So about Scala Ad Caelum...

[Chasm 108]

A friend of mine sent this to me and I haven't seen anyone talking about it. What could this mean? Is the Keyblade Graveyard the ruins of the Scala Ad Caelum? If so is more Time Travel involved? Did Kingdom Hearts bring this world back? What do you guys think?

Edited December 20, 2018 by Chasm
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[Tyranto Rex 277]

It's probably not a coincidence. Most likely some time travel shenanigans . Or Nomura just likes the design. Who knows?

But yeah I'm guessing that Keyblade Graveyard used to be SAC.

[PrinceNoctis 1,011]

I guess you meant "Is the Keyblade Graveyard the ruins of Scala Ad Caelum". And that's definitely an interesting observation your friend made. I think it's probably that. As for Time Travel being involved, I think Master Xehanort hinted that time travel HAD to be involved for him and his incarnations to be in the same place in KHDDD so that would make total sense.

Edited December 20, 2018 by PrinceNoctis

[Dustin Lübbers 933]

Has anyone noticed that the 13 guys at the end of the trailer look nothing like the regular organisation members? it dosent have to be time travel what if that last scene is xehanorts first attempt in the past to force the X blade

[Allwil13 754]

Nice catch there! Could be that the world where Lea is located is like the ruins of Scala ad Caelum and then Xehanort returns it to its former glory. 

[Chasm 108]

2 minutes ago, Dustin Lübbers said:

Has anyone noticed that the 13 guys at the end of the trailer look nothing like the regular organisation members? it dosent have to be time travel what if that last scene is xehanorts first attempt in the past to force the X blade

Whoa that's deep.

[PrinceNoctis 1,011]

12 minutes ago, Dustin Lübbers said:

Has anyone noticed that the 13 guys at the end of the trailer look nothing like the regular organisation members? it dosent have to be time travel what if that last scene is xehanorts first attempt in the past to force the X blade

Well if it's Xehanort's first attempt in the past to force the X blade...wouldn't he have to time travel to go back to when he first attempted to forge the X-blade?

[Dustin Lübbers 933]

1 minute ago, PrinceNoctis said:

Well if it's Xehanort's first attempt in the past to force the X blade...wouldn't he have to time travel to go back to when he first attempted to forge the X-blade?

true, well it was just a spontaneous Idea I had any way. But if it really would be like that there is always a way for the master of weird story telling nomura to make it somehow, maybe time travel costs a lot of energy and he only was able to do it once  

[Richypiants02 31]

So... If the Keyblade Graveyard is connected to Daybreak Town, is Scala ad Caelum too? May those two cities be the same place, but during different times?

[PrinceNoctis 1,011]

8 hours ago, Richypiants02 said:

So... If the Keyblade Graveyard is connected to Daybreak Town, is Scala ad Caelum too? May those two cities be the same place, but during different times?

I was wondering about how Daybreak Town played into all of this as well...But it seems like Scala Ad Caelum is a post Keyblade War world (that is where YMX and Eraqus are seen playing chess right?), so maybe Xehanort just summoned Scala Ad Caelum in the Keyblade Graveyard? And how does the Land of Departure play into all of this. I am confusion.

[LostArtis 130]

idk, it could be but I'm not fully convinced. similar markings could be found in beast's castle. 

[ITzDarthLordRevan 291]

I think it's a possibility it could be that Scala ad Caelum was where both Eraqus and Xehanort trained when they were young, especially if it's supposed to be Cable Town, just with a different name. If this is true, then Scala Ad Caelum would have survived past the Keyblade War since Eraqus and Xehanort weren't alive back then. The place could probably have something to do with Luxu if he was either the master of Eraqus and YX or if Luxu is the master of their master. We all know Luxu was tasked with passing the No name Keyblade down to his apprentice and survived past the Keyblade War as well. The "seat of power for all Keyblade wielders" line made me think that Keyblade masters during Eraqus and Xehanort's time would have ruled over the land especially if Luxu founded the place since the Master of Masters and the Foretellers pretty much ruled over Daybreak Town.

Edited December 21, 2018 by ITzDarthLordRevan

[ienzo628 548]

10 hours ago, Richypiants02 said:

So... If the Keyblade Graveyard is connected to Daybreak Town, is Scala ad Caelum too? May those two cities be the same place, but during different times?

I do think that Kairi's grandma's fairy tale might answer our question about Daybreak Town, the Keyblade Graveyard, and probably many other worlds.  She did say that the worlds used to be one but the darkness pretty much separated them. 

 

9 minutes ago, ITzDarthLordRevan said:

I think it's a possibility it could be that Scala ad Caelum was where both Eraqus and Xehanort trained when they were young, especially if it's supposed to be Cable Town, just with a different name. If this is true, then Scala Ad Caelum would have survived past the Keyblade War since Eraqus and Xehanort weren't alive back then. The place could probably have something to do with Luxu if he was either the master of Eraqus and YX or if Luxu is the master of their master. We all know Luxu was tasked with passing the No name Keyblade down to his apprentice and survived past the Keyblade Wars as well. 

Yeah, that's true.  But I guess the question would have to be who was Luxu's apprentice if it wasn't YX or Eraqus.  How long did he survive after the Keyblade War?

 

52 minutes ago, LostArtis said:

idk, it could be but I'm not fully convinced. similar markings could be found in beast's castle. 

It could relate back to what Kairi's grandma said about the worlds once being connected.  That maybe a farfetched theory though.

[LostArtis 130]

1 minute ago, ienzo628 said:

It could relate back to what Kairi's grandma said about the worlds once being connected.  That maybe a farfetched theory though.

I still think they're just fancy castle-esque markings. But lol true, that's a good point

[ienzo628 548]

2 minutes ago, LostArtis said:

I still think they're just fancy castle-esque markings. But lol true, that's a good point

Something else of importance (maybe) is that Aqua was able to transform Land of Departure into Castle Oblivion.  Since Xehanort is a keyblade master and was a comrade of Eraqus, perhaps he has the same talent that Aqua has but with the Keyblade Graveyard.

 

12 hours ago, Dustin Lübbers said:

Has anyone noticed that the 13 guys at the end of the trailer look nothing like the regular organisation members? it dosent have to be time travel what if that last scene is xehanorts first attempt in the past to force the X blade

I wonder if Xehanort somehow changed his vessels to those ones we saw at the end of the recent trailer.  Exactly, what does it mean to become more Xehanort?  How does all the physical differences like height and body type all shift to look alike?  Is that because of Xehanort or the world's?  Does Scala Ad Caelum give them all that armored and cloaked appearance?

[EchoFox23* 318]

I can see Xehanort through magic time traveling remaking Scala Ad Caelum from the Keyblade Graveyard... or something on the lines of what Aqua did with Castle Oblivion... 

[ITzDarthLordRevan 291]

23 minutes ago, ienzo628 said:

Yeah, that's true.  But I guess the question would have to be who was Luxu's apprentice if it wasn't YX or Eraqus.  How long did he survive after the Keyblade War?

Hard to say at this point. I can only guess form the fact that Luxu sounded young, maybe he was in his twenties or late teens. It also depends on how much time passed between the Keyblade War and when Eraqus and Xehanort were in their teens. If his apprentice wasn't them,  it could be someone completely new that he chose.

Edited December 21, 2018 by ITzDarthLordRevan

[ienzo628 548]

2 minutes ago, ITzDarthLordRevan said:

Hard to say at this point. I can only guess form the fact that Luxu sounded young, maybe he was in his twenties or late teens. It also depends on how much time passed between the Keyblade War and when Eraqus and Xehanort were in their teens. 

True. I have heard people theorize that Master Ava was Kairi's grandma.   If true, it would narrow down the time gap. 

[ITzDarthLordRevan 291]

33 minutes ago, ienzo628 said:

True. I have heard people theorize that Master Ava was Kairi's grandma.   If true, it would narrow down the time gap. 

I'm honestly not sure how to feel about this theory. On one hand, it could explain why she knows about the Keyblade War and why Ava reminds everyone of Kairi but at the same time there's the possibility she could be around Xehanort's age. She would probably have to at least be somewhat older than Xehanort. Joke or not, I'm pretty sure it was said that Xehanort was at least in his eighties. It also depends on how old people can get before they die in this universe. For all we know, Kairi's grandma could either be in her eighties or she could be like in her hundreds. She could know about the Keyblade War because the story was passed down to her like it was with Eraqus and Xehanort from their master. It was called the "Age of Fairytales" after all. Whether or not It's true, we'll have to see. I'd rather take a neutral stance on the whole thing since Kingdom Hearts's story can be very unpredictable and It's not always easy to guess what's going to happen.

[ienzo628 548]

21 minutes ago, ITzDarthLordRevan said:

I'm honestly not sure how to feel about this theory. On one hand, it could explain why she knows about the Keyblade War and why Ava reminds everyone of Kairi but at the same time there's the possibility she could be around Xehanort's age. She would probably have to at least be somewhat older than Xehanort. Joke or not, I'm pretty sure it was said that Xehanort was at least in his eighties. It also depends on how old people can get before they die in this universe. For all we know, Kairi's grandma could either be in her eighties or she could be like in her hundreds. She could know about the Keyblade War because the story was passed down to her like it was with Eraqus and Xehanort from their master. It was called the "Age of Fairytales" after all. Whether or not It's true, we'll have to see. I'd rather take a neutral stance on the whole thing since Kingdom Hearts's story can be very unpredictable and It's not always easy to guess what's going to happen.

True and we don't even know how long ago the Keyblade War took place from the events of KH3.

[Dustin Lübbers 933]

5 hours ago, EchoFox23* said:

I can see Xehanort through magic time traveling remaking Scala Ad Caelum from the Keyblade Graveyard... or something on the lines of what Aqua did with Castle Oblivion... 

I allready feel a shiver in my spine thinking about this huhr city as completly empty that would indeed be a heavy contrast to how the other worlds are, full of life and joy

[Potato head harvey 70]

Oh snap, good spot dude. Kingdom hearts returns the keyblade graveyard to it's previous self?

[2 quid is good 2,209]

Just putting this out there:

 

This place definitely looks familiar to the aesthetic of the top picture, and I don't really want to think of the implications. 

But seeing as Isa was telling (presumably Xion) that she had to go recruit someone, and added to the fact that they're killing Lea, signs point to Roxas being the recruitee.

However having said all that:

Spoiler

Xehanort summoned kingdom hearts in the newest trailer, and by harnessing its power he might have restored the keyblade graveyard to scala ad caelum

 

[ienzo628 548]

20 minutes ago, 2 quid is good said:

Just putting this out there:

 

This place definitely looks familiar to the aesthetic of the top picture, and I don't really want to think of the implications. 

But seeing as Isa was telling (presumably Xion) that she had to go recruit someone, and added to the fact that they're killing Lea, signs point to Roxas being the recruitee.

However having said all that:

  spoiler for newest trailer (Hide contents)

Xehanort summoned kingdom hearts in the newest trailer, and by harnessing its power he might have restored the keyblade graveyard to scala ad caelum

 

I doubt the figure was Xion.  I think it might be Ansem the Wise or possibly Even, those two are scientists though.  I also hope they don't have Roxas on board.  I made a thread about that.

[clatter411 75]

If the Keyblade Graveyard is related to Scala ad Caelum I really hope time travel is not involved. Time travel has created a lot of problems in this series since DDD. I hope instead it's just a restoration via Kingdom Hearts.