KH General Chat

[Snakeskin94 13]

Because Kingdom Hearts Writing Rule #5:

Roxas must always suffer

[Jake_1550765278 0]

Thats why we stan Roxas tho

[Snakeskin94 13]

More than anyone all the time ever

[Sam N 10]

I assume Chirithy's are just Spirits i.e. the good Dream Eaters

[Snakeskin94 13]

I thought "good" dream eaters were just called Spirits in general though?

[Sam N 10]

They are. That's what I'm saying Chirithy is.

[Snakeskin94 13]

Right right- but he was asking what comes first, the child soldier or the dream eater- the only ones that come first are the Chirithy's

Pretty sure

[Jake_1550765278 0]

So after the Keyblade War, the Player becomes a Spirit DE? This right?

Or just any type of DE?

And I mean becomes in the same way someone becomes a Heartless/Nobody - like they physically change in some way (die, killed, possessed, whatever)

[Sam N 10]

I'm not sure. Isn't this rule broken by Riku, who had an emblem and yet was still a Spirit?

[Jake_1550765278 0]

Or are the Players just like out sleeping somewhere like Ventus was and Dream Eater projections of themselves are just running around?

Oh true

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After the catastrophic event that separated the worlds, all the Keyblade wielders that weren't sent off on an ark were given the choice to go to sleep. Those who chose to had their hearts eaten by their Chirithys, in order to protect them while they slept, which transformed them into Dream Eaters.

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Their own Chirithys ate them

woah

[Sam N 10]

That's actually kind of silly to imagine

[Jake_1550765278 0]

According to wiki, Chrithys can be Spirits or Nightmares

[Sam N 10]

Odd that we haven't actually seen a Nightmare Chirithy then

[Jake_1550765278 0]

https://villains.fandom.com/wiki/Nightmare_Chirithy

[Sam N 10]

Sigh

It WOULD have to be a mobile game that complicates things...

[Jake_1550765278 0]

lol

Seems like the Chirithys act as kinda the "angel/demon on the shoulder" type thing where everybody has 1 of each

Cause the Nightmare Chirithy, according to wiki, is* also *your Chirithy

[Sam N 10]

Okay, that at least sounds consistent with other lore. Similar to how everyone has a Heartless and a Nobody.

[Jake_1550765278 0]

Well you only get Heartless/Nobody if (a) your heart is consumed by Darkness and (b) if (a) is true + you have a strong will;

Supposedly someone could die of natural causes and not turn into either

[Sam N 10]

But this is rare, from what we've seen so far

[Jake_1550765278 0]

From what we've seen, yea. Just because the series is so heavily concentrated on those involved with the Heartless-Nobody life cycle. Sora, the main protagonist, is an abnormality in almost every way with the given lore lol

I think some people who would die of natural causes, say they had an ilness or something, could be consumed by darkness and then possibly form a Nobody

But I don't think everyone whose ever lived necessarrily has a Heartless

But anyways, since the Chirithys don't contribute to the personhood of a being, I'm not too worried about them. It seems like the individual themself influence their Chirithy rather than the other way around

[Sam N 10]

I think it's likely. Yen Sid confirmed that most people's hearts have at least a little darkness in them. And a Heartless can be formed from any amount of darkness, no matter how small. Even Sora briefly turned into a Shadow.

And darkness is nothing more than negativity. It's rare for a person to feel no negativity at all. Incredibly rare.

[Jake_1550765278 0]

True but normally Darkness in and of itself doesnt consume the person unless the individual is enthralled with it. If a decently good person, say like Sora, died of an ilness, I don't think they'd spawn a Heartless. Sora seemingly only spawned one because of the Keyblade of Heart. Then there's the other instance. seemingly being overtaken by another Heartless, like the guy from Traverse Town

Not sure if its just negativity? That sounds more like Unversed

[Sam N 10]

Well, it's for sure based on emotion. Light and Darkness are more than just good and evil after all.

[Jake_1550765278 0]

Darkness seems to be a literal force of nature, like "the darkside of the force"

[Sam N 10]

There's a line from Pete that has me particularly convinced:

"Anger and jealously turned your king into a Heartless!"