*Spoilers* Kingdom Hearts III Re Mind Spoilers Chat

[Otti#8624 26]

That would have actually been great

Because then the Nobodies would still be their own "person"

[JPansullo7 16]

15 hours ago, Aqua_Wren said:

@King Arthur13 @Vexoria @DANNY.R.G.8 In the games files, the losing ending is called the bad ending, but the winning version is called the True Ending, not the good ending.

Also winning gets the new tag line and all that, it's far, far more likely that winning is canon.

I think that both endings are canon but the true ending is what actually happened and the bad ending may have been what Riku or Kairi saw in their dreams.  Either way, i think him being crystalized will still be relevant somehow

[Otti#8624 26]

Because seriously, if Roxas and Sora are different people then so are Axel and Lea

The only difference between them is that Roxas didn't have any memories

[King Arthur13 51]

yeah its how it originally worked i thought

[Otti#8624 26]

So he started fresh and learned to become his own

If he had Sora's memories then he would just be Sora in Vens body

Without feelings that is

Because that was a huge plot point

[King Arthur13 51]

yeah pretty much

he was different because of the circumstances that created him

[Otti#8624 26]

yupp

Namine is a whole other can tho

[King Arthur13 51]

axel and lea should have actually been different

[Otti#8624 26]

She was created in a very special situation

It's not just Axel and Lea tho, goes for all the members of the organization

[King Arthur13 51]

exactly

heres what I thought was going to happen back when I beat KH bbs

axel would come back, but with no memories of the org and he would relearn about his life as an org member and eventually remember roxas and later xion

[Otti#8624 26]

That could have worked

[King Arthur13 51]

its honestly what i thought ddd was doing until the whole "somebodies" thing happened

it really does defeat the purpose of nobodies to have the og org members just come back to life after they "die" as org members

[JPansullo7 16]

But Axel is 100% Lea in body and mind

Sora retained his soul/mind when he became a heartless so that never transerred over to Roxas.  Roxas' mind was a clean slate

[King Arthur13 51]

but thats the thing, nobodies are not people tho

they are still different

[King Arthur13 51]

so they should always be two seperate beings

I dont think they said they were people, just that they grew hearts

which albeit makes them people in all but name alone

however it means they get to keep all those cool nobody powers

[-Kye- 10]

DDD says otherwise

[Otti#8624 26]

That's another thing

Them growing hearts means that they become their own person

[King Arthur13 51]

but then dying and coming back means they are still their own person

[JPansullo7 16]

If that were the case why would they still have their old memories and appearance?  They are the same as their original selves, minus a heart

[King Arthur13 51]

thats what a nobody is, its a mind and a body

but look at what regular nobodies look like

dusks, creepers, assasins

they look different because they are different

[Vexoria 9]

Well yes and no

[King Arthur13 51]

organization members are still nobodies that managed to keep a closer resemblence to what they originally looked like

[Vexoria 9]

The organization was built of Nobodies with stronger minds and retained their form

[Otti#8624 26]

No, I think that was a lie

Or a truth they didn't know

[King Arthur13 51]

the ones that had exceptionally strong hearts can keep their bodies