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[Amaterasu_1549906707 19]

you can not be an artist, and while you can break down why their art may not be up to snuff, anatomy, etc..

it doesn't mean you likely know how to improve, just criticize what you noticed seems off

[Estoria#4001 19]

Yeah

I think it's much easier to show how something doesn't work than to show how something works

Because something that doesn't work sticks out while something that works is just there, working

[Amaterasu_1549906707 19]

but the thing is... even if you're only specifically just stating why something doens't work.. that's still intenting to build something up

Because even without you offering someway to immprove..

you laid out why it doesn't work

And that's still impportant

[Estoria#4001 19]

yeah, it shows why something doesn't work, so you can learn not to repeat those mistakes

That was the contention I had, now we're clear and have found out that we agree

Isn't actual polite discussion great

[Amaterasu_1549906707 19]

It is yes ?

And another thing is that.. if you have to criticize something, you should probably aim it well enough, like you would a surgical tool(not saying it's always precise tho, sometimes it's very general) @Estoria#4001

[Estoria#4001 19]

Yeah, that's something I've learned is very beautiful

*important

I don't know why I said beautiful lmao

[Amaterasu_1549906707 19]

lol

And basically not fire from the hip blindly with a machine gun and see what sticks, basiclly

[Estoria#4001 19]

Yeah, that style of criticism is usually very naff

[Amaterasu_1549906707 19]

like, sure.. you probably do want to look at every little thing possibly but.. Being exhaustive and deailed might not be worth it, because it runs the risk of not being taken seriously

not that detail is bad

[Estoria#4001 19]

lmao

You know, that actually hits close to home

One of my favorite YouTubers is someone who makes extremely long videos

[Amaterasu_1549906707 19]

Oh god.. there's.. so many youtubes like that..

[Estoria#4001 19]

Yes, some are good, some not so much

But if you can make the length worthwhile then it's fine

[Amaterasu_1549906707 19]

there's only a few times i've found a good, long-lengthy video

[Estoria#4001 19]

Hell, I'd rather have a long video that teaches me something good than a short one that tells me nothing

Like local clown Mark Brown

Matthewmattosis is a good one, you should check him out

[Amaterasu_1549906707 19]

You need to DM a link or something then ?

[Estoria#4001 19]

Well, ok

[Estoria#4001 19]

Sorry lmao

[Amaterasu_1549906707 19]

wait i tihnk i already watch them..

oh yeah, i do, imm subbed

[Estoria#4001 19]

That's poggers

His videos are so well made

And his voice is soothing imo

[Amaterasu_1549906707 19]

And, also, I wanted to say, since for months, I probably gave off the opposite idea.. high expectations are not a bad thing, ever. It's when you let it become, say, nitpicking(sepeate from criticism) that it's a problem.. If you become detail-obsessed, it places an unrealstic demand, i think, and slows progress and real discussions and only serves to overwhelm or leave people defeated

it's like.. imagine a boss who nitpicks their employees

you're gonna leave your employees going "i can't do anything right" and it destroys moral, making employees give up on meeting expectations

Because you're only focusing on the detail of something.. instead of the efforts made or the qualities of working towards it

[Estoria#4001 19]

Yeah, nitpicking a lot of times is just annoying

It's annoying when people miss the forest for the trees

[Amaterasu_1549906707 19]

they do, yea... And, most of those who nitpick(not all, because sometimes you can also be heathly about nitpicking, you just have to know how to acknowledge the efforts too), tend to come across as.. arrogrant, I feel. Questioning everything, editing any and all ideas, correcting all work, and becoming so fixated on detail that they "miss the forest for the trees" like you say..

And usually done out of a need to feel some kind of control

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[Amaterasu_1549906707 19]

But, to add to that.. there's a time and place for pointing out the mistakes of something and correcting problems.. versus just doing it for the heck of it and counting it as being heard, because you just miss out on a chance to motivate people on how to keep doing what someone is doing well @Estoria#4001