Dagesh Lene 366 Posted September 8, 2018 (edited) One theory that has been made is that the Master of Masters did what Xehanort has been doing to others and turned Xehanort into a vessel for himself, which would mean that Xehanort is the Master of Masters. I never believed this theory, but I still prepared myself for it to be true because I still thought that it was at least a possibility. However, I recently realized two things that have convinced me that Xehanort couldn't be the Master of Masters. We know that when one person takes over another person's heart, the person whose heart was taken over starts to look more like the person who took over their heart. For example, when Xehanort takes over someone's heart, their eyes turn yellow, their hair turns silver, and their ears become pointy. So, if the Master of Masters took over Xehanort's heart, it would be safe to assume Xehanort did not originally have yellow eyes, silver hair, and pointy ears, but that all of those features are actually features belonging to the Master of Masters. Since we don't know what the Master of Masters looks like, this could be true. However, there is one problem. We found out in Back Cover that the "Gazing Eye" in Master Xehanort's Keyblade, "No Name", is actually the Master of Masters' eye. The eye is blue with a cat-like iris, and if the Master of Masters was telling the truth that it is indeed his eye, then his other eye most likely looks the same. But if that is what his eyes look like, then he couldn't have taken over Xehanort's heart. If he did, wouldn't Xehanort's eyes at least turn blue? Even if the Master of Masters had one blue eye and one yellow eye, wouldn't one of Xehanort's eyes turn yellow and the other eye turn blue? In addition to this, why would the Master of Masters call himself "Xehanort" if that isn't his real name? Well, we don't know for sure what the Master of Masters' real name is, but we are all assuming it is some variation of "superbia". Since all six of his apprentices are named after six of the seven deadly sins, it would be shocking if he wasn't named after the seventh deadly sin. We even see "χ Super" on the black box. Not only does he call himself "Xehanort", but his vessels call themselves "Xehanort" as well. When he took over Terra, he called himself Xehanort. Braig announced that he and the other vessels are turning into Xehanorts. Why would the Master of Masters keep the name Xehanort and not his real name unless he can't use his real name for some reason? These two reasons are why I don't believe that the Master of Masters turned Xehanort into his vessel. However, I'll probably still prepare myself for it to be true. You never know what Nomura has planned. What do you guys think? Edited September 8, 2018 by Dagesh Lene 5 EchoFox23*, KingdomHearts3, The Transcendent Key and 2 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Peri16 15 Posted September 8, 2018 I don't really believe that theory either but like you are prepared for whatever Nomura has in store for us. I will say though there is a way to work around the whole eye thing... I think, my thinking is maybe when he says the gazing eye is his eye he doesn't really mean it was one of his actual eyes but maybe it's something he made I mean we see him make Chirithy and it definitely doesn't look like a actual eye like all the other characters and there's also the question of how it has the powers that it has. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dagesh Lene 366 Posted September 8, 2018 I don't really believe that theory either but like you are prepared for whatever Nomura has in store for us. I will say though there is a way to work around the whole eye thing... I think, my thinking is maybe when he says the gazing eye is his eye he doesn't really mean it was one of his actual eyes but maybe it's something he made I mean we see him make Chirithy and it definitely doesn't look like a actual eye like all the other characters and there's also the question of how it has the powers that it has. You do have a point. However, if it was just an eye that he made, I feel like that would have been made more clear. What would be the point in making us think it was one of his real eyes? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Azure Flame 670 Posted September 8, 2018 Of course it's not his real eye, since every Forteller Keyblade has one, as well as Soul Eater, Way to Dawn, Void Gear, and a few other Keyblades. Unless he has like a hundred eyes, which I highly doubt. But there's an even bigger reason why Xehanort is not the MoM. Nomura stated that the MoM will not be in KH3. If Xehanort ended up being revealed as the MoM, then the MoM would be in KH3 because of that reveal. But since he is not in KH3, none of the characters in KH3 can be the MoM. This simple fact is the reason why I've always hated the theory that Xehanort was really the MoM and he created the Keyblade War. It was just something he foresaw, and became a bootstrap paradox. For those of you who don't know what a bootstrap paradox is, it's basically a time loop where the past and the future influence eachother to keep going round. He saw the Keyblade War happen in the future because he created these eyes and then wrote what he saw in the Book of Prophecies, which then lead to the Keyblade War happening, so he could foresee it and write it in the book, which then lead to it happening, etc. Another good example of a bootstrap paradox would be the story of the original Final Fantasy, where Chaos sends the four fiends to the future to corrupt the land and send the dying Garland to the past, where he in turn becomes Chaos and sends the four fiends to the future to corrupt the land and send the dying Garland to the past, etc. The only way it's stopped is by the four Warriors of Light destroying the four fiends in the future, which then allow them to go to the Chaos Shrine and go back to the past, where they kill the four fiends again and confront Chaos and destroy him, ending the loop and resetting history to where none of that happens and nobody knows who they are. 2 Peri16 and The Transcendent Key reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dagesh Lene 366 Posted September 8, 2018 (edited) Of course it's not his real eye, since every Forteller Keyblade has one, as well as Soul Eater, Way to Dawn, Void Gear, and a few other Keyblades. Unless he has like a hundred eyes, which I highly doubt. You may have a point. However, if all of those eyes function the same as the eye in Master Xehanort's Keyblade, why is the eye in Master Xehanort's Keyblade the only one that can see the future? Chirithy said in Back Cover, "The Master of Masters had an eye that gazes into the future." So, that seems to confirm that there is only one eye that can gaze into the future. Then, when the Master of Masters told Luxu that his eye is in Master Xehanort's Keyblade, Luxu reacted by shouting, "Ew!" To which the Master of Masters responded, "Oh, you think that's "gross," do ya?" This seems to imply that it is indeed his real eye that is in Master Xehanort's Keyblade. That being said, you do bring up a good point. If the eye in Master Xehanort's Keyblade is one of the Master of Masters' real eyes, how come the eye appears in other Keyblades? What I think is that the Master of Masters' eye became a symbol, which then began to appear in other Keyblades. In fact, it seems to have already become a symbol at the time of the Foretellers, which is why it appears in the Keychains of each of their Keyblades. The symbol may have even gotten a name since Luxu called it "the Gazing Eye". Edited September 8, 2018 by Dagesh Lene Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Azure Flame 670 Posted September 8, 2018 I don't think MX's Keyblade is the only one that could see the future, I think the Forteller's Keyblades could too, as could any Keyblade that had the 'Gazing Eye'. I think it's an advanced form of magic only the MoM knew how to use. In fact, I think the box that he left with Luxu, the same box everyone seems to be searching for, contains something that will become important either in, or leading up to, the final battle of KH3 and the whole reason he gave Luxu the box was because he saw the final battle and the events leading up to it, from the moment he handed out the Keyblades, to the final end and he wanted to ensure that things played out as he had forseen. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dagesh Lene 366 Posted September 8, 2018 (edited) I don't think MX's Keyblade is the only one that could see the future, I think the Forteller's Keyblades could too, as could any Keyblade that had the 'Gazing Eye'. I think it's an advanced form of magic only the MoM knew how to use. In fact, I think the box that he left with Luxu, the same box everyone seems to be searching for, contains something that will become important either in, or leading up to, the final battle of KH3 and the whole reason he gave Luxu the box was because he saw the final battle and the events leading up to it, from the moment he handed out the Keyblades, to the final end and he wanted to ensure that things played out as he had forseen. I agree that the box is important and will most likely play a big role in the climax of Kingdom Hearts III or in the events leading up to it. However, we have been given no reason to believe that any Keyblade other than Master Xehanort's Keyblade can see the future. In fact, what has been revealed to us so far through those lines of dialogue that I mentioned in my previous comment seems to suggest that Master Xehanort's Keyblade is the only one that can see the future. I could be wrong, but as of right now, I see no reason to think otherwise. Why would Nomura make us think that only one Keyblade can see the future and that the eye in that Keyblade is the Master of Masters' real eye if neither is true? Is the origin of the "Gazing Eye" that important not only to keep the origin a secret but also to trick us into thinking something about it that isn't true? Again, I could be wrong, but that's how I see things right now. Edited September 8, 2018 by Dagesh Lene Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Finn and vigor 287 Posted September 8, 2018 Agreed. I seriously doubt Xehanort is the Master of Masters, nor are they related in any way. I think the MoM is an entirely new character that will Have a much bigger role in future KH titles. 1 The Transcendent Key reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Transcendent Key 12,109 Posted September 9, 2018 Yeah, I'm definitely on the Xehanort is Xehanort campe here. It wouldn't make sense to have Xehanort be the Master Of Masters, as it'd really take away from the uniqueness that both characters have, ya know? Xehanort is already an amazing villain in his own right, so let's just leave him as is, ya know? I'd much prefer the Master Of Masters to be the next big bad of the series after the Xehanort Saga ends than have him be another Xehanort, ya know? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites