Don't Be Fooled By People Claiming 2.8 Got a Major Graphical Upgrade at TGS

[hatok 6,413]

It's been a big thing on reddit

 

 

People have been going around claiming that KH2.8, specifically the 0.2 stuff, has received a major graphical update since E3. This is not the case, however, and if you notice from the image above you probably know why. What people have been doing is comparing off-camera footage of the demo, and the TGS demo looks a fair bit darker. However, recording a TV screen captures imperfect colour, only TRAILERS are true indicators of the graphics. People are taking this darker screen and interpreting it asa major graphical improvement. It's not.

 

KH2.8 HAS received some graphical tweaks. If you look at Riku and Kairi you'll see the detailing on their models, particularly the hair, has changed since E3. However, don't let this trick you into seeing upgrades where there are none.

 

That's all, have a nice day everyone.

 

[ac27 3]

I disagree.  I believe they did make improvements to the models - especially Terra.  It looks like the lighting is more natural too.

 

Here's a pic comparison someone has found and I think it really shows how much they upgraded Terra:

 

 

 

 

Edited September 20, 2016 by ac27

[ShadowKeyblade 219]

I disagree.  I believe they did make improvements to the models - especially Terra.  It looks like the lightening is more natural too.

 

Here's a pic comparison someone has found and I think it really shows how much they upgraded Terra:

 

 

 

 

This goes back to the whole "darker screen" thing.

 

Sorry, much as I want to believe it's better graphics, I doubt it is. Nomura even said there were no enhancements to the demos present and going forward.

[ac27 3]

This goes back to the whole "darker screen" thing.

 

Sorry, much as I want to believe it's better graphics, I doubt it is. Nomura even said there were no enhancements to the demos present and going forward.

 

The second pic looks like a completely different Terra - not because it's "darker".  *Shrugs*  Idk, guess we're just gonna have to agree to disagree.

[ShadowKeyblade 219]

The second pic looks like a completely different Terra - not because it's "darker".  *Shrugs*  Idk, guess we're just gonna have to agree to disagree.

Well, they're definitely the same model. It's like if they removed the shine and made everything darker, but I don't know if that's due to the TV settings or it actually was improved. Believe me, I hope it's the latter, it's just with what we were told by Nomura... I highly doubt it is.

[hatok 6,413]

The second pic looks like a completely different Terra - not because it's "darker".  *Shrugs*  Idk, guess we're just gonna have to agree to disagree.

part of it is that it's a different part of the animation, look at Terra's belt buckle, it's in a different place on the bottom oft he screen. But the rest really is lighting. overexposing a face can REALLY make things look different, because shadows are how our brains determine a lot of details

[Jake 1,488]

This goes back to the whole "darker screen" thing.

 

Sorry, much as I want to believe it's better graphics, I doubt it is. Nomura even said there were no enhancements to the demos present and going forward.

He never said that though. He only said that the demo wasn't going to change in terms of gameplay. He never directly stated that the demo won't have improvements or anything overtime.

[Kingdomhe 1,362]

It's been a big thing on reddit

 

 

People have been going around claiming that KH2.8, specifically the 0.2 stuff, has received a major graphical update since E3. This is not the case, however, and if you notice from the image above you probably know why. What people have been doing is comparing off-camera footage of the demo, and the TGS demo looks a fair bit darker. However, recording a TV screen captures imperfect colour, only TRAILERS are true indicators of the graphics. People are taking this darker screen and interpreting it asa major graphical improvement. It's not.

 

KH2.8 HAS received some graphical tweaks. If you look at Riku and Kairi you'll see the detailing on their models, particularly the hair, has changed since E3. However, don't let this trick you into seeing upgrades where there are none.

 

That's all, have a nice day everyone.

 

This goes back to the whole "darker screen" thing.

 

Sorry, much as I want to believe it's better graphics, I doubt it is. Nomura even said there were no enhancements to the demos present and going forward.

 

 

The second pic looks like a completely different Terra - not because it's "darker".  *Shrugs*  Idk, guess we're just gonna have to agree to disagree.

 

 

part of it is that it's a different part of the animation, look at Terra's belt buckle, it's in a different place on the bottom oft he screen. But the rest really is lighting. overexposing a face can REALLY make things look different, because shadows are how our brains determine a lot of details

 

I thought people that have played the other demos where saying this when they played this one. Still, there has been a major upgrades and I'm going to tell you guys what the problems where, basically what KH3 and 0.2 has been doing is make them out of clay and molding them. The problem is they weren't using anything to give them detail and they ended up looking weird, but now they are using these:

 

 

 

to give them more detail, you can see it on Riku's muscles, Terra's model is the same but it has been redone with these tools and his head isn't as big, etc. Now the other thing IS the lighting, they did hire a new lighting specialist recently remember. And the last thing imo, was the hair which is now change to more detailed hair.

[KingdomHearts3 2,591]

I think that there were upgrades from last time. It looked better this time around than last.

[Guest]

It's been a big thing on reddit

 

 

People have been going around claiming that KH2.8, specifically the 0.2 stuff, has received a major graphical update since E3. This is not the case, however, and if you notice from the image above you probably know why. What people have been doing is comparing off-camera footage of the demo, and the TGS demo looks a fair bit darker. However, recording a TV screen captures imperfect colour, only TRAILERS are true indicators of the graphics. People are taking this darker screen and interpreting it asa major graphical improvement. It's not.

 

KH2.8 HAS received some graphical tweaks. If you look at Riku and Kairi you'll see the detailing on their models, particularly the hair, has changed since E3. However, don't let this trick you into seeing upgrades where there are none.

 

That's all, have a nice day everyone.

 

You've completely mis-interpreted the changes. It's not the contrast that people care about... it's that Terra's model has been drastically modified. I'm sorry, but you have to be more appreciative of video game developers when they make subtle changes like this.

Edited September 19, 2016 by Guest

[Hallowseve 143]

All I can say is Terra looks WAY better than he did in the first demo.

[hatok 6,413]

You've completely mis-interpreted the changes. It's not the contrast that people care about... it's that Terra's model has been drastically modified. I'm sorry, but you have to be more appreciative of video game developers when they make subtle changes like this.

it looks drastically darker. That's the difference. He's not overexposed, so he looks better. The model itself doesn't have any obvious differences, it just LOOKS better because it wasn't recorded in the bright E3 room. The actual shape of the model? No differences. There's nothing to appreciate, and I don't know why people would assume they'd make a new, very SLIGHTLY different demo, and then try to get the fans to figure out if it was improved or not. What's the point of spending time improving a demo if people aren't even going to know?

 

But anyways, the problem is comparing TV footage. If we could compare direct capture of Terra from both scenes, then we'd have something, we'd be able to see exactly whether or not his model was different. But we don't HAVE direct feed, we have off cam, which is REALLY unreliable. So there's no comparison to be made.

[ShadowKeyblade 219]

He never said that though. He only said that the demo wasn't going to change in terms of gameplay. He never directly stated that the demo won't have improvements or anything overtime.

He said it's "in the same style." It wasn't specifically pointed towards gameplay or aesthetic, and based on the fact that this is a translation I think we can assume that he meant to say they were more or less the same..

 

I thought people that have played the other demos where saying this when they played this one. Still, there has been a major upgrades and I'm going to tell you guys what the problems where, basically what KH3 and 0.2 has been doing is make them out of clay and molding them. The problem is they weren't using anything to give them detail and they ended up looking weird, but now they are using these:

 

 

 

to give them more detail, you can see it on Riku's muscles, Terra's model is the same but it has been redone with these tools and his head isn't as big, etc. Now the other thing IS the lighting, they did hire a new lighting specialist recently remember. And the last thing imo, was the hair which is now change to more detailed hair.

Except that's not what's going on here. The models are done, and detailed, however you couldn't see the details very well with the odd lighting and shine from what we saw at E3. Either the TV settings turned things down so they looked less fake, or they updated the lighting. One of those two. There's no added texture, that I can tell for a fact. The darker shade and shadows are what give everything a lot more detail, and without the shine you can see the fabrics and such more clearly. Get rid of the notion that any size of Terra has changed as well. The images are not an exact 1:1 angle of each other. One is closer to Terra than the other, giving them different sizes.

 

 

You've completely mis-interpreted the changes. It's not the contrast that people care about... it's that Terra's model has been drastically modified. I'm sorry, but you have to be more appreciative of video game developers when they make subtle changes like this.

See what I said to Kingdomhe. You're misinterpretting the changes, not him. Terra's model has not changed at all. At most what has changed is the lighting/shading

[GroovingOnUp 163]

Even with different sources,Terra looks noticeably improved from his e3 model.

Sorry,but i have an incredibly hard time believing TV settings alone can do something like this.

 

It's not like these models needed drastic improvements anyway,something subtle could show improvements.Especially with unreal being apparently very easy to work with,especially when it comes modifying the lighting.

Edited September 19, 2016 by GroovingOnUp

[Jake 1,488]

He said it's "in the same style." It wasn't specifically pointed towards gameplay or aesthetic, and based on the fact that this is a translation I think we can assume that he meant to say they were more or less the same..

 

Except that's not what's going on here. The models are done, and detailed, however you couldn't see the details very well with the odd lighting and shine from what we saw at E3. Either the TV settings turned things down so they looked less fake, or they updated the lighting. One of those two. There's no added texture, that I can tell for a fact. The darker shade and shadows are what give everything a lot more detail, and without the shine you can see the fabrics and such more clearly. Get rid of the notion that any size of Terra has changed as well. The images are not an exact 1:1 angle of each other. One is closer to Terra than the other, giving them different sizes.

 

 

See what I said to Kingdomhe. You're misinterpretting the changes, not him. Terra's model has not changed at all. At most what has changed is the lighting/shading

 

That's just assuming though. We'll never really know if they ever made slight changes or not.

[ShadowKeyblade 219]

That's just assuming though. We'll never really know if they ever made slight changes or not.

True, but I seriously, seriously doubt that they would. It would be a complete waste of resources to update a demo for something like this.

 

On the bright side, the actual game looks more like what the TGS demo looked like, so I can't complain.

[Jake 1,488]

True, but I seriously, seriously doubt that they would. It would be a complete waste of resources to update a demo for something like this.

 

On the bright side, the actual game looks more like what the TGS demo looked like, so I can't complain.

 

I'd think the same, but at the same time, they might want to update the demo so that people get better impressions of the game, since afterall, that's what a demo is, right? SE wants to make sure their demo is top notch so that event attendees get a good feel for the game graphics, controls, etc. and can decide whether or not it's worth their money in January. 

[Tails 6,692]

It's been a big thing on reddit

 

 

People have been going around claiming that KH2.8, specifically the 0.2 stuff, has received a major graphical update since E3. This is not the case, however, and if you notice from the image above you probably know why. What people have been doing is comparing off-camera footage of the demo, and the TGS demo looks a fair bit darker. However, recording a TV screen captures imperfect colour, only TRAILERS are true indicators of the graphics. People are taking this darker screen and interpreting it asa major graphical improvement. It's not.

 

KH2.8 HAS received some graphical tweaks. If you look at Riku and Kairi you'll see the detailing on their models, particularly the hair, has changed since E3. However, don't let this trick you into seeing upgrades where there are none.

 

That's all, have a nice day everyone.

Holy crap thank you for explaining this. A lot of people have been saying that Terra's model looks "better" when that's not truly the case when it's mainly because of the lights in the room that they're playing the demo in. I mean even if they did improve his model slightly. He still looks very derpy and made of plastic. It still looks disqusting 

[TheKeyofRose 282]

Holy crap thank you for explaining this. A lot of people have been saying that Terra's model looks "better" when that's not truly the case when it's mainly because of the lights in the room that they're playing the demo in. I mean even if they did improve his model slightly. He still looks very derpy and made of plastic. It still looks disqusting 

No, no it doesn't.

 

He looks a lot better compared to E3 people saying it's just the lighting are dumb as all hell lighting cannot change bone mesh.

[Guest]

But anyways, the problem is comparing TV footage. If we could compare direct capture of Terra from both scenes, then we'd have something, we'd be able to see exactly whether or not his model was different. But we don't HAVE direct feed, we have off cam, which is REALLY unreliable. So there's no comparison to be made.

 

You mean to tell me that the only changes made here is just TV contrast? I'm sorry, but TV contrast cannot affect the modeling of facial features. It's clearly shown in this picture that Terra's face has been altered. His facial features are far more spread out in the TGS footage.

 

[Kingdomhe 1,362]

He said it's "in the same style." It wasn't specifically pointed towards gameplay or aesthetic, and based on the fact that this is a translation I think we can assume that he meant to say they were more or less the same..

 

Except that's not what's going on here. The models are done, and detailed, however you couldn't see the details very well with the odd lighting and shine from what we saw at E3. Either the TV settings turned things down so they looked less fake, or they updated the lighting. One of those two. There's no added texture, that I can tell for a fact. The darker shade and shadows are what give everything a lot more detail, and without the shine you can see the fabrics and such more clearly. Get rid of the notion that any size of Terra has changed as well. The images are not an exact 1:1 angle of each other. One is closer to Terra than the other, giving them different sizes.

 

 

See what I said to Kingdomhe. You're misinterpretting the changes, not him. Terra's model has not changed at all. At most what has changed is the lighting/shading

 

 

Even with different sources,Terra looks noticeably improved from his e3 model.

Sorry,but i have an incredibly hard time believing TV settings alone can do something like this.

 

It's not like these models needed drastic improvements anyway,something subtle could show improvements.Especially with unreal being apparently very easy to work with,especially when it comes modifying the lighting.

You can easily see that they fixed up the models not just the lighting. Terra's muscles are more visible and his fix is not a derby, lighting can't change that. 

[ShadowKeyblade 219]

You can easily see that they fixed up the models not just the lighting. Terra's muscles are more visible and his fix is not a derby, lighting can't change that. 

You underestimate what lighting can do. Here's a comparison gif of Terra. One is photoshopped to give it the vibe the TGS demo has

 

Shadows create a lot of the details that we see, so that different lighting/contrast/whatever makes it look much more natural.

Edited September 19, 2016 by ShadowKeyblade

[Guest]

You underestimate what lighting can do. Here's a comparison gif of Terra. One is photoshopped to give it the vibe the TGS demo has

 

Shadows create a lot of the details that we see, so that different lighting/contrast/whatever makes it look much more natural.

 

But that doesn't change the derpiness of Terra's face though does it? clearly, there's been more than just a contrast change with the TGS footage...

[ShadowKeyblade 219]

But that doesn't change the derpiness of Terra's face though does it? clearly, there's been more than just a contrast change with the TGS footage...

Yes, it does a significant amount. There is the shine still, but part of that weird look may be caused by being recorded off a TV. Not pretending to be an expert or anything, just my 2 cents. Makes more sense than them updating a demo.

[TheKeyofRose 282]

Yes, it does a significant amount. There is the shine still, but part of that weird look may be caused by being recorded off a TV. Not pretending to be an expert or anything, just my 2 cents. Makes more sense than them updating a demo.

Demo's and even beta's get updates all the time?

 

Does it really matter that it did in the end it's gonna like fine as the end result.