Where does a World end?

[vpha1313 1]

This is going to be a lengthy post with several points but here it goes:

 

1.Where exactly does a world end?  In the series, worlds are depicted as miniature "planets" but I always wondered about boundaries.  I mean let's say you were in Radiant Garden-a Castle and Town walled up on an island in what appears to be a lake country with green mountains all around and you journeyed out away from the inhabited area and kept going.  Where would you end up or what would you find- an endless expanse of that particular's world natural geography or maybe you would naturally end up in the Lanes Between, or maybe an actual planet situation where you would just end up back to the inhabited area again?

 

2.What is the correlation between the separate worlds and the real version of Earth?  For example, Land of Dragons characters mention their world being "China" and in the Tarzan Deep Jungle, there is a map depicting the entire African continent in the Tent- both real life locations?

 

3. Deep Space always puzzled me, is it a ship that is capable of traveling the Lanes Between, or is the Stitch galaxy/planets considered one massive World on its own since if you view out the windows and the ship hull, you can see a Purple planet looming above?

 

 

[Kokoado 45]

Just ... just don't think about it man.

[Dracozombie 4,554]

I've wondered about that too, but as it's been mentioned, it's probably not something you're meant to think about too hard. Most elements in Kingdom Hearts are like that. If I had to take a crack at it with my own personal headcanons:

 

1: If the worlds are depicted like miniature planets, you'd probably just circle back the way you came. You can't get to places like the Lanes Between without some way to bypass the world's barriers.

 

2: The correlation probably depends on how much continuity you want to believe the Disney franchise has with each other. China in Mulan might be the same as the China in Tarzan, or you can believe the world of Mulan and Tarzan have their own versions of China. It's up to you, because I doubt it's a question KH feels the need to answer. I personally believe each Disney world is its own universe, with their own versions of China. My question is whether those Disney worlds are full-sized Earth planets like ours, or if it's mainly just China or Deep Jungle.

 

3: Stitch's native universe is never explored in detail, so I thought Deep Space's ship was just traveling through the Lanes Between/Sea of Stars/whateverthingy. KH has its own mechanics regarding different worlds, so having a giant galaxy with its own alien planets would seem kind of redundant.

[Dustin Lübbers 933]

They are just much smaller planets, remember ansem(xehanort) wrote in hos report that he would lile to go to others worlds but that he could not find a way out so my guess is a brilliant scientist like him would have thought about just walking a few miles.

My guess is that the aliens in stiches world just recently discovered space travel and maybe the invisible walls begin right there were we first met them. The reason why there is a globe in tarzans camp is i believe because they wanted to be true to the movie and did not think about the internal logic of the universe on the other hand sora and his gang crash landed on that world so maybe there is a whole lot more planet there that we just dont see.

[Headphone Jack 1,147]

it's just a video game. i think some things we're able to let slide because of that.

 

the games never really attempt to explain what exactly the boundaries of a world are because it isn't needed to understand the story or enjoy the game. 

 

one could always assume that we're seeing only a small portion of the world and there does exist many more locations than what existed in the original Disney movies they're based on. it's just we're limited to seeing what's only relevant to the Disney films. 

[Hero of Light XIV 2,381]

I've wondered about that too, but as it's been mentioned, it's probably not something you're meant to think about too hard. Most elements in Kingdom Hearts are like that. If I had to take a crack at it with my own personal headcanons:

 

1: If the worlds are depicted like miniature planets, you'd probably just circle back the way you came. You can't get to places like the Lanes Between without some way to bypass the world's barriers.

 

2: The correlation probably depends on how much continuity you want to believe the Disney franchise has with each other. China in Mulan might be the same as the China in Tarzan, or you can believe the world of Mulan and Tarzan have their own versions of China. It's up to you, because I doubt it's a question KH feels the need to answer. I personally believe each Disney world is its own universe, with their own versions of China. My question is whether those Disney worlds are full-sized Earth planets like ours, or if it's mainly just China or Deep Jungle.

 

3: Stitch's native universe is never explored in detail, so I thought Deep Space's ship was just traveling through the Lanes Between/Sea of Stars/whateverthingy. KH has its own mechanics regarding different worlds, so having a giant galaxy with its own alien planets would seem kind of redundant.

 

Pretty much this, we aren't supposed to think about it too hard. If you wanted more detail, you'd probably have to fill it up with your own headcanon to fill in the gaps. But there are probably some things you don't have to worry about. Here I just kind of delve into more detail about how I feel it probably works and why we don't have to worry as much about how things happen (mostly because of meta-reasons like "the movie didn't feature these areas so they aren't relevant enough to show").

 

1. Pretty sure that if you keep walking on a world you're not going to randomly end up in the Lanes Between. That's just not how any planet works, we can't walk around Earth for miles and miles until we come across "the edge of the world", because that edge doesn't exist. Otherwise we've been wasting +50 years trying to get into space through rockets when we could have just found some magic cave somewhere that leads directly to the moon or something. I mean if that worked that way, then any of the worlds' various inhabitants would have stumbled across the Lanes Between already and the whole point of the worlds keeping each other separated would have been pretty pointless. So like any other planet or planetoid, you would likely just keep going around however much of the world there is until you eventually return to the point you started from.

 

2. Like Draco said, it really depends on if you buy into the whole "Disney universe is all canon to each other" fan theory. Unless you're one of those people who are convinced that the ship that Elsa and Anna's parents were on is the same sunken ship that's seen in Atlantica and that they escaped on a life boat to Africa last second and gave birth to Tarzan making him Elsa and Anna's long lost brother, and that while at the same time that's happening the events of Peter Pan: Return to Neverland are also taking place (because World War II) in London, and that 20-30 years earlier in America the events of Atlantis the Lost Empire took place and etc, etc, etc, the point is, unless you're one of the Disney fans who buys into that idea that all the movies can be traced back to one another in one large world where a lot of magical stuff happens in every corner of the world every second of every year, odds are you shouldn't assume the worlds in KH are anymore connected to each other as they are literally separate areas of time and space on their own. I mean, technically speaking they were all part of the same world once, but would time really have allowed all of them to influence each other in that sort of way prior to the Keyblade War? Doesn't seem likely, that was more than a 1000 years ago and they all would have been following the same time-flow by that point. As far as KH is concerned, these worlds and the properties they are based off of seem to be largely independent of each other, unless they are made of multiple worlds that are directly connected to each other (ie, The Grid and whatever the name of the "Real World" it comes from would be called for instance, or Monstro and Prankster's Paradise).

 

I mean, if you wanted to, I guess you could still argue that the events of all of the Disney movies still could have been influencing each other prior to being separated like the fan theory suggests and that the Keyblade War's destruction causes them to become separate but each still progressing through their own flow of time, while the inhabitants themselves don't perceive that much time taking place anyway, since Riku and Joshua explained that each world follows it's own passage of time in some form or another. There's certainly room to believe that if that's what you want to believe, but personally I find it to be much simpler to just assume that each of these properties, as far as KH is concerned, came about independently under their own terms. Whether or not Tarzan's China and Mulan's China are one and the same in different points of time is irrelevant, as they are on two separate worlds anyway, so you would never get to compare them anyhow. For that matter, for all we know there's more to the worlds than just the areas we can explore (returning worlds like Agrabah and Halloween Town keep having different areas available all the time).

 

Maybe for the inhabitants of that world, the rest of the "Earth" that Agrabah, Atlantica, Olympus Coliseum, etc. take place in actually exists for them to explore (I mean, Genie's world tour would have been pretty boring if all there was to see was just endless desert and nothing else). We just don't get to see it because we play the role of explorers and we really don't need to explore much further than the areas that the story takes place in. Maybe the world itself even prevents outsiders like Sora and the others from exploring beyond the bounds of the main setting of the movie the world is based off of, so while the inhabitants like Genie can explore as much as they want, we're kind of stuck to a small piece of a possibly more expansive world. And even then most inhabitants don't stray too far from their setting anyway, either out of comfort or environmental reasons (Destiny Islands are surrounded by seemingly endless ocean, Agrabah is surrounded by seemingly endless desert, Land of Dragons has a bajillion mountain ranges everywhere, etc.), so it's unlikely you would ever have to explore beyond what the world thinks is necessary for you to snoop around in.

 

3. As far as particular worlds like Stitch's "native galaxy" or "corner of the universe" or whatever you want to call that part of space Jumba created him in, which in this case would not simply be made up of one specific planetoid but rather a designated piece of space with any planets or space-stuff that directly interacts with the events of the movie, the difference may be tricky, but I think the rules would be mostly the same. It's possible that those other planets from the Lilo and Stitch movie are still part of that movie's "world" so to speak, but as an explorer, again, the "world" itself doesn't allow outsiders like Aqua explore beyond the part that it feels is necessary for them to meddle around in, the spaceship that Stitch is being kept on. As far as we know, the "space" that makes up the world is still the Lanes Between/Ocean of Stars that makes up the world selection map of the KH games, just with a few more visible planets/worlds/whatever visible, but either not given many distinctive features cause the world doesn't want you to focus on those or it doesn't want its' inhabitants questioning their presence that much, or again they are the same ones from the movie but they were never really explored in detail in the movie so they really don't serve much more than set decorations at this point.

 

With this in mind, maybe a world based off the likes of Star Wars or Treasure Planet could still work as they could instead of being one singular world could be a small cluster of worlds that occupy the same space, it's just that the world barrier would extend beyond just one of them and encompass all of them and the space between them. I guess you can almost think of it as something similar to Super Mario Galaxy's galaxy system, in that each situation like this is sort of it's own little mini-galaxy or star-system, but instead of heavy science being applied here it's more of a simple explanation of "this world considers itself to be much more than just one planetary object and has extended it's world barrier to encompass more than one planetary object". So that's another possibility for worlds like Deep Space, it's simply a section of space/The Lanes Between/The Ocean of Stars that has a larger barrier around itself so that the "world" actually encompasses more planetary objects and spaceships and whatnot. I don't know what would be a much more "sciency" explanation for this phenomenon in terms of KH physics, other than the meta-explanation that "because this movie's events take place on more than just one planet, the 'world' itself needs to consist of more than just one planet for the events to be recreated". So for Stitch's world, it would consist of Eeee-Arth/Earth (or at least he Hawaii part of it), the Deep Space outside of it, the space ship that he was originally held in, and any of the various planets/asteroids/objects that were relevant to the story and setting of the movies, and that's it. Those planets you saw were probably just some of those "relevant planets" that the world wouldn't let you explore cause you're already involved enough and likely aren't other Disney worlds that haven't been discovered yet (I really doubt one of those was secretly Agrabah or something).

 

Hopefully all this provides you with some headcanon to consider if you were hoping for more possibilities as to how all the worlds work. But I think the bottom line is that we don't have to overthink things too much for this kind of a setup, as that would usually lead to either headaches or artificially generating plot-holes that were probably never there to begin with.

 

Or to paraphrase a popular riffing show, if you want to know where worlds begin or end, and other science facts, just say to yourself "it's just a game, I should really just relax".

Edited March 19, 2017 by Hero of Light XIV

[Movies798 1,359]

"There are many worlds but they share the same sky. One sky, one destiny."

 

I think in the first Kingdom Hearts game the characters or Ansem's Report said that all the stars in the galaxy are in fact worlds. Remember cutscene in Kingdom Hearts after Destiny Island was swallowed by darkness? After that scene that next scene show Goofy looking up and pointing up in the sky just as he saw one of the stars go out. The star that went out was Destiny Island, so pretty much all the stars in the galaxy are many different worlds who have their own people, their own culture, and their owns rules. I don't think there is a "real version of earth" like our earth because it's a videogame about an original character travelling to many different original worlds and Disney worlds. And I think it's one of those things where we shouldn't think too much about it.

Edited March 20, 2017 by Movies798

[Elfdemon_ 695]

1.Where exactly does a world end?  In the series, worlds are depicted as miniature "planets" but I always wondered about boundaries.  I mean let's say you were in Radiant Garden-a Castle and Town walled up on an island in what appears to be a lake country with green mountains all around and you journeyed out away from the inhabited area and kept going.  Where would you end up or what would you find- an endless expanse of that particular's world natural geography or maybe you would naturally end up in the Lanes Between, or maybe an actual planet situation where you would just end up back to the inhabited area again?

 

You said it yourself: they're depicted as planets. So, I'd assume that if you keep going in one direction long enough, you'd end up right where you started.

 

2.What is the correlation between the separate worlds and the real version of Earth?  For example, Land of Dragons characters mention their world being "China" and in the Tarzan Deep Jungle, there is a map depicting the entire African continent in the Tent- both real life locations?

 

No answer for this as of currently. HMK has an interesting theory on it.

 

 

3. Deep Space always puzzled me, is it a ship that is capable of traveling the Lanes Between, or is the Stitch galaxy/planets considered one massive World on its own since if you view out the windows and the ship hull, you can see a Purple planet looming above?

 

You seem to have the Lanes Between and the Ocean Between mixed up. The Ocean Between is essentially outer space, except for the fact that you can breath in it. The Lanes Between are special short cuts that you can open up with Keyblade portals. The world known as "Deep Space" is just Gantu's ship flying through the Ocean Between as far as we know. The giant purple planet is probably another world or something. Has it been confirmed to be a planet? Maybe it's a star or some other weird celestial body, because stars are confirmed to exist in the KH universe.