Another 13 SoD Thread

[alexaxel 16]

Well, maybe it's a foreshadowing. Like, this could be the 6th Foretellers keyblade.

 

If you think about it, Sora's Oblivion and Oathkeeper weren't canon, but it was foreshadowing for Roxas who has them and they are canon.

I think its all but been confirmed that Master Xehanorts goat dark keyblade is the 6th foreteller's keyblade passed down to him.

 

How were Oathkeeper and Oblivion not canon?

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

Well, maybe it's a foreshadowing. Like, this could be the 6th Foretellers keyblade.

 

If you think about it, Sora's Oblivion and Oathkeeper weren't canon, but it was foreshadowing for Roxas who has them and they are canon.

They are canon, everything is. That's what I said, all keychains, Drive forms, and gameplay elements are canon.Whether you get them from a world, minigame or chest, they are canon.

Again, All. Keychains. Are. Canon.

Edited February 10, 2015 by Isamu_Kuno

[Sorarocks93 678]

I think its all but been confirmed that Master Xehanorts goat dark keyblade is the 6th foreteller's keyblade passed down to him.

 

How were Oathkeeper and Oblivion not canon?

The same way any other keyblade that Sora has wielded except the Star Seeker isn't canon.

They are canon, everything is. That's what I said, all keychains, Drive forms, and gameplay elements are canon.Whether you get them from a world, minigame or chest, they are canon.

Again, All. Keychains. Are. Canon.

So, wait, what?

 

But, why does it keep changing to the KK then everytime a new game starts?

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

The same way any other keyblade that Sora has wielded except the Star Seeker isn't canon.

So, wait, what?

 

But, why does it keep changing to the KK then everytime a new game starts?

The same reason he has to level up all over again every time. Nomura needs a way to make us work for them. Plus KK is the default form.

 

There's nothing officially stated, but a popular theory (yeah, i know it's not official but I'm going to say it anyway so take it with a grain of salt) is that Keychains aren't physical items and are actually representative of memories, Nomura did say that Oathkeeper represents Sora's memories of Kairi and Oblivion his memories of Riku (which make sense when you consider the timing we get them in both KH1 and 2) So if Sora's memories get messed with it make sense that the keychains disappear.

 

There's still a lot we don't know about the Keyblade, how they are forged and what exactly keychains are chief among them. 

Edited February 10, 2015 by Isamu_Kuno

[alexaxel 16]

The same way any other keyblade that Sora has wielded except the Star Seeker isn't canon.

So, wait, what?

 

But, why does it keep changing to the KK then everytime a new game starts?

I wouldnt say they arent canon. I mean they are used to upgrade power in the games but the keychains used were given and that did happen. It's still Sora's basic keyblade underneath, the keychains just alter its appearance. More specifically though(since i just played through KHFM to get some achievements today) the Oathkeeper keychain was given to Sora by Kairi in a cutscene.

[Sorarocks93 678]

The same reason he has to level up all over again every time. Nomura needs a way to make us work for them.

Oman this makes everything so much more confusing.

 

Well...canon aside, this doesn't mean that it couldn't be the 6th Foretellers Keyblade. I mean, it's not just a random keychain with the eye. It can't be. Not when it's connected so much with the Foretellers.

Edited February 10, 2015 by Sorarocks93

[alexaxel 16]

Oman this makes everything so much more confusing.

 

Well...canon aside, this doesn't mean that it couldn't be the 6th Foretellers Keyblade. I mean, it's not just a random keychain with the eye. It can't be. Not when it's connected so much with the Foretellers.

Theres no way it is their keyblade BUT with all the new true Organization members running around in the realm of sleep it isn't too outragious to say they dont drop something personal that gets picked up and used as a keychain. I do agree that this keychain being a dark eye does make it more confusing than it needs to be..

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

Oman this makes everything so much more confusing.

 

Well...canon aside, this doesn't mean that it couldn't be the 6th Foretellers Keyblade. I mean, it's not just a random keychain with the eye. It can't be. Not when it's connected so much with the Foretellers.

I;m not saying there isn't a significance to the Eye of Darkness, just that not everyone who gets one ends up a vessel.

[outbackjim21 83]

They could bring Braig from BBS into the present so there you go Braig and Xigbar together

Actually, looks like they already have from the new Re:coded scene

 

I don't think so, nomura stated the positions of the seat in "where nothing gathers" is a strong clue as to who the true members will be, and xigbar has always been on the lowest levels of the seats, and there wasn't anyone sitting close to him in terms of height during 3d, so i don't think there would be two versions of him, especially one who would have done even less missions than the nobody version.

[alexaxel 16]

Going back to the main topic of the thread I just want to say i like your list but id tweak a few things. My list pretty much goes like this:

 

• Master Xehanort
• Middle Aged Xehanort(Keyblade Armor)
• Young Xehanort
• Terra-Xehanort
• Ansem SoD
• Xemnas
• Braig
• Isa
• Vanitas
• Replica/Data Riku*
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*Just because of that scene in DDD that i cant explain. I dont know which it would be and not sure it could be Ansem SoD just taking the form of Riku as he first took control.

[outbackjim21 83]

The thing about KH is, everything in the games, including gameplay and post game is canon.

We see Unknown (Xemnas) In flashbacks in KH2, We see Lingerign will in the opening of BbS, and we see Sora using Three Wishes in a flashback during Days. Though, that one doesn't make sense because he was using it to seal the Agrabah keyhole, yet in the first game he only got it afterwards but w/e, they must have put it tn there for a reason.

And TAV get No Name

Not End of Pain.

The fight with mysterious figure and lingering will are stated to be within canon, its not clear what nomura means, either the fights are schrodingers cat and that they may or may not have happened until a character affirms that the fight did happen in another game( such as with xemnas in KH:FM) or if the fight did happen, but not in the capacity that was presented to us. Such as how maybe only terra was the one to fight MF and not ventus and aqua. Either way with the fights being within canon, its up to nomura to decide what elements of that fight to be used and which to be left out i suppose.

Going back to the main topic of the thread I just want to say i like your list but id tweak a few things. My list pretty much goes like this:

 

 

[*]Master Xehanort

[*]Middle Aged Xehanort(Keyblade Armor)

[*]Young Xehanort

[*]Terra-Xehanort

[*]Ansem SoD

[*]Xemnas

[*]Braig

[*]Isa

[*]Vanitas

[*]Replica/Data Riku*

[*] 

[*] 

[*] 

*Just because of that scene in DDD that i cant explain. I dont know which it would be and not sure it could be Ansem SoD just taking the form of Riku as he first took control.

Im going to add to this list and say even and dilan, only because they were the only ones who were still in critical condition during 3d and that they are close to the ideology of xehanort, especially Even and his lust for knowledge

[alexaxel 16]

The fight with mysterious figure and lingering will are stated to be within canon, its not clear what nomura means, either the fights are schrodingers cat and that they may or may not have happened until a character affirms that the fight did happen in another game( such as with xemnas in KH:FM) or if the fight did happen, but not in the capacity that was presented to us. Such as how maybe only terra was the one to fight MF and not ventus and aqua. Either way with the fights being within canon, its up to nomura to decide what elements of that fight to be used and which to be left out i suppose.Im going to add to this list and say even and dilan, only because they were the only ones who were still in critical condition during 3d and that they are close to the ideology of xehanort, especially Even and his lust for knowledge

I forgot that..i might add them as well. Im just not sure since they are still found in the room afterward while the one they took disappears and goes to the meeting of the other xehanorts. That would complete my list pretty much since there is no 13th yet. I wish Ienzo could be counted just because of his hair and the fact he was being groomed by Xemnas himself but that wouldn't work anymore.

Edited February 10, 2015 by alexaxel

[Isamu Kuno 2,512]

The fight with mysterious figure and lingering will are stated to be within canon, its not clear what nomura means, either the fights are schrodingers cat and that they may or may not have happened until a character affirms that the fight did happen in another game( such as with xemnas in KH:FM) or if the fight did happen, but not in the capacity that was presented to us. Such as how maybe only terra was the one to fight MF and not ventus and aqua. Either way with the fights being within canon, its up to nomura to decide what elements of that fight to be used and which to be left out i suppose.Im going to add to this list and say even and dilan, only because they were the only ones who were still in critical condition during 3d and that they are close to the ideology of xehanort, especially Even and his lust for knowledge

If only one character fought him, I'm going to say it's Ven because I think I remember Nomura saying that the fight happened "At time of the save point in Land of Departure"

Edited February 10, 2015 by Isamu_Kuno

[Robbie the Wise 5,050]

1. Master Xehanort2. Ansem3. Xemnas4. Xigbar5. Siax6. Young Xehanort7. Xaldin8. Vexen9. Vulpeus10. Anguis11. Ursus12. Leopardis13. ???

The fight with mysterious figure and lingering will are stated to be within canon, its not clear what nomura means, either the fights are schrodingers cat and that they may or may not have happened until a character affirms that the fight did happen in another game( such as with xemnas in KH:FM) or if the fight did happen, but not in the capacity that was presented to us. Such as how maybe only terra was the one to fight MF and not ventus and aqua. Either way with the fights being within canon, its up to nomura to decide what elements of that fight to be used and which to be left out i suppose.Im going to add to this list and say even and dilan, only because they were the only ones who were still in critical condition during 3d and that they are close to the ideology of xehanort, especially Even and his lust for knowledge

Actually Ventus is probably the only canon one to fight Young Xehanort. Terra and Aqua immediately left for the Keyblade Graveyard after Eraqus's death whilst Ventus was last to arrive. Edited February 10, 2015 by devereauxr

[KH4Real 749]

Mayby a FF and a Disney character will join. Thinking of Noctis.

[Guest]

Here's my predictions for the thirteen seekers of darkness

 

1. Master Xehanort ---> Middle Aged Xehanort (Transferring his will to the strongest version of himself to ensure victory)

2. Young Master Xehanort

3. Terranort
4. Ansem
5. Xemnas
6. Xigbar
7. Saix
8. Unicornis
9. Vulpeus

10. Anguis
11. Ursus
12. Leopardis
13. Vanitas

[Master Eraqus 1,340]

I think Master Xehanort is the one from the past. I don't really understand how the heartless and nobody of Terra-Xehanort being destroyed would bring Xehanort back as his old self and not the person he was before the split who we have not seen yet. I believe we've only seen him when he was still newly formed and some time later as the apprentice but not as he currently looked in the timeline before the split.(Maybe he'd just look like Ansem SoD but less dark toned or something.)

Well, there is this theory that with the destruction of Ansem SOD and Xemnas, Terra-Xehanort returned, BUT Xehanort changed the form of the body to make it look like old man Master Xehanort. I mean, we've already seen something like this: Ansem SOD was just brown robe, but he possessed Riku's body and manipulated the physical appearance to look like Xehanort in his thirties. Remember, at the end of KH1, Sora is technically fighting Riku's body.

Edited May 26, 2015 by Master Eraqus

[alexaxel 16]

Well, there is this theory that with the destruction of Ansem SOD and Xemnas, Terra-Xehanort returned, BUT Xehanort changed the form of the body to make it look like old man Master Xehanort. I mean, we've already seen something like this: Ansem SOD was just brown robe, but he possessed Riku's body and manipulated the physical appearance to look like Xehanort in his thirties. Remember, at the end of KH1, Sora is technically fighting Riku's body.

Thats true. Ive also changed my opinion since then because of that quote from Nomura about it. I kind of understand how it could also just be that after the destruction of both Nobody/Heartless it would justt put everything back in balance and split the hearts all over again to their original forms.

[Smithee 326]

Well, there is this theory that with the destruction of Ansem SOD and Xemnas, Terra-Xehanort returned, BUT Xehanort changed the form of the body to make it look like old man Master Xehanort. I mean, we've already seen something like this: Ansem SOD was just brown robe, but he possessed Riku's body and manipulated the physical appearance to look like Xehanort in his thirties. Remember, at the end of KH1, Sora is technically fighting Riku's body.

 

Yes, but ASOD had to eject Riku's Heart first, meaning MX would've had to do the same with Terra's and Eraqus's Hearts first.

Edited June 5, 2015 by Alan Smithee

[Master Eraqus 1,340]

Yes, but ASOD had to eject Riku's Heart first, meaning MX would've had to do the same with Terra's and Eraqus's Hearts first.

Who said Ansem SOD ejected Riku's heart? When/Where was this stated?

[Smithee 326]

Who said Ansem SOD ejected Riku's heart? When/Where was this stated?

 

Jiminy's Journal repeatedly states it, and Mickey explicitly says Riku kept his Heart but lost his Body.

[Master Eraqus 1,340]

Jiminy's Journal repeatedly states it, and Mickey explicitly says Riku kept his Heart but lost his Body.

Ok, I believe you. Thanks for bringing that up. Remind me if you don't mind, Riku's heart ended up in the realm of Darkness correct?