Ah I see. I just assumed they were the same.

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10 hours ago, Double OKP said:

Who could they be...?

There's actually six visible cloaked figures lined up together. (The two in the middle kind of blend into the building, but they're there. lol) It's probably Luxu, Invi, Ira, Aced, Gula, and either MoM or Ava since the two of them are unaccounted for at the moment.

The gargoyle looks like a Darkling. I'm not sure what the star means... It could represent lux, seeing as how lux is also shaped like a star and Darklings crave lux. But the star feels so strongly associated with the star girl in my mind now, it makes me wonder if it has to do with her. It's glowing with a gold color like it's alive. Lux is usually a light blue color.

I haven't heard anything about where that building with the clock is supposed to come from, but I'm glad you brought it up. I can't say I've thought about it. I wonder if that's supposed to be the new Foreteller home base.

Also, the cat in the picture is apparently Nomura's own cat. lol Fun fact.

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4 hours ago, setsugekka said:

There's actually six visible cloaked figures lined up together. (The two in the middle kind of blend into the building, but they're there. lol) It's probably Luxu, Invi, Ira, Aced, Gula, and either MoM or Ava since the two of them are unaccounted for at the moment.

Oh didn't notice that! The translation from that interview said four(unless I misread), I guess I didn't observe closer! I'm guessing Ava is left out since there is currently absolutely no clue of her whereabouts.

 

4 hours ago, setsugekka said:

The gargoyle looks like a Darkling. I'm not sure what the star means... It could represent lux, seeing as how lux is also shaped like a star and Darklings crave lux. But the star feels so strongly associated with the star girl in my mind now, it makes me wonder if it has to do with her. It's glowing with a gold color like it's alive. Lux is usually a light blue color.

Hmm...From the picture it looks like the sun is illuminating the star making it yellow/orangish.

4 hours ago, setsugekka said:

I haven't heard anything about where that building with the clock is supposed to come from, but I'm glad you brought it up. I can't say I've thought about it. I wonder if that's supposed to be the new Foreteller home base.

OH I JUST FOUND OUT IT'S A REAL PLACE IN SHIBUYA, TOKYO!! It's called the NTT Docomo Yoyogi building:

 

So from this picture you can see that the black pillars(aka the black coated people) were additions by Nomura. I'm going to try to do the same thing as Damo; I'm going to use Google Maps/Earth to locate how far it is from the locations of the KHIII secret ending! 

I suddenly got super excited lol

Edit: According to a commenter on Google Maps they light up the tower on special occasions. And in the KHIII box art it's lit up!

Edit: So, the area of the secret ending on Sora's side is where Shibuya Station is located. From there to the NTT Docomo Yoyogi(a looong name) it's about 3.5 km away, a 10-minute drive, so they're fairly close! 

Another edit: This is what it looks like when it lights up(this person's picture is a little blurry):

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16 minutes ago, Double OKP said:

It's called the NTT Docomo Yoyogi building:

Intereeesting. Thanks for finding it! I went to look up the name.

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NTT Docomo Inc. is the predominant mobile phone operator in Japan. The name is officially an abbreviation of the phrase, "do communications over the mobile network", and is also from a compound word dokomo, meaning "everywhere" in Japanese.

Mobile phones... I wonder if that's a wink and a nudge at khux being a mobile game.

The "NTT" stands for "Nippon Telegraph and Telephone", but seeing "NT" made me think of Dissidia NT. That stands for a few things: "The NT in the title was confirmed to have multiple meanings such as "New Trial", "New Tournament", and "New Tale"."

This is really interesting. What I wonder what the significance is supposed to be. I mean, obviously, it's a building with a clock on it, so it's probably supposed to make us think of the clock tower (and Type-0, imo lol) but there could be more to it than I realize.

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4 minutes ago, setsugekka said:

Intereeesting. Thanks for finding it! I went to look up the name.

Mobile phones... I wonder if that's a wink and a nudge at khux being a mobile game.

The "NTT" stands for "Nippon Telegraph and Telephone", but seeing "NT" made me think of Dissidia NT. That stands for a few things: "The NT in the title was confirmed to have multiple meanings such as "New Trial", "New Tournament", and "New Tale"."

This is really interesting. What I wonder what the significance is supposed to be. I mean, obviously, it's a building with a clock on it, so it's probably supposed to make us think of the clock tower (and Type-0, imo lol) but there could be more to it than I realize.

Ooh interesting! There have been several clock towers in the series and now there's another one!?

I don't know why but I just went ahead and found Riku's location when he looks up at Yozora(Riku was standing on the left sidewalk but I took a screenshot from the street because from the sidewalk the trees were blocking the tower):

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5 minutes ago, Double OKP said:

don't know why but I just went ahead and found Riku's location when he looks up at Yozora

You probably already know this, but it's just fun to see it

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Insomnia was planned to appear in Final Fantasy Versus XIII, although its name was not revealed until the game was rebranded "Final Fantasy XV." Based on the real-world location Shinjuku, Insomnia's royal Citadel is modeled after the Tokyo Metropolitan Government building.

So the building Yozora's sitting on is the one that Noctis's actual home, the Citadel, looks like. It's also where the Crystal was kept. I think that might be important. (idk, something just tells me that we'll be seeing some crystals, considering the fact that Sora was crystalized.)

I'm pretty sure it's the same building Noctis steps out of to fight the guards in the first Versus XIII trailer.

There are numerous videos out there of people going out of bounds to explore Insomnia. I haven't watched any yet, but I might. I'm just terrible with things like maps and directions. You seem pretty savvy, so you might get more out of those videos than I would. For instance, I know that Insomnia is like Tokyo, but I'm not sure to what extent. Again, I don't think that Quadratum is Insomnia. It's just that all of these places are based on Tokyo. lol

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5 hours ago, setsugekka said:

There are numerous videos out there of people going out of bounds to explore Insomnia. I haven't watched any yet, but I might. I'm just terrible with things like maps and directions. You seem pretty savvy, so you might get more out of those videos than I would. For instance, I know that Insomnia is like Tokyo, but I'm not sure to what extent. Again, I don't think that Quadratum is Insomnia. It's just that all of these places are based on Tokyo. lol

?Well...I'm an overly enthusiastic Kingdom Hearts fan! I'd go very far to uncover the mysteries Nomura puts into the series!

I watched one video and it is completely different from the real world unlike Quadratum which is pretty much identical(excluding 104 tower of course). I also watched the Versus XIII trailer and...it was very confusing

In KHDays, Xion's crystallization is completely different from Sora's, right?

Edit: (This isn't Kingdom Hearts related) I was just looking(on Google Maps) around the Shibuya Crossway and I realized that's where the statue of Hachiko is! I watched the movie about it several years ago, I guess I forgot it was originally in Shibuya!

Another edit: From the Square Enix building, you can see the NTT tower. That'd be cool if the Square Enix building appeared in Quadratum!

Another edit: The NTT tower is visible from the top of the Metropolitan tower

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Okay, I just got really confused. The Metropolitan Tower can be seen from here:

But when I went to the same perspective on Google Maps, it looked like this:I marked the position red. The two 'pillars' of the building are facing the MoM in the Quadratum picture but here it's facing by its side. But Shibuya Hikarie is the correct building for the MoM because the Shibuya Crosswalk can be seen below him and in the Google Maps, which Damo pointed out. Did they just turn the building???

And also, the NTT tower is visible in the Google Maps picture(top right)...but it's not there in Quadratum(or is it more to the right out of the picture? Yeah, I think that's the case). There are noticeably a lot of building missing in Quadratum. And I noticed Yoyogi Park was replaced by buildings. No sign of wildlife lol

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2 hours ago, Double OKP said:

?Well...I'm an overly enthusiastic Kingdom Hearts fan! I'd go very far to uncover the mysteries Nomura puts into the series!

Same. lol I think about this stuff way more than any person reasonably should. I've been enjoying these conversations and appreciate your help, btw. We're getting closer to becoming unchained...!

2 hours ago, Double OKP said:

In KHDays, Xion's crystallization is completely different from Sora's, right?

To be honest, I'm not sure if anyone knows why she crystalized like that. It doesn't feel the same to me, but I don't think we have the ability to say that it's entirely unrelated...

Xion turned to crystal and disintegrated because the memory of her was being consumed. In Sora's case, it doesn't seem to have anything to do with memories; no one forgot him. His crystal also didn't shatter. Since Yozora said that he would save him, that's what makes me think that Sora's crystallization was for his protection, though the exact cause of it is unknown. If Yozora caused it, I can't tell how he did it.

When Sora lost, it almost looked like he was dying, right...? I'm not going to say that Sora is a l'Cie, but when a l'Cie dies, they turn to crystal. If that's the case, I wonder if that could also explain why Kairi looked like she turned to crystal when Xehanort struck her. Heck, you could even try to explain Xion's crystallization that way; she did "die" in a sense that time. I don't know if this is the right train of thought, though. There are a lot of inconsistencies. Each instance feels different in their own way.

2 hours ago, Double OKP said:

The NTT tower is visible from the top of the Metropolitan tower

I hope these are the Foretellers' and Verum Rex guys' bases. It'd be cool if we could actually explore these buildings. (For legal reasons, I expect they wouldn't be allowed to replicate the inside of the buildings, though.)

Now, back to my earlier thoughts about Player and Ephemer...

I'm really feelin' it. After rereading their khx scenes together, I'm amazed I never paid attention to how close they were. I guess I kept thinking that Player was just an unimportant filler character, especially because they never spoke. But the first time he spoke was to talk about how important Ephemer was to him. I already can't remember how much I've said about this here, so I might be repeating myself a little, but here's the thought process...

Ephemer broke his promise to meet Player and left him waiting for him in the fountain plaza. After the keyblade war, Ephemer made it up to him by returning for him to bring him to the other world line. That's where he says the line "We'll go together." THIS LINE TASTES IMPORTANT.

Thinking about where things could go from here, I don't think there's any way Ephemer would leave him behind again. If the new union leaders start debating who's going to take the pods, I feel like there's a very strong chance that Ephemer will let the others take the pods so he can go back for Player.

The most essential part of Ephemer's characterization is his curiosity and his questioning of the world they live in. After meeting Ephemer, Player helps him with his investigations of the world. THE DOTS. I'M CONNECTING THEM.

When Xehanort wakes up on the beach, it's after having a dream about Player's adventures. His dreams specifically included the moment when Ephemer told Player that they would "go together." Xehanort mentions feeling like he was "falling through the sky" as he was laying on the beach which reminded me of the KH1 opening. It immediately brought Sora to mind. Why does Xehanort seem to share so many things in common with Sora...? tbh, it had me thinking "Xehanort is Sora!" for a hot, stupid second. lmao

At the beginning of KH1, Sora says the line about having "weird thoughts lately" and questions whether anything is real or not. *I point at Ephemer questioning the world*

The dreams are what led Xehanort to believe that there had to be more outside the island and gave him his desire to go out and see other worlds.

Sora wakes up on the beach and questions whether his dream (about the Darkside) was real. He asks Kairi about where she came from and he talks about wanting to see other worlds.

*drums my nails on my desk*

Ephemer's importance wouldn't be restricted to one measly scene where he helps Sora in the keyblade graveyard... Due to the way that Xehanort and Sora are connected, if Xehanort and Player are connected, it almost seems impossible that Sora and Ephemer wouldn't be connected in the same way as them. THE CONSISTENCY. IT'S WEIRDLY CONSISTENT. I could be suuuuper wrong, but I've reached a point here where what I'm seeing looks... correct. I don't want to get trapped in this train of thought if it's wrong, but... There sure are a lot of pieces here that feel like they were made to go together.

Like, this actually makes Xehanort=Player look like something extremely intentional? I thought it seemed random, but......... *stares into space*

The fact that Ava also began to believe that they should question things makes me wonder what the pursuit of the truth could mean for her. I don't get the sense that it led to the same outcome as what happened to Player and Ephemer, though... Her chess piece was on the board, so I assume she must still be around. At one point, I seriously believed she could be Luxord in disguise. (I'd like to believe that my brain has improved since then.)

You know how Darkness appeared to be taking the form of Ava when he led Ventus to steal Strelitzia's rule book? Darkness seems to be a plural being. So there could be more than one. "They" probably all share the same consciousness. Unless they explicitly disproved this anywhere and I'm just unaware or forgetting, I feel like Darkness could have possessed Ava. After she clashed with Luxu, she may have had some darkness in her heart or she was in a vulnerable state that made it easy for Darkness to take control of her. She seemed different when Player encountered her during the war. By that time, it sounded like she must have become aware of some secrets. ...I wonder if Darkness spoke to her. HM. HMMM. That's a lotta conjecture, but it's the best guess I can muster at the moment.

Jeez... Makes me think of Deuce's one kizuna event where she talked about not being as kind as people think. ........Hey, if Ephemer is Sora and Sora is Agito, then the way that Deuce sounds when she talks to the Agito Player in this kizuna event sounds A LOT like Ava and Ephemer. That's amazing...

Anyway, this makes me wonder if she ended up embracing Darkness in a way that even Luxu didn't. Tragic.

I see your new comment, btw. This comment is long enough. lol

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13 hours ago, setsugekka said:

I hope these are the Foretellers' and Verum Rex guys' bases. It'd be cool if we could actually explore these buildings. (For legal reasons, I expect they wouldn't be allowed to replicate the inside of the buildings, though.)

That would be so cool! I'm thinking it's likely to be the Verum Rex people's bases over the Foretellers as of right now because it hasn't been confirmed if the Foretellers were there or not.

14 hours ago, setsugekka said:

I guess I kept thinking that Player was just an unimportant filler character, especially because they never spoke.

Yeah, I always thought that way too! 

14 hours ago, setsugekka said:

Thinking about where things could go from here, I don't think there's any way Ephemer would leave him behind again. If the new union leaders start debating who's going to take the pods, I feel like there's a very strong chance that Ephemer will let the others take the pods so he can go back for Player.

The lifeboat thing confuses me. All of the Union Leaders and some Dandelions made it back to their original timeline but at different points in time. Brain  and a group of Dandelions remained at his present(right after the Keyblade War), where they built on the ruins of Daybreak Town(but then when did that world rotate upside down? When Maleficent returns back to the real world, nothing's upside down yet which means that it is when the picture from the weird machine in Scala Ad Caelum with the Clock Tower on a barren hill with the word 'Break' takes place because the Tower is right side up in that picture). Lauriam, Elrena, Ventus, and Skuld were displaced because of Lauriam's encounter with Maleficent, blasting them into the future within the same decade. Ephemer appeared in some form to Sora during the third Keyblade War. So, how did they manage to get that amount of people back to their worldline? And there are those Dandelions who couldn't make it back(Luxu had asked the MoM if they could return once they were done but the MoM said, "Well...Maybe not all of them." Judging from this I'm thinking some didn't make it back.).

14 hours ago, setsugekka said:

When Xehanort wakes up on the beach, it's after having a dream about Player's adventures. His dreams specifically included the moment when Ephemer told Player that they would "go together." Xehanort mentions feeling like he was "falling through the sky" as he was laying on the beach which reminded me of the KH1 opening. It immediately brought Sora to mind. Why does Xehanort seem to share so many things in common with Sora...? tbh, it had me thinking "Xehanort is Sora!" for a hot, stupid second. lmao

Hmm...interesting. I better go read Xehanort's dialogues again. ?Xehanort and Sora do seem to have a lot in common

14 hours ago, setsugekka said:

Ephemer's importance wouldn't be restricted to one measly scene where he helps Sora in the keyblade graveyard... Due to the way that Xehanort and Sora are connected, if Xehanort and Player are connected, it almost seems impossible that Sora and Ephemer wouldn't be connected in the same way as them. THE CONSISTENCY. IT'S WEIRDLY CONSISTENT. I could be suuuuper wrong, but I've reached a point here where what I'm seeing looks... correct. I don't want to get trapped in this train of thought if it's wrong, but... There sure are a lot of pieces here that feel like they were made to go together.

It definitely is weirdly consistent! I'm pretty sure some of this is intentional everything just fits like a puzzle. It's hard to imagine none of this being intentional.

14 hours ago, setsugekka said:

You know how Darkness appeared to be taking the form of Ava when he led Ventus to steal Strelitzia's rule book? Darkness seems to be a plural being. So there could be more than one. "They" probably all share the same consciousness. Unless they explicitly disproved this anywhere and I'm just unaware or forgetting, I feel like Darkness could have possessed Ava. After she clashed with Luxu, she may have had some darkness in her heart or she was in a vulnerable state that made it easy for Darkness to take control of her. She seemed different when Player encountered her during the war. By that time, it sounded like she must have become aware of some secrets. ...I wonder if Darkness spoke to her. HM. HMMM. That's a lotta conjecture, but it's the best guess I can muster at the moment.

Hmm...in that scene where 'Ava' is 'recruiting' Ventus, to me it seems very clearly that Darkness is just taking that specific form for the specific reason to make Ventus think he was being recruited by Ava herself. I don't think she was possessed but she was certainly shocked by the traitor's identity(speaking of that scene where Luxu recites the 'same passage' that Gula was reciting, I'm wondering if he was telling her something else on the Lost Page. Even though the timing of the scenes implies Luxu was reciting the same thing, it could be possible he wasn't and unlike us fans, Ava was able to deduce who the traitor was from that passage...but I can't help wondering how she could have. That passage was basically a riddle.). I think she figured out some stuff from that passage which is why she was different because of the new knowledge she obtained.

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9 hours ago, Double OKP said:

And there are those Dandelions who couldn't make it back

Whenever somebody says "Dandelions", I'm only thinking about the main characters, so I legit kind of... forget... that all the other Dandelions EXIST...

Entirely possible that only that small handful made it out of there. Luxu's secret report made it sound possible that another keyblade war could've taken place even in that data world, so history may have repeated itself...?

9 hours ago, Double OKP said:

to me it seems very clearly that Darkness is just taking that specific form for the specific reason to make Ventus think he was being recruited by Ava herself.

You make a good point. That was the impression I got based on the others' reactions when Ventus told them about what happened.

9 hours ago, Double OKP said:

I don't think she was possessed but she was certainly shocked by the traitor's identity(speaking of that scene where Luxu recites the 'same passage' that Gula was reciting, I'm wondering if he was telling her something else on the Lost Page. Even though the timing of the scenes implies Luxu was reciting the same thing, it could be possible he wasn't and unlike us fans, Ava was able to deduce who the traitor was from that passage...but I can't help wondering how she could have. That passage was basically a riddle.). I think she figured out some stuff from that passage which is why she was different because of the new knowledge she obtained.

I just... get the feeling that Luxu is supposed to be the traitor... And it fits with Agito, so I can't even be mad about it. lol Luxu's my boy, so I'm just... aghhh... ahhh why'd it have to be him... But... I reeeeally think it's supposed to be him...

The passage seems to coincide with everything that occurred. Gula also mentioned that the traitor bore the "sigil", which is the X. Luxu's the only one with an X in his name. It could just be that obvious, I guess. On top of that, the MoM explicitly told him to END THE WORLD. My mind has been trying to reject that line, but it exists. (It was from one of the more recent updates.) Gula refers to the traitor as the one who's trying to end the world. And as we know from Agito, the Judge's Focus includes ending the world.

"Words of truth misunderstood as they explore the secret of tomorrow."

During his scene with Ava, I thiiink it seems safe to say that Luxu thinks he understands the truth. Ava accused him of twisting the Master's intentions. I think she was right about that, but I don't think that automatically means that she understands. When I think about Jack, I question how much anyone can truly understand the MoM's intentions. In that one dffoo scene I shared a couple days ago, Deuce charitably misinterpreted his intentions:

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Deuce: Jack was just trying to get you to be more positive.
Jack: Is that so~ Nah, it's better to just enjoy yourself, that's all. Though~ If you insist on reading into it like that, then that's alright, too~
Machina: Haha. Perhaps I'll have to punish you myself.

It seems like she's the only one who never gets fed up with him because she always makes excuses for his actions. Sometimes it's over inconsequential things like here where he was just teasing Machina a little. Other times, he's saying things like "humans are barbaric creatures that will always kill each other" and she tries her hardest to pretend like she didn't hear him say that. So, it follows that if Luxu tells Ava the truth, she would try her hardest to reject it. She wouldn't want to believe that the MoM would intentionally do something horrible. Luxu probably just repeated what he was told, though. Whatever he said couldn't have given her the full picture, either.

The MoM is definitely already gone, right? So there's no way for her to find out the truth from him. A while back, I was assuming that she may have tried to go looking for him... Hm. We haven't seen her in the data world, right? Weren't all of the most recent scenes with her flashbacks? Pretty sure the last time anyone saw her was at the keyblade war. I'm thinking about how the seventh pod was missing... I wonder if that was gone for a reason.

I'm so confused by the way they talk in the KH3 epilogue... If the Foretellers had gone to "another world" like Yen Sid said, then wouldn't they have known that Ava was missing? Was she with them in the other world, but then something prevented her from coming with them when Luxu summoned them? Or had they only been in that other world for such a short time, they didn't even have the time to notice that she wasn't there??

Anyway, somewhat unrelated, but I just noticed another similarity between Ava and Deuce. When Ava started talking about how it's best for the wielders to forget the past, I was like "But Deuce would never-- ...Wait, she HAS said that."

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Ava: There's no need for them to remember such a tragedy. It'll simply be a burden. Only the five of you will know the truth. The Chirithy of each wielder will make it happen.
Ephemer: It might be a burden, but isn't it better to remember the past? The past IS what makes the future.
Ava: I thought you might say that. But I wonder if you would feel the same if you were there to witness the end.

Deuce: Only the Oblivion of Death allows us to endure this situation. Without it, we would be too scared to fight! Imagine, if we remembered all those who perished in conflicts... Fear and sadness... Oh, it hurts just thinking about it!

Aaaand that one line explains how the Dandelions' memories were erased/suppressed. So... I guess it's not one of the MoM's powers after all. I hate how easy it was to overlook this line. It's literally just one line of text and then it's never brought up again as far as I know. dfkjhgfk There goes my idea of a Crystal controlling their memories... (But there could still be a Crystal in the box. You can't prove there isn't! lol)

My brain is about to explode...

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15 hours ago, setsugekka said:

I just... get the feeling that Luxu is supposed to be the traitor... And it fits with Agito, so I can't even be mad about it. lol Luxu's my boy, so I'm just... aghhh... ahhh why'd it have to be him... But... I reeeeally think it's supposed to be him...

The passage seems to coincide with everything that occurred. Gula also mentioned that the traitor bore the "sigil", which is the X. Luxu's the only one with an X in his name. It could just be that obvious, I guess. On top of that, the MoM explicitly told him to END THE WORLD. My mind has been trying to reject that line, but it exists. (It was from one of the more recent updates.) Gula refers to the traitor as the one who's trying to end the world. And as we know from Agito, the Judge's Focus includes ending the world.

I think Luxu's role was to be a traitor to the Foretellers. And also his name is the only one with the sigil(but what about the MoM?). The MoM told him to end the world??!! Wait oh, I think it's from 'Breath of Darkness'(also the scene that many fans feel like Nomura is talking to them lol). 

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MoM: There's a way to defeat the darkness.

Luxu: Huh?!

MoM: But it's not an easy solution. Time and planning are definitely needed for this. One or two lifetimes won't be enough. We'll leave this world. We'll also put an end to it. We'll throw away time, as well as the borders of the world itself. All of it to defeat the darkness.

Translations: Everglow

He says 'we'...hmm...maybe he gave the Foretellers those specific roles to manipulate them to starting the Keyblade War and that's how the MoM set up the world's destruction(he gave Gula the Lost Page, which was one of the main reasons why the Foretellers turned against each other: Aced was mad that Gula knew about their quarrel on the Lost Page without telling any of them(which is actually what the MoM ordered Gula to do!!! He told him to find the traitor but keep silent!!!), Ira wanted the Lost Page for himself...)? Also in 'Luxu's Goal' when Luxu tells Ava about the traitor he says this:

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What’s written on the Lost Page…the page none of you have in your Books. The page on which the Master’s intentions are inscribed.

Translations: Official Translations from The Keyblade War Parts 1, 2, & 3(Kingdom Hearts Union χ[Cross])

OH now I get it! This was always confusing but with 'Breath of Darkness', it makes sense! On the Lost Page is inscribed the events leading up to the Keyblade War. It starts from the Foretellers' conversation of the Dark Chirithy that Ira found snooping around(that was when Ira found out there was a Lost Page because that conversation wasn't in the Book) and goes through the events of the Keyblade War(in the KHIII Secret Reports(Secret Report 11), Luxu writes, "I have seen it through; the Keyblade War unfolded exactly as written on the Lost Page."). His plan, as revealed in 'Breath of Darkness', was to end that current world, go to the next, and enact the plan to defeat the darkness!!!

15 hours ago, setsugekka said:

The MoM is definitely already gone, right? So there's no way for her to find out the truth from him. A while back, I was assuming that she may have tried to go looking for him... Hm. We haven't seen her in the data world, right? Weren't all of the most recent scenes with her flashbacks? Pretty sure the last time anyone saw her was at the keyblade war. I'm thinking about how the seventh pod was missing... I wonder if that was gone for a reason.

I don't think he's dead, as he's clearly seen in Quadratum(but who knows when that was/will be). (If Demyx=MoM, then that could prove me wrong) About Ava, in the Kingdom Hearts χ[chi] novel, she has a sort of dialogue:

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Back then, I still hoped that end would never arrive. 

But it did, and here we were.

I remember wondering to myself: If everyone is fighting during the world's final moments...what will I be doing?

That was right after the flashback of Ava appointing Ephemer Union Leader. Then later during and after fighting [Player] at the Keyblade Graveyard:

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"Some secrets aren't meant to be known... Get away from here. Go with the Dandelions," I answered. This boy was not meant to vanish. He had a heart of light that could prevail over darkness. I put away my Keyblade. 

But then...where was I supposed to go?

This indicates that she went somewhere(I'm currently dying to know where). I don't think that she was in the data world; that just seems highly unlikely 'cause according to the KHIII Secret Reports, Luxu has been observing the data world(more specifically the Union Leaders) from afar. He would definitely notice Ava if she were around. Speaking of which, how in the world were the Dandelions transported into the data world in the first place? Was that ever explained anywhere?

In the KHIII epilogue, Luxu [mysteriously] says this:

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Luxu[looks around]: I guess Ava didn't make it after all.

Gula: Meaning what?

Luxu: I told her, clear as day, what it is I had to do.

Gula: And is that why you decided to exclude her?

Luxu: As if. Ava had her own mission, and she carried it out.

(May I just say that when he tells Gula, "I told her, clear as day...", he looks so sarcastically sympathetic lol)

But...what's this mean??!!

About the lifeboats/pods: The middle one was destroyed during Lauriam and Maleficent's fight, then Maleficent took the rightmost pod, leaving five left.

15 hours ago, setsugekka said:

I'm so confused by the way they talk in the KH3 epilogue... If the Foretellers had gone to "another world" like Yen Sid said, then wouldn't they have known that Ava was missing? Was she with them in the other world, but then something prevented her from coming with them when Luxu summoned them? Or had they only been in that other world for such a short time, they didn't even have the time to notice that she wasn't there??

Yeah, this is why I think the Foretellers were just taken from the point of time they disappeared/died during the second Keyblade War. Them traveling to 'another world' just doesn't fit. And that line in KHIII, Xehanort says to Sora, "You forget I plan for every eventuality." There hasn't been a single past hint(as far as I know) that indicates the Foretellers(minus Ava) going anywhere after that War. I'm totally taking that Xehanort line as Nomura speaking XD

15 hours ago, setsugekka said:

Aaaand that one line explains how the Dandelions' memories were erased/suppressed. So... I guess it's not one of the MoM's powers after all. I hate how easy it was to overlook this line. It's literally just one line of text and then it's never brought up again as far as I know. dfkjhgfk There goes my idea of a Crystal controlling their memories... (But there could still be a Crystal in the box. You can't prove there isn't! lol)

AAHH I forgot about that line! Just being mentioned once totally made me forget about it. There's so many things important to remember(and I try my best to stuff them all into my head)!!!

15 hours ago, setsugekka said:

My brain is about to explode...

?Same! Figuring out and piecing these stuff together is like a punch to my brain. But it's very exciting and fun figuring all this out!

This post has so many parentheses and quotes lol and is definitely punching my brain right now XD

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So in Damo's video, he turns the camera around so I went to try and see if the NTT tower was there and...(upper right area):...IT'S NOT THERE. Or else it's too far away so it despawned or Nomura hid it because of us fans [lol]. I wonder if someone could fly that far to check closer(I don't have Re:Mind so I can't do that myself). Or...is it farther right?

I was watching some out-of-bounds videos of the Verum Rex mini-game area. It is surrounded by water and then there is a city on land farther away. There was also a bridge. I can't tell where it's located in real life though(if it does have a real life location)

Edited January 10, 2021 by Double OKP

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So I was watching Youtuber 13th Vessel's video exploring Quadratum and there are a lot of easter eggs such as a shop called Travers Coffee(yes, it's missing the e for some weird reason), and the text of that is actually very similar to the world logo; it has arrows off the lines of the letters. Some of these signs, billboards, and stuff I think have deeper meaning. There are two neon signs that have that weird Japanese-looking language(or is it Japanese? I can't really tell) and below them is the words 'Bow Miaou' and also on the signs is a Meow Wow Dream Eater. Next to that building is another building with the purple neon words of that mysterious language and also the word 'Union'... Ah! why does my theory of the unchained realm being Quadratum seem more likely?! There's a place called Diamond Arena. On another sign I noticed this symbol ?(which is in the Re:Mind logo)with a bunch of other purple weird language(which looks TWEWY-esque). Haha, there's another billboard for a soda called 'Blue Berserk', sudden reference to Saïx. There's also a billboard that appears a lot for a smartwatch called Libra(which, according to Youtuber Gamer's Joint(he also has a video examining the details of Quadratum) is a Final Fantasy spell that displays the enemies' information), accompanied with the words 'Keep track of your mind and body'. Another billboard has a girl who looks identical to Stella(is that even her confirmed name? I'm not sure but I'll just call her that anyway), except her hair is in a ponytail. Above a building that is called Flamingo is a billboards with the words 'Imagination can sometimes entertain and impress people'...very mysterious. I also noticed a billboard advertising an umbrella company lol. There's also a lot of triangles for some reason.

The amount of detail put into Quadratum is amazing! I can't wait to explore Quadratum as Sora/Riku/whoever is going to explore it!

Edited January 10, 2021 by Double OKP

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18 hours ago, Double OKP said:

He says 'we'...hmm...

It's getting exhausting trying to find all the scenes where these lines come from... But with my knowledge of Japanese, I can make a pretty confident guess that he didn't say "we." I think that was just Everglow's interpretation. I always read Cherrim's translations on the night the game is updated, then I may or may not read khinsider later. I'm pretty sure it was worded as an order directed at Luxu. I'll let you know if I come across it again.

18 hours ago, Double OKP said:

His plan, as revealed in 'Breath of Darkness', was to end that current world, go to the next, and enact the plan to defeat the darkness!!!

Yeah, that's how I think it is, too. Something I've been thinking about is that even though the MoM says "it's all to defeat the darkness", that might just be the objective of the plan. In other words, defeating the darkness is essential for saving the world, but he may not personally have anything against the darkness.

18 hours ago, Double OKP said:

I don't think he's dead, as he's clearly seen in Quadratum(but who knows when that was/will be). (If Demyx=MoM, then that could prove me wrong)

I think I mentioned this before, but I don't see the KH3 secret ending as a 1-to-1 depiction of things that are actually happening in Quadtratum. It's more like an artistic interpretation, like how other secret endings don't end up being exactly what happens in the story. The MoM is there to show you that he's going to be there. He may or may not be there yet. I wouldn't take that it to mean anything concrete besides "MoM will be there." lol We saw Sora and Riku walking around on the streets, and things haven't happened that way so far. We saw Sora fight Yozora and get turned into crystal. There wasn't any point where he was wandering around the streets. See what I mean?

18 hours ago, Double OKP said:

Speaking of which, how in the world were the Dandelions transported into the data world in the first place? Was that ever explained anywhere?

I think that must have been what Luxu was referring to in his secret report when he talked about the Foretellers' power to send the Dandelions to another world line. Even if it's data, I guess it still counts. That's what I was wondering about, though. I don't think it's the same as the Power of Waking or anything... I wondered if it involved a machine like the one in the Twilight Town mansion, but that wouldn't make sense. It's supposed to be a power that only masters can use...

19 hours ago, Double OKP said:

(May I just say that when he tells Gula, "I told her, clear as day...", he looks so sarcastically sympathetic lol)

But...what's this mean??!!

I think he knew that telling her what the MoM had told him to do would emotionally damage her. ("She was silent. Jack had just thrown her into deep sadness. He who always raised her spirits, since that first day, eight years earlier..." Like that.) lbr, Luxu doesn't like her. lol I think he could tell that she was special to the MoM and that makes him jealous, so he wanted to make her self-destruct. ...So, did she? She ended up fighting in the keyblade war which was uncharacteristic for her. But it seems like everything after that is just a mystery for now. While I could still see her associating with Darkness, I know that she's also an adamant, resolute person. She may have finally decided for herself what she believed was the right thing to do.

14 hours ago, Double OKP said:

Another billboard has a girl who looks identical to Stella(is that even her confirmed name? I'm not sure but I'll just call her that anyway), except her hair is in a ponytail.

This reminds me of the Loveless poster in FF7R that looks like Yuna. What's weird is that there are actual story reasons for why it could literally be Yuna. I still feel like it's too extreme of a leap to say that all of these recent SE games are connected, but part of me is definitely wondering if we're experiencing the Square-Enix Extended Universe now. I know I'm not the only person who came away from FF7R thinking it could be related to KH, but I also don't want to accuse everything of being KH if it's not. lol

16 hours ago, Double OKP said:

There's also a lot of triangles for some reason.

That's really funny. lol Sadly, I figure SE isn't known as "Triangle-Enix" in the fictional world seeing as how the box of Verum Rex actually says "Square-Enix" on it. But the thought still gives me a giggle.

All the billboards remind me of the Easter eggs that were found in the signs around Insomnia. I don't know if the ones in Quadratum are going to have any connection, but it's still pretty fun to see them.

A while ago, Cynical (thegamersjoint) had pointed out a sign in Quadratum that had something to do with Gunslinger Stratos. I ended up watching the whole anime just to see if it was related. I don't think it's literally connected, but it does have some concepts that seem like they could be relevant like alternate realities and time travel. (The show is bad. The game it's based on is an arcade game that barely has any story in it. I DO NOT recommend watching it. lol)