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[Flaming Lea]

XaonSchock is trying to say that if Sora became a vessel then Sora cannot be one of the lights, Ven's heart would have to stay inside of Sora so Ven would not wake. Basically,when MX says Mickey is missing 3 on the list, he means he is missing the unknown guardian of light, Sora, and Ven since Ven will not wake if Sora becomes a Darkness. Also, why wouldn't MX know about Vens heart if YMX, and Xemnas knows. It all makes since actually and could be true.

No hes saying that MX is refering to Ven being one of the two lights now belonging to him that Mickey listed instead of it being TERRA..THIS THREAD IS ABOUT WHETHER MX SAID IT WAS TERRA OR VEN THAT IS THE DARKNESS ... It hasnt been confirmed MX ever knew Vens fate after Vanitas' defeat. Xemnas and YMX were never mentioed to either . You are assuming .Also how the heck is ven gonna be a darkness when they have no body for him ??? Have you actually been reading these posts ?

Edited by Flaming Lea, 16 August 2012 - 06:01 PM.

[Megaman X]

XaonSchock is trying to say that if Sora became a vessel then Sora cannot be one of the lights, Ven's heart would have to stay inside of Sora so Ven would not wake. Basically,when MX says Mickey is missing 3 on the list, he means he is missing the unknown guardian of light, Sora, and Ven since Ven will not wake if Sora becomes a Darkness. Also, why wouldn't MX know about Vens heart if YMX, and Xemnas knows. It all makes since actually and could be true.

Yes this is what I mean. Thank you.

No hes saying that MX is refering to Ven being one of the two lights now belonging to him that Mickey listed instead of it being TERRA..THIS THREAD IS ABOUT WHETHER MX SAID IT WAS TERRA OR VEN THAT IS THE DARKNESS ... IT hasnt been confirmed MX EVER knew Vens fate after Vanitas' defeat. Xemnas and YMX were never mentioed to either . You are assuming .Also how the heck is ven gonna be a darkness when they have NO BODY for him ??? Have you actually been reading these posts ?

No, I have not once said Ven is a darkness. It's not that far fetched to believe that Master Xehanort knows about Ven. I mean he knows a lot of things and set up this huge off the wall plan. I think he has been reading them because he gets what I am saying .

[Flaming Lea]

Yes this is what I mean. Thank you.



No, I have not once said Ven is a darkness. It's not that far fetched to believe that Master Xehanort knows about Ven. I mean he knows a lot of things and set up this huge off the wall plan. I think he has been reading them because he gets what I am saying http://kh13.com/forum/public/style_emoti....

Did you not say that you think Terra ISNT a darkness ? Yes or no ..You straight up say this in your opening post . Then you say your reasoning for this is its VEN hes talking about ..YES OR NO ? Do you not realize by saying that MX is talking about Ven you are saying Mx has him for a darkness bc MX is saying two lights are now on his side aka as a darkness...

Edited by Flaming Lea, 16 August 2012 - 04:50 PM.

[terraxaqua34]

Yes this is what I mean. Thank you.



No, I have not once said Ven is a darkness. It's not that far fetched to believe that Master Xehanort knows about Ven. I mean he knows a lot of things and set up this huge off the wall plan. I think he has been reading them because he gets what I am saying http://kh13.com/forum/public/style_emoti....

MX doesn't know about Ven's heart being inside Sora. He nevered found out about what happened to Ven since he was fighting Terra's armor. He only knew what happened to Aqua and Terra.

[Megaman X]

Did you not say that you think Terra ISNT a darkness ? Yes or no ..You straight up say this in your opening post . Then you say your reasoning for this is its VEN hes talking about ..YES OR NO ?

Yes I said that I don't think Terra is one of the 13 darknesses. Yes I did say it's because I think he is refering to Ven. BUT I am not saying Ven is one of the 13 Darknesses. What I am saying is that the guardians will be missing a light.

MX doesn't know about Ven's heart being inside Sora. He nevered found out about what happened to Ven since he was fighting Terra's armor. He only knew what happened to Aqua and Terra.

That is true. From what we have seen. But he could have found out off screen. There is a 10 year gap between BBS and KH. That's why I am just speculating. I'm not saying it's a fact. Just an interesting theory that has a possiblility of being valid.

[terraxaqua34]

Yes I said that I don't think Terra is one of the 13 darknesses. Yes I did say it's because I think he is refering to Ven. BUT I am not saying Ven is one of the 13 Darknesses. What I am saying is that the guardians will be missing a light.



That is true. From what we have seen. But he could have found out off screen. There is a 10 year gap between BBS and KH. That's why I am just speculating. I'm not saying it's a fact. Just an interesting theory that has a possiblility of being valid. http://kh13.com/forum/public/style_emoti...

There was no way Terranort could have found out. If you played and watched BBS then you'll know that he losted his memories after he fought Aqua. He then started remembering at some point and turned himself and the others to heartless and nobodies.

[Flaming Lea]

Yes I said that I don't think Terra is one of the 13 darknesses. Yes I did say it's because I think he is refering to Ven. BUT I am not saying Ven is one of the 13 Darknesses. What I am saying is that the guardians will be missing a light.

Then NO that person isnt getting what you were saying then .Read what i said . MX said that two lights now BELONGED TO HIM ON HIS SIDE -- the darknesses.. All 12 of the rest were there making Sora the 13. He was saying his side = darknesses. So if he says those two are now belonging to his side they are darknesses ( sora an attempted one at that point ) . . Explain to us also how terra could not be a darkness but be in MX's heart bc that makes no sense . AX/ MX never found out Vens fate and its never been said that he did . So you cant say this as evidence as it never happened .

There was no way Terranort could have found out. If you played and watched BBS then you'll know that he losted his memories after he fought Aqua. He then started remembering at some point and turned himself and the others to heartless and nobodies.

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Edited by Flaming Lea, 20 August 2012 - 12:41 PM.

[Megaman X]

There was no way Terranort could have found out. If you played and watched BBS then you'll know that he losted his memories after he fought Aqua. He then started remembering at some point and turned himself and the others to heartless and nobodies.

I've played every single game at least 3 times. and watched all the cutscences numours times. There was a short time between when Terranort was formed and when aqua found him. Maybe he found out there but there isn't much time inbetween. Then theres the time xemnas was running around. Nomura has said that xemnas could have some of terras memories. So it's not that far fetched to say Terra reacted to seeing Sora and saw Ven the same way Ven reacted to seeing young Xehanort when he saw Vanitas. Than there is the time between kh2 and DDD and during DDD.

[SnowpointQuincy]

The youngest version of MX still looks like Terra. So, all of his time-clones are terra-norts, or his original young body looked exactly like Terra by coincidence.

[terraxaqua34]

I've played every single game at least 3 times. and watched all the cutscences numours times. There was a short time between when Terranort was formed and when aqua found him. Maybe he found out there but there isn't much time inbetween. Then theres the time xemnas was running around. Nomura has said that xemnas could have some of terras memories. So it's not that far fetched to say Terra reacted to seeing Sora and saw Ven the same way Ven reacted to seeing young Xehanort when he saw Vanitas. Than there is the time between kh2 and DDD and during DDD.

Um, he was in Hollow Bastion just standing there and he didn't even know who he even. Xemnas was trying to find the chamber since Terra wanted to be with Ven again. Plus, the only part that does not belong to Xehanort is Terra's mind and will which is trapped in his armor in the Keyblade Graveyard.

[Flaming Lea]

I've played every single game at least 3 times. and watched all the cutscences numours times. There was a short time between when Terranort was formed and when aqua found him. Maybe he found out there but there isn't much time inbetween. Then theres the time xemnas was running around. Nomura has said that xemnas could have some of terras memories. So it's not that far fetched to say Terra reacted to seeing Sora and saw Ven the same way Ven reacted to seeing young Xehanort when he saw Vanitas. Than there is the time between kh2 and DDD and during DDD.

Right after Ven defeated Vanitas Aqua hid ven there was no time for Terranort to find ven .She went straight from hiding him to finding Terranort then fighting him .So no this isnt plausible..Also He never found Ven in CO either when he was Xemnas

Edited by Flaming Lea, 16 August 2012 - 05:33 PM.

[Megaman X]

Then NO that person isnt getting what you were saying then .. Read what he said .Also read what i said . MX said that two lights now BELONGED TO HIM ON HIS SIDE -- the darknesses.. All 12 of the rest were there making Sora the 13. He was saying his side = darknesses. So if he says those two are now belonging to his side they are darknesses ( sora an attempted one at that point ) ..READ WHAT PEOPLE ARE TYPING TO YOU . Explain to us also how TERRA could not be a darkness but be in MX's heart bc that makes no sense . AX/ MX NEVER found out Vens fate and its never been said that he did . So you cant say this as evidence as it never happened .




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I have been reading. I just read what he said 3 times over to make sure he gets what I mean and he does. Yes Master Xehanort did say they belong to him (The Darkness). But that doesn't exactly mean one of them is the 13. Just that Xehanort owns that bitch.
I dont think Terra is one of the 13 darknesses because hes either not there or in master xehanort. so by that i mean one of the other 11 cloacked dudes

[Flaming Lea]

I have been reading. I just read what he said 3 times over to make sure he gets what I mean and he does. Yes Master Xehanort did say they belong to him (The Darkness). But that doesn't exactly mean one of them is the 13. Just that Xehanort owns that bitch.
I dont think Terra is one of the 13 darknesses because hes either not there or in master xehanort. so by that i mean one of the other 11 cloacked dudes

But when hes saying they belong to him he IS saying they are darknesses .Thats what you arent getting . MX is a darkness and all the other cloaked figures were darknesses ...And If Terra is in MX hes a darkness since MX is a darkness..Also since we cant see/ know who the hooded members are you also cant say hes not there. And on top of everything else you are fabricating times when he couldve known Vens fate when its never been mentioned since except Xemnas couldnt find his body..Also since the revival rule states when a nobody and heartless are slain the original person is revived Terra needs to have been revived in his body which was CONFIRMED to have been ruled by MX bc MX had control of AX..Meaning his heart was able to consume Terras and take control thus his appearance as an old man in Terras body ..In other words , since the heart shapes the vessel, since MX won control of Terras body he will still look like MX but be inside Terras body.

[Megaman X]

But when hes saying they belong to him he IS saying they are darknesses .Thats what you arent getting . MX is a darkness and all the other cloaked figures were darknesses ...And If Terra is in MX hes a darkness since MX is a darkness..Also since we cant see/ know who the hooded members are you also cant say hes not there. And on top of everything else you are fabricating times when he couldve known Vens fate when its never been mentioned since except Xemnas couldnt find his body..Also since the revival rule states when a nobody and heartless are slain the original person is revived Terra needs to have been revived in his body which was CONFIRMED to have been ruled by MX bc MX had control of AX..Meaning his heart was able to consume Terras and take control thus his appearance as an old man in Terras body ..In other words , since the heart shapes the vessel, since MX won control of Terras body he will still look like MX but be inside Terras body.

I get it. It's same thing I think. for the most part. I just like to think of other things. Outside of the box.

[Flaming Lea]

I get it. It's same thing I think. for the most part. I just like to think of other things. Outside of the box.

Theres nothing wrong with that I just want you to understand that when MX and Mickey were talking they were refering to two sides - the lights and the darknesses therefore when MX says they are on his side he is saying they are darknesses..

[esumsoraroxas]

Well, I think Terra is a Light, but, we'll just have to wait for confirmation in KH3.

[Zenithia]

I doubt this Sora was already the back up, for the back up why would MX pretend he was the thirteenth vessel that makes no sense he was already running low on options which is why he picked Sora. Also the reason why Master Xehanort was so calm when his friends came to help was because he was positive that Sora was going to be implanted. He made a point of showing this by saying that Sora was already on his side and that was even before he even attempted to implant him.

tutti frutti. MX mentioned himself that he had many roads to take when talking to Terra after he had been able to take over his body in the Secret Ending. I more so believe that should something go wrong in his plans, more so since YMX, at the very least, was well aware that Sora and Riku were taking the MoM exam in the realm of dreams. Plus, by MX wanting to take over Sora, it would keep Riku, Yen Sid and the rest on edge to help make sure that it doesn't happen. During that first attempt, something in the background could very well be going on since virtually the entire group, minus Yen Sid, went in the help Sora. Though MX could say that Sora is his target as the thirteenth member to his group, but that could very well be something to make Mickey and the others believe that Sora is the target, which he could not be. Villains will use deception, misleading and lies, among other things, to reach their goal. And to pretend Sora is a vessel - "deception, mislead and lie" - some of the things villains to steer others off course. If MX was really short on options, I strongly doubt that he would be so calm, especially for something that he has worked more than a decade to accomplish.

[KeybladeWielder_]

Well it is going to be Sora, Riku, Mickey, Terra, Ven, Aqua
Secret ending spoiler

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and Kairi

Because Mickey talks about the seven guardians of light and says
Sora Riku Me and 3 lost friends.
3 lost firends being Terra, Ven & Aqua.
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And then Kairi is in on it in the secret ending.

So Terra isn't part of the 13 vessels.
It think in the next game Terra will be rescued from whatever state he is currently in.

Edited by KeybladeWielder_, 19 August 2012 - 02:34 AM.

[devereauxr]

I really can't see this being the case. For starters if MX was using Sora as a distraction then who else in the was Xehanort trying to collect. Number two why gather his 12 selves in the RoS if his true target was elsewhere. Wouldn't it make more sense to send some of his ranks to retrieve the true target. None Sora and co. was aware the the test was a set up the Org counted on that. That stands to reason MX was not luring them there.

[Zenithia]

I really can't see this being the case. For starters if MX was using Sora as a distraction then who else in the was Xehanort trying to collect. Number two why gather his 12 selves in the RoS if his true target was elsewhere. Wouldn't it make more sense to send some of his ranks to retrieve the true target. None Sora and co. was aware the the test was a set up the Org counted on that. That stands to reason MX was not luring them there.

tutti frutti. In a sense, I don't doubt that there is somebody else helping Xehanort in some way. Both Xigbar/Braig and Vanitas helped Xehanort in their own ways. Assuming the possibility that Vanitas has returned, and isn't among the group, for example, he could be tasked with doing outside work of some sort. MX seems to have a knack for using people as needed. I just find it crazy that unless for some major reason he used the realm of sleep for his own reasons, he would seem to know roughly the time that Sora and Riku would know when they were taking the MoM exam. Xehanort did mention that he use Maleficent to look for the Princess of Heart for him, to which now he knows who they are and more than likely knows the home world that they are in. If some of the 12 members were missing, all while Xehanort would tell them that he is almost done, that would more so be giving his opponents a chance to stop him. The only way that I can see this is if, outside of MX, Isa, Braig/Xigbar, Ansem SoD, and Xemnas, the other hooded members of the were merely projections into the realm of sleep. YMX did mention the time travel, which is possible that being able to do that allowed him to find out who they needed as the 13th member. We can't really say if YMX, or any other form of Xehanort, bent the rules in some way themselves in order to better further their goals.