Namine

[tjm0721 3]

I don't think there's a thread about this exactly, or at least I couldn't find anyone. Anyway, something made me think about Namine earlier, and I realized that I really can't find a way for Namine to exist. Kairi had her body, so we know Namine wasn't actually Kari's body, plus Kairi never became a heartless. Apparently she was born from Sora's body, but I don't get how both her and Roxas could have the same body, and plus she rejoined with Kairi, not Sora. I really can't think of a possible way for her to exist, so what do you guys think?

[Wolf on the Run 391]

namine was born the same time roxas was when sora used rikus keyblade to free kiari's heart for that short time while kiaris heart was in nobody namine was born

[Reversal 53]

I don't think there's a thread about this exactly, or at least I couldn't find anyone. Anyway, something made me think about Namine earlier, and I realized that I really can't find a way for Namine to exist. Kairi had her body, so we know Namine wasn't actually Kari's body, plus Kairi never became a heartless. Apparently she was born from Sora's body, but I don't get how both her and Roxas could have the same body, and plus she rejoined with Kairi, not Sora. I really can't think of a possible way for her to exist, so what do you guys think?

 

The requirements for creating a Nobody are for a strong hearted person to lose their heart and become a Heartless. While Namine technically isn't a Nobody in the more specific definition, she still fits the much broader definition, being that she is the byproduct of a person becoming a Heartless, the person in question being Sora. Kairi was able to create a "Nobody" because Sora fulfilled the requirements for her.

 

In the grand scheme of things, it's more like they're calling her a Nobody because they don't know what else to call her. Out of all the Nobodies, she's the one that shouldn't have existed the most.

[MasterXemnas 2,285]

Nobodies don't exist in the first place.

[Tails 6,690]

Well, she was born when Sora stabbed himself in order to free Kairi's heart. That resulted in Namine and Roxas being created at the exact same time. Roxas and Namine are both special nobodies because Roxas was born from Sora's body and is the nobody of the keyblade weilder. Namine was born from both Sora's body and Kairi's heart. Which is why Namine can only change memories of Sora connected to him. But due to her being made from Kairi's heart. She is mostly the nobody of Kairi.

[tjm0721 3]

What you're all saying is right, but why did Namine rejoin with Kairi and not Sora if she technically has Sora's body?

[Reversal 53]

What you're all saying is right, but why did Namine rejoin with Kairi and not Sora if she technically has Sora's body?

 

Because she doesn't have Sora's body. Roxas does.

[tjm0721 3]

 

What you're all saying is right, but why did Namine rejoin with Kairi and not Sora if she technically has Sora's body?

 

Because she doesn't have Sora's body. Roxas does.

 

Okay, that's what I thought, but it's also the part I'm the most confused about. If she doesn't have either Sora or Kairi's body, then did she just kinda spawn out of nowhere after Sora became a heartless?

[Reversal 53]

... yes...

 

Well, there are theories that say she took someone else's body and soul for herself due to the location of her birth -hint hint-, but yeah, that's what happened. And even though it's been 7 years since she was first introduced, we still have no explanation asides from "Namine came into existence when Kairi's heart left Sora's body."

[Tails 6,690]

 

 

What you're all saying is right, but why did Namine rejoin with Kairi and not Sora if she technically has Sora's body?

 

Because she doesn't have Sora's body. Roxas does.

 

Okay, that's what I thought, but it's also the part I'm the most confused about. If she doesn't have either Sora or Kairi's body, then did she just kinda spawn out of nowhere after Sora became a heartless?

 

Well, it's like this, she was made from both Sora and Kairi's body. She was born from Castle Oblicion where Marluxia and Larxene used her to alternate Sira's memories. She is connected to both Sora and Kairi. Which is why she is a special nobody.

[AwersomeOne 109]

i just see it as kairi lost her heart then sora set her heart free and in that instant a nobody(namine) was created (but ya i guess only nomura knows )

[clue42 3]

Namine=Vanitas

 

It would be interesting it their existences were similar to each other

[heartless101 83]

A nobody is created when a strong hearted person falls to darkness. Namine and Roxas were both created when Sora stabbed his heart with the Keyblade of People's hearts to save Kairi. He didn't necessairly fall to darkness, but Namine and Roxas were both created so they're special nobodies. And also yes, she did come out of no where, if I remember correctly, she was found in Castle Oblivion.

[tjm0721 3]

Namine=Vanitas

 

It would be interesting it their existences were similar to each other

 

Well Kairi has a heart of pure light, so maybe instead of darkness being extracted, some of her light was extracted when Sora stabbed himself and that became Namine. That would be pretty similar to how Vanitas was born.

 

At this point, I understand that Namine was born because Kairi's heart was with someone who became a heartless and nobody, so a nobody was born for Kairi's heart too. I'm just confused to where the heck her body came from. It's not Sora's, it's not Kairi's, and in response to Reversal, I don't really think it would make sense if she had Ven's, so where did her body come from? I know there's not really an answer, I'm just curious to see what theories some of you have.

[Reversal 53]

I know it doesn't really make sense. It's just one of the random theories I've seen over time regarding this subject

 

Though I particularly like one theory a KHInsider member named Grass had. It's been a while since I've read it, but it was something like, Namine was born from the magic spell Aqua placed into Kairi's necklace. It actually made a ton of sense ^^

[soulreaper52 9]

oh yeah i remebr that theroy reversal i asked if you could find it and here is the link for the theory http://forums.khinsider.com/spoilers/149593-roxas-namine-revisted.html

[tjm0721 3]

I know it doesn't really make sense. It's just one of the random theories I've seen over time regarding this subject

 

Though I particularly like one theory a KHInsider member named Grass had. It's been a while since I've read it, but it was something like, Namine was born from the magic spell Aqua placed into Kairi's necklace. It actually made a ton of sense ^^

 

Wow, that actually does make a lot of sense. It's the best theory I've heard so far, better than just "she showed up when Sora stabbed himself." And it also kinda goes with how I said she could be like Vanitas, just part of Kairi's light, not all her darkness (since she doesn't have any), and that light would be the spell. Yay, I've finally made sense of this

 

And thanks for finding the theory, soulreaper52.

[keystrike 145]

If I recall, Namine came into existence through Sora's body and soul. Because Namine isn't truly Kairi's body, I am going to leave that out of the equation. The Biproducts of Sora stabbing himself were a heartless (which we all know is necessary for a nobody), Roxas, and Namine. Diz states that there was no corresponding heartless for Namine assuming it was Kairi's nobody because Kairi held a heart of pure light, which is yet another reason for an abnormality. Wheather or not Sora's heartless was necessary for Namine is debatable. The process of Roxas and Namine's birth's are a heart leaving Sora's Body, Kairi's heart leaving through Sora's body and soul created Namine and Ven's heart leaving Sora's body and soul created Roxas. Because of this Roxas is just as much of Ven's nobody as Namine is kairi's nobody, and that's the point Roxas is not Ven's nobody.

 

Getting to the main question as to where Kairi's body came from: If it was merely the heart leaving the body that varied in creating these two "nobodies" then Roxas and Namine must both have some of Sora's body. The reason they took on this appearance was the heart creating the nobody. Because Roxas had Ven's heart he took on that identical look and Namine who didn't have Kairi's heart along with the fact that Kairi.

 

concerning why Namine returned to Kairi: It would be paradoxical if the nobody returned to Sora, whose body and soul they originated from because that would mean namine would return to sora, but it would also be paradoxical if the nobody returned to the heart they originated from because that would mean that Roxas, who contains Sora's body returns to Ven (The body in CO). The only solution I can think of is that the nobody returns to the heart it is fammiliar with and through Sora's connection with Ven Roxas returned to sora. Kairi who contained some of Sora's body

 

The condition of kairi's body can tell us a lot. Like a nobody she had a body, a soul, but her memories stayed with the heart that migrated to sora.

 

I think that's right. Any constructive criticism would be appreciated.

[Reversal 53]

oh yeah i remebr that theroy reversal i asked if you could find it and here is the link for the theory http://forums.khinsider.com/spoilers/149593-roxas-namine-revisted.html

 

Yeah, that's the one. Grass makes amazing theories 8D

[Sir Adamus 1]

 

oh yeah i remebr that theroy reversal i asked if you could find it and here is the link for the theory http://forums.khinsider.com/spoilers/149593-roxas-namine-revisted.html

 

Yeah, that's the one. Grass makes amazing theories 8D

 

I agree. I can't believe how much that theory actually explained. Of course, this means that Sora is just a great big 'up yours' to the natural order of things, but wahey!

[tjm0721 3]

 

oh yeah i remebr that theroy reversal i asked if you could find it and here is the link for the theory http://forums.khinsider.com/spoilers/149593-roxas-namine-revisted.html

 

Yeah, that's the one. Grass makes amazing theories 8D

 

I agree. I've been reading some of his theories and they've all got really good points

[keystrike 145]

Oh boy, a theory against a doctrine of Grass, here it goes. Straight out and simple: Namine was made out of nothing, when Kairi lost her heart in destiny islands a nobody wasn't created because there was no heartless.

 

As reasonable as this sounds, and as accepted as it has become, this is flawed. Most people cite the Secret Ansem Reports to back this idea up. But if you reread them carefully, you

[keystrike 145]

Oh boy, a theory against a doctrine of Grass, here it goes. Straight out and simple: Namine was made out of nothing, when Kairi lost her heart in destiny islands a nobody wasn't created because there was no heartless and hence the body remained in the realm of light.

 

As reasonable as this sounds, and as accepted as it has become, this is flawed. Most people cite the Secret Ansem Reports to back this idea up. But if you reread them carefully, you

[HeartofFire 10]

*staggers from the amount of pages* I have a quick question: Does this make Namine Sora or Kairi's Nobody? Cuz if she's Sora's, that would make her and Roxas siblings, right?

[Reversal 53]

*staggers from the amount of pages* I have a quick question: Does this make Namine Sora or Kairi's Nobody? Cuz if she's Sora's, that would make her and Roxas siblings, right?

 

More so Kairi's than Sora's, but anyways yeah. I remember talking to clue42 a while ago about the sibling thing lol. So basically it's like, Roxas is Sora's real child and Namine is his half sister. Something like that ;D