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#21 TheSilentHero

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Posted 21 April 2016 - 12:11 PM

Could you also add

**Kingdom Hearts Wiki|Copied from KHWiki

 

Also, I don't know if anyone else has this problem, but every time I go to the wiki on my phone, I am logged out. Does anyone know what causes this?



#22 InperialManse

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Posted 21 April 2016 - 02:17 PM

It's not a system thing, but if we could add something in the sitenotice directing editors and readers to information on the new events, that would do a lot to help traffic. In fact, if we just had a rotating front page listing of currently active events, similar to Bulbanews, that would make us a critical site very quickly. Basically, anyone looking for something to do who isn't adept at system-level coding should be directed towards making the event articles as complete and useful as possible, so that people can make the most of the event. We should probably also mention that the story mode just got expanded, meaning people can upgrade 1-2 more Keyblades (and if my guess is correct, finally meet Ephemera, tho I haven't gotten to that point yet).

 

Sadako or DChiuch would probably do good to advertise the wiki on reddit, as well, since that community has a lot of people eager to share information.

 

EDIT: Yay, Chrome just lost everything I had typed for no reason, because something on this page keeps trying to load. Great.

 

Okay, the gist of it was that, while wikia's tabber extension is nice, it's not nicely compatible with booleans like #if or #ifexist which are needed to  make more dynamic, generalized templates that can be used across the board. Because of that, I'd like to request that the divclass "tabbertab" be added as well. For front end ease of use, khwiki has "Template:Tab" which is very intuitive and doesn't require editors to deal with the long code needed for the tabbertab divclass, while still being compatible with booleans.

 

As far as the Mission 1 article is concerned, at this time I have no knowledge of whether JP and NA missions are 1:1; i.e., mission 57 is the same story mission in both games, with maybe slight changes in stats. Therefore, I coded the infobox to assume every single stat is different; if it turns out they're not, we can simplify that code a bit. One thing I did want to point out -- a lot of the articles list both NA and JP ap prices, but the NA prices seem to just be the "Half AP" that is currently going on, and will presumably end. If true, then it might be a good idea to just list the "actual" ap we'll have in a few months, and have the "AP" column title link to a description of such promotions. Also, the treasure table could be well served by having a Daybreak color scheme to parallel the Twilight one it's currently self-plagiarizing. Pastel blues, purples, pinks, that sort of thing, like what TSH did for the infobox already. Also, I'm not sure that we really need to show the mission select screens.


Edited by InperialManse, 21 April 2016 - 02:38 PM.


#23 DChiuch

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Posted 22 April 2016 - 02:32 AM

Could you also add

**Kingdom Hearts Wiki|Copied from KHWiki

 

Also, I don't know if anyone else has this problem, but every time I go to the wiki on my phone, I am logged out. Does anyone know what causes this?

 

I feel like credit is a distinct thing from a "license", and that it doesn't make sense to conflate the two. Is there a different way to make it really easy to credit KHWiki on the image pages? Could we just make a template and include it in the image descriptions?

 

I've installed http://www.khunchain...al:UploadWizard so that we can upload a bunch of images at once and give them all the same license, description, etc – so I think this will be just as easy.

 

PS: Not sure about the logging out issue, is anyone else experiencing it?

It's not a system thing, but if we could add something in the sitenotice directing editors and readers to information on the new events, that would do a lot to help traffic. In fact, if we just had a rotating front page listing of currently active events, similar to Bulbanews, that would make us a critical site very quickly. Basically, anyone looking for something to do who isn't adept at system-level coding should be directed towards making the event articles as complete and useful as possible, so that people can make the most of the event. We should probably also mention that the story mode just got expanded, meaning people can upgrade 1-2 more Keyblades (and if my guess is correct, finally meet Ephemera, tho I haven't gotten to that point yet).

 

I think that's a great idea – once we get the Events pages up to a good standard then we should definitely do this.

 

In the meantime, I've embedded @KH13chi on the main page so that visitors can see what's going on in KHX. Please work with the KHX Team and encourage them to link to the wiki more and more (I will encourage them too), so that a lot of the tweets bring people back to the wiki.

 

Sadako or DChiuch would probably do good to advertise the wiki on reddit, as well, since that community has a lot of people eager to share information.   EDIT: Yay, Chrome just lost everything I had typed for no reason, because something on this page keeps trying to load. Great.

 

We did quite a bit of advertising with the launch, with a full news article and posts on all of our social media channels (plus shared to reddit, I think). I don't want to spam those kinds of boards since they might consider it to be too much like advertising, but we should definitely be encouraging editors and users of the wiki alike to share it more. Also, after we complete a "milestone" on the wiki (eg. something like revamping the main page, or completing all of the medal pages, etc) we should definitely get the KH13 News Team / KHX Team to feature it in an article + social media posts.

 

I think the first such milestone will be making the main page more intuitive and useful for KHUX players. I've made a topic to discuss this: http://kh13.com/foru...-the-main-page/

 

Okay, the gist of it was that, while wikia's tabber extension is nice, it's not nicely compatible with booleans like #if or #ifexist which are needed to  make more dynamic, generalized templates that can be used across the board. Because of that, I'd like to request that the divclass "tabbertab" be added as well. For front end ease of use, khwiki has "Template:Tab" which is very intuitive and doesn't require editors to deal with the long code needed for the tabbertab divclass, while still being compatible with booleans.

 

The ParserFunctions and Widgets extensions are enabled, so I think this should be possible for people to develop – if anyone needs access to anything, please let me know.

 

As far as the Mission 1 article is concerned, at this time I have no knowledge of whether JP and NA missions are 1:1; i.e., mission 57 is the same story mission in both games, with maybe slight changes in stats. Therefore, I coded the infobox to assume every single stat is different; if it turns out they're not, we can simplify that code a bit. One thing I did want to point out -- a lot of the articles list both NA and JP ap prices, but the NA prices seem to just be the "Half AP" that is currently going on, and will presumably end. If true, then it might be a good idea to just list the "actual" ap we'll have in a few months, and have the "AP" column title link to a description of such promotions. Also, the treasure table could be well served by having a Daybreak color scheme to parallel the Twilight one it's currently self-plagiarizing. Pastel blues, purples, pinks, that sort of thing, like what TSH did for the infobox already. Also, I'm not sure that we really need to show the mission select screens.

 

Will leave this stuff to others to cover.



#24 TheSilentHero

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Posted 22 April 2016 - 01:13 PM

Could you copy all tabber stuff from http://www.khwiki.co...aWiki:Common.js and http://www.khwiki.co...Wiki:Common.css to Mediawiki:Common.js and Mediawiki:Common.css?



#25 DChiuch

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Posted 22 April 2016 - 09:55 PM

Could you copy all tabber stuff from http://www.khwiki.co...aWiki:Common.js and http://www.khwiki.co...Wiki:Common.css to Mediawiki:Common.js and Mediawiki:Common.css?

 

No problem, done. Let me know if anything is missing, or let me know if anything is broken and I'll be able to work out what's missing.



#26 InperialManse

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Posted 23 April 2016 - 01:52 AM

I feel like credit is a distinct thing from a "license", and that it doesn't make sense to conflate the two. Is there a different way to make it really easy to credit KHWiki on the image pages? Could we just make a template and include it in the image descriptions?

My idea was that the original license would be on KHWiki, and that the template would direct readers to the original image.

 

 

[color=rgb(40,40,40);font-family:'Helvetica Neue', helvetica, arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;]I think that's a great idea – once we get the Events pages up to a good standard then we should definitely do this.[/color]

 

I'm pretty happy with how Mission 1 is formatted. I'm moving this weekend, but come Monday I'm going to get the unlock deal, so I can try and go through making all the event/special mission pages. I think a good plan for right now, alongside the special requests that have been made in this forum, is just for those editing the wiki to go forward creating Mission articles based on the Mission 1 template, and if possible, focusing on event missions first.



#27 TheSilentHero

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Posted 23 April 2016 - 09:51 AM

No problem, done. Let me know if anything is missing, or let me know if anything is broken and I'll be able to work out what's missing.

 

Could you add the following to Mediawiki:Common.css:

 

/* Float right */ .goright { clear:right; float:right; }

 

/* fulltabs class to allow for full tabber width */ .fulltabs .tabberlive { margin-left: 0; } .fulltabs .goright { clear: none; float: none; }

 

That should make it work.



#28 Katie Armstrong

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Posted 23 April 2016 - 03:59 PM

Re: the missions being 1:1, everything I've seen so far suggests that they are almost exactly 1:1, with the exception of some of the mission challenges (e.g. the NA version almost exclusively has the 'Defeat all enemies in 1 turn' challenge, while the JP version usually requires only beating the Target Heartless in 1 turn). The Half AP is set to end in about a week or so.


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Posted 24 April 2016 - 01:01 AM

Could you add the following to Mediawiki:Common.css:

 

/* Float right */ .goright { clear:right; float:right; }

 

/* fulltabs class to allow for full tabber width */ .fulltabs .tabberlive { margin-left: 0; } .fulltabs .goright { clear: none; float: none; }

 

That should make it work.

 

Yup, done.



#30 ShardofTruth

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Posted 24 April 2016 - 05:27 AM

As Katie said before the missions are really not that different in both versions, we have different challenges, a bit different rewards and one script change so far, so shouldn't we just include this information in one template without tabs? AP will probably also be the same once the half AP campaign ends.   So all that has to be included in the NA infobox would be the Japanese title and challenges + their rewards as separate rows. But maybe the "cleaner" view is wanted, I don't know. What I'm also not sure about is if the Japanese title and challenges should be included in Japanese, as translation or both.   The other thing I'm unsure about is how to tackle the events. The "Dress like Mickey" event will be over in seven days and by then the missions and boards won't be accesssible anymore. Should the event missions be handled the same as the story missions or put on one page?   What about the differences to the Japanese "みんなでミッキー・コーデ" event? There was a fourth mission and another medal board, the prices for the nodes were also different.



#31 Katie Armstrong

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Posted 24 April 2016 - 10:32 PM

It wouldn't be difficult to include both the original Japanese text and the translation--just a little tedious, but there's less than 20 total mission requirements.



#32 InperialManse

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Posted 25 April 2016 - 08:34 PM

As Katie said before the missions are really not that different in both versions, we have different challenges, a bit different rewards and one script change so far, so shouldn't we just include this information in one template without tabs? AP will probably also be the same once the half AP campaign ends.   So all that has to be included in the NA infobox would be the Japanese title and challenges + their rewards as separate rows. But maybe the "cleaner" view is wanted, I don't know. What I'm also not sure about is if the Japanese title and challenges should be included in Japanese, as translation or both.   The other thing I'm unsure about is how to tackle the events. The "Dress like Mickey" event will be over in seven days and by then the missions and boards won't be accesssible anymore. Should the event missions be handled the same as the story missions or put on one page?   What about the differences to the Japanese "みんなでミッキー・コーデ" event? There was a fourth mission and another medal board, the prices for the nodes were also different.

We could definitely include it without tabs, I just need absolute confirmation on what's the same and what's different. As far as Mickey, I can work on the actual Mission article, but we need to get a "news page" pointing to it like now. See Wikimon or Bulbanews for examples of how to advertise that, and we could use the in-game event banner cropped from a screenshot (or ripped if anyone knows how). Basically, it's a PR/graphics thing, and that's not my forte at all. TheSilentHero is usually good at designing those sort of pretty templates, and the editors who work on the KHWiki magazine might have good input to. I'm also going to start working on uploading all the map tile rips from KHX, using the map names from the English app. If anyone would like to help, more power to you. It would be helpful if I could get move/delete permissions, in case I make any mistakes; if y'all want to wait to hold elections instead, then I'll just make a list of anything I flub. EDIT: http://www.khunchain...php?title=Event is really good, but we should also include the other notices, make it a bit flashier, have a link to the missions, and absolutely 100% have a notice on the front page. I'll start working on the mission articles for them.


Edited by InperialManse, 25 April 2016 - 08:34 PM.


#33 ShardofTruth

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Posted 26 April 2016 - 05:14 AM

I added two mission articles for the event, if it's prefered to have them all on one page, it would still be possible to simply transclude them.   I'm not really happy with the enemy list because it feels bloated and it doesn't do the mixed groups justice. There is also the problem with the egg and chest Heartless, because they have a chance to appear on (almost?) every map but don't always spawn. The egg Heartless appear more regularly on the event maps where they drop a large amount of Event Medals.    

I'm also going to start working on uploading all the map tile rips from KHX, using the map names from the English app. If anyone would like to help, more power to you. It would be helpful if I could get move/delete permissions, in case I make any mistakes; if y'all want to wait to hold elections instead, then I'll just make a list of anything I flub.

I uploaded all currently accessible Daybreak Town maps, I'm still not sure what you want to do with them.


Edited by ShardofTruth, 26 April 2016 - 05:41 AM.


#34 InperialManse

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Posted 26 April 2016 - 07:02 PM

I added two mission articles for the event, if it's prefered to have them all on one page, it would still be possible to simply transclude them.   I'm not really happy with the enemy list because it feels bloated and it doesn't do the mixed groups justice. There is also the problem with the egg and chest Heartless, because they have a chance to appear on (almost?) every map but don't always spawn. The egg Heartless appear more regularly on the event maps where they drop a large amount of Event Medals.    

I uploaded all currently accessible Daybreak Town maps, I'm still not sure what you want to do with them.

Having the enemy list that way was meant to make it easy to tell which mob is which, but if y'all would rather have that as a text-only table alongside the treasure chests, and have the enemy gallery like the way it's done on the KHWiki, that could work too. As far as the Eggs and Pretenders, I was thinking we could add those using a marker similar to the Target enemy marker, to illustrate that it is a variable enemy. I was figuring those images could go into a gallery illustrating the map for each mission. I'll whip one up for Mission 1, so you can see what I mean, but if they end up only being useful on KHWiki, that's fine too. I kind of had a hope we could make an "atlas" for each world, with thumbnails of each map along with some subway map-style lines showing how each room connects, but I'm not entirely sure if that would actually be useful, and lord knows I'm not good enough with color gradients to do a good-looking version on my own. Sorry I'm not pulling enough of the weight, I'm just...really, really excited about this project, and want to contribute in the ways I'm actually able. EDIT: Also, we need the "collapsible" table class added. Probably "sortable", too. Might be a good idea to have a main Medal list, going over the same stats the notices had about the second medal set, so that people can find the medal they're looking for quickly. Probably don't need anything too detailed about how to obtain the medals beyond "Farmable", "Event Medal", "Coliseum/Special/Event Board", "Draw", etc.


Edited by InperialManse, 26 April 2016 - 09:47 PM.


#35 InperialManse

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Posted 27 April 2016 - 08:11 PM

http://www.khunchain...ion_1:_Prologue I've made every change I can think to -- if someone with information about the JP version wants to come in and absolutely verify what stuff is identical cross-version (and I know y'all have already gone over it but I didn't really understand it clearly), we can simplify the template. Otherwise, I'd like a final input on what people like and what they don't like, so we can go forward propagating this.



#36 Rachel Viniar (crystallized)

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Posted 30 April 2016 - 06:18 PM

Any thoughts on having the number of each material available in the level in the info box, rather than just a list? Also, thoughts on adding the level of each mob within the enemy groups, and possibly an icon indicating their type as well? I'm new to this game but have done extensive work on other game wikis, and having as much information as humanly possible always seems to come in handy at some point down the road.

#37 Katie Armstrong

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Posted 01 May 2016 - 05:51 PM

That sounds like good info to have. I've got members of my party trying to gather as much of that info as we can, but right now all I have is raw data.



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Posted 02 May 2016 - 04:36 AM

Ahhh I can't believe I'm just seeing this post now. ​Anywho, I have two requests, both @http://www.khunchain...ki/Title_Banner ​A) May I change it from alphabetical to categorical? I strongly believe it to be both visually and functionally superior. ​ ​B) May I write each title in plain text beside/under each image of the title? This would help with people trying to find a specific title, through both the search toolbar as well as the search function (CTRL+F) on the page itself. ​I would have done so already but I didn't want to step on anyone's toes, so to speak.



#39 InperialManse

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Posted 02 May 2016 - 09:50 AM

Ahhh I can't believe I'm just seeing this post now.

​Anywho, I have two requests, both @http://www.khunchain...ki/Title_Banner

​A) May I change it from alphabetical to categorical? I strongly believe it to be both visually and functionally superior.

​B) May I write each title in plain text beside/under each image of the title? This would help with people trying to find a specific title, through both the search toolbar as well as the search function (CTRL+F) on the page itself.

​I would have done so already but I didn't want to step on anyone's toes, so to speak.

1) Def agree.
2) Alternate suggestion: http://www.khunchain...lk:Title_Banner . This format would be immensely benefitted by the "sortable" table class, which it looks like has been implemented.
3) Can we also rename the page to "Titles"?
4) Can we add "special characters" to the edit page? I don't remember which MediaWiki page controls it, but on KHWiki we have these characters under every edit window so that you can add non-keyboard characters easily:
 

Insert: ° ± × ÷ · § Sign your username: ~~~~

Wiki markup: {{}} | [] [[]] [[Category:]] #REDIRECT [[]] <s></s> <sup></sup> <sub></sub> <code></code> <blockquote></blockquote> <ref></ref> {{Reflist}} <references/> <includeonly></includeonly> <noinclude></noinclude> {{DEFAULTSORT:}} <nowiki></nowiki> <!-- --> <span class="plainlinks"></span>
Symbols: ~ | ¡ ¿ # ¹ ² ³ ½ ¼ ¾ «» ¤ ฿ ¢ $ ƒ £ ¥
Kingdom Hearts Special Characters: é ï χ

 

The male and female symbols ♂ and ♀ would also be helpful for the avatar board pages.



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Posted 02 May 2016 - 11:25 AM

That's Mediawiki:Edittools (http://www.khwiki.co...aWiki:Edittools)