KH3D [Spoiler] WHY

[Dio Brando 5,810]

since the ending of KH 3D I keep hearing fans talking about two things in sora & roxas that really pisses me off

 

1WHY do people keep saying that if sora releases ven's heart that he will lose the ability to wield the keyblade.......have you forgotten that sora can dual-wield because of his heart and ven's....that means sora is already a wielder of the keyblade.......................man that doesn't make any sense.....the only time I think sora was'nt a wielder was the period after he got the kingdom key until he lost it to riku in hollow bastion in KH1

 

2Why do people keep saying that roxas is ventus...........REALLY.....nomura himself said that they are seperate beings and the only reason why roxas has some of ven's look is because of ven's heart being inside sora when roxas was born...........also....if roxas is ven why he keeps remembering sora's memories instead of his own ....also ven's body is still in castle oblivion....ventus can't have two bodies at the same time since he can't start a cloning process like xehanort.....also since xemnas knows about ventus.......why he didn't add the X on ven's name instead of sora's......also ... if roxas is ven why xemnas even bothered searching every nook and cranny in castle oblivion to find the frickin room of sleep........finally....I can spot soooooo many differences in appearance between the two especially in the facial structure ,clothing and body built....take a sharp look please

 

http://2.bp.blogspot...600/Roxas-2.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot...er_ventus_t.png

 

finally(oh great there's more LoL) KH 3D itself confirmed that they are seperate beings and xemnas said that a nobody can form his own heart after a while....(like Roxas,Axel,Namine) and any who saw the scene before xemnas's battle in KH 3D will know what I'm talking about

 

 

So

what do you think I could be right

or you think that I lost my mind LoL

 

any way I'm not trolling anyone...I'm just analyzing what I've understand from the story so far

 

also......I hope I didn't post this in the wrong section

Edited May 1, 2012 by Metal Snake

[AnHeiressofaSOLDIER 358]

since the ending of KH 3D I keep hearing fans talking about two things in sora & roxas that really pisses me off

 

1WHY do people keep saying that if sora releases ven's heart that he will lose the ability to wield the keyblade.......have you forgotten that sora can dual-wield because of his heart and ven's....that means sora is already a wielder of the keyblade.......................man that doesn't make any sense.....the only time I think sora was'nt a wielder was the period after he got the kingdom key until he lost it to riku in hollow bastion in KH1

 

2Why do people keep saying that roxas is ventus...........REALLY.....nomura himself said that they are seperate beings and the only reason why roxas has some of ven's look is because of ven's heart being inside sora when roxas was born...........also....if roxas is ven why he keeps remembering sora's memories instead of his own ....also ven's body is still in castle oblivion....ventus can't have two bodies at the same time since he can't start a cloning process like xehanort.....also since xemnas knows about ventus.......why he didn't add the X on ven's name instead of sora's......also ... if roxas is ven why xemnas even bothered searching every nook and cranny in castle oblivion to find the frickin room of sleep........finally....I can spot soooooo many differences in appearance between the two especially in the facial structure ,clothing and body built....take a sharp look please

 

http://2.bp.blogspot...600/Roxas-2.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot...er_ventus_t.png

 

finally(oh great there's more LoL) KH 3D itself confirmed that they are seperate beings and xemnas said that a nobody can form his own heart after a while....(like Roxas,Axel,Namine) and any who saw the scene before xemnas's battle in KH 3D will know what I'm talking about

 

 

So

what do you think I could be right

or you think that I lost my mind LoL

 

any way I'm not trolling anyone...I'm just analyzing what I've understand from the story so far

 

also......I hope I didn't post this in the wrong section

 

1. You are correct. Another example is how when Roxas is created, he has Ven's heart for a good while. All of the time Sora is without Roxas, he's still able to wield. Even without Ven's heart. And Nomura has specified in interviews that Sora's connection to Ven gave him a Keyblade early, but he would have gotten one himself later on without Ven's help.

 

2. People that think that are just ignorant, really. Either they haven't played all the games, don't pay attention to what the games are telling them, or just want to see it that way. But really I can't see how people that know the story can think Ven and Roxas are the same. There's so, so much that goes against that!

Edited May 1, 2012 by DenizenofTwilight

[animemylove 439]

I agree with you, it's stuff that's already pretty much confirmed anyway so idk how they got those ideas.

[sorariku17 37]

what confuses me is........now that roxas has a heart.....and can wield a keyblade.......does that mean once roxas is freed in sora's heart, sora can wield 3 keyblades?

as he has vens, his own, AND if roxas really does have a heart that would mean roxas should have a extra keyblade , i don't see roxas becoming a physical form, as i highly doubt 2 ven/roxas looking characters would be together....it would kinda be weird. but i do see roxas becoming aid at a point (hence third keyblade lol), oh, btw i think sora can still duel wield when he gives vens heart back, due to roxa's keyblade/heart .

[AnHeiressofaSOLDIER 358]

what confuses me is........now that roxas has a heart.....and can wield a keyblade.......does that mean once roxas is freed in sora's heart, sora can wield 3 keyblades?

as he has vens, his own, AND if roxas really does have a heart that would mean roxas should have a extra keyblade , i don't see roxas becoming a physical form, as i highly doubt 2 ven/roxas looking characters would be together....it would kinda be weird. but i do see roxas becoming aid at a point (hence third keyblade lol), oh, btw i think sora can still duel wield when he gives vens heart back, due to roxa's keyblade/heart .

 

Suddenly I'm reminded of how Sora could triple wield for a bit when he fought Roxas in KH2FM...

[P50L 610]

Suddenly I'm reminded of how Sora could triple wield for a bit when he fought Roxas in KH2FM...

 

what confuses me is........now that roxas has a heart.....and can wield a keyblade.......does that mean once roxas is freed in sora's heart, sora can wield 3 keyblades?

as he has vens, his own, AND if roxas really does have a heart that would mean roxas should have a extra keyblade , i don't see roxas becoming a physical form, as i highly doubt 2 ven/roxas looking characters would be together....it would kinda be weird. but i do see roxas becoming aid at a point (hence third keyblade lol), oh, btw i think sora can still duel wield when he gives vens heart back, due to roxa's keyblade/heart .

 

>Triple Wielding.

 

Final Form v.2: 2 Keyblades floating behind him while he wields one in his hands. Triple wield.

[Dio Brando 5,810]

yes....when he fought Roxas in KH2 final mix....he wielded three keyblades at once......his own and roxas's oathkeeper & Oblivion for a alittle while..

[replika13 455]

yeah those peoples are pretty dumb

[Karysonson 41]

since the ending of KH 3D I keep hearing fans talking about two things in sora & roxas that really pisses me off

 

1WHY do people keep saying that if sora releases ven's heart that he will lose the ability to wield the keyblade.......have you forgotten that sora can dual-wield because of his heart and ven's....that means sora is already a wielder of the keyblade.......................man that doesn't make any sense.....the only time I think sora was'nt a wielder was the period after he got the kingdom key until he lost it to riku in hollow bastion in KH1

 

2Why do people keep saying that roxas is ventus...........REALLY.....nomura himself said that they are seperate beings and the only reason why roxas has some of ven's look is because of ven's heart being inside sora when roxas was born...........also....if roxas is ven why he keeps remembering sora's memories instead of his own ....also ven's body is still in castle oblivion....ventus can't have two bodies at the same time since he can't start a cloning process like xehanort.....also since xemnas knows about ventus.......why he didn't add the X on ven's name instead of sora's......also ... if roxas is ven why xemnas even bothered searching every nook and cranny in castle oblivion to find the frickin room of sleep........finally....I can spot soooooo many differences in appearance between the two especially in the facial structure ,clothing and body built....take a sharp look please

 

http://2.bp.blogspot...600/Roxas-2.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot...er_ventus_t.png

 

finally(oh great there's more LoL) KH 3D itself confirmed that they are seperate beings and xemnas said that a nobody can form his own heart after a while....(like Roxas,Axel,Namine) and any who saw the scene before xemnas's battle in KH 3D will know what I'm talking about

 

 

So

what do you think I could be right

or you think that I lost my mind LoL

 

any way I'm not trolling anyone...I'm just analyzing what I've understand from the story so far

 

also......I hope I didn't post this in the wrong section

 

that picture of roxas isnt good since in the final mix of kh2 and kh358/2 days they made his look more accurate but yeah to quote roxas...

"My heart belongs to me,nobody else!"

 

like so

http://images.wikia.com/kingdomhearts/images/c/ce/Roxas_Days_2.png

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_PlEXGYIhN6s/S_DQ5-bZ1-I/AAAAAAAAABo/K3fgJBm6p70/s1600/khbbs_official_render_ventus_t.png

now they look very much alike.

[Dio Brando 5,810]

that picture of roxas isnt good since in the final mix of kh2 and kh358/2 days they made his look more accurate but yeah to quote roxas...

"My heart belongs to me,nobody else!"

 

like so

http://images.wikia....oxas_Days_2.png

http://3.bp.blogspot...er_ventus_t.png

now they look very much alike.

 

well if you ignore the renders and looked in their facial structure in a cutscene......you can spot soo many differences......they may got the same hairstyle but roxas's face and body built looks a lot like sora while ventus has a thiner chindifferent cloth and he's little more thin than roxas......other than the appearance.......it's already confirmed that roxas and ventus are not the same.......hell even xemnas himself proved that

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here is another render

 

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120303135956/kingdomhearts/images/5/5b/Roxas_Days_ArtworkT.PNG

if you give him sora's hairstyle he will look just like sora but with a black coat

Edited May 1, 2012 by Metal Snake

[Rizzyy 736]

1. You are correct. Another example is how when Roxas is created, he has Ven's heart for a good while. All of the time Sora is without Roxas, he's still able to wield. Even without Ven's heart. And Nomura has specified in interviews that Sora's connection to Ven gave him a Keyblade early, but he would have gotten one himself later on without Ven's help.

 

2. People that think that are just ignorant, really. Either they haven't played all the games, don't pay attention to what the games are telling them, or just want to see it that way. But really I can't see how people that know the story can think Ven and Roxas are the same. There's so, so much that goes against that!

 

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[chrissk08 15]

since the ending of KH 3D I keep hearing fans talking about two things in sora & roxas that really pisses me off

 

1WHY do people keep saying that if sora releases ven's heart that he will lose the ability to wield the keyblade.......have you forgotten that sora can dual-wield because of his heart and ven's....that means sora is already a wielder of the keyblade.......................man that doesn't make any sense.....the only time I think sora was'nt a wielder was the period after he got the kingdom key until he lost it to riku in hollow bastion in KH1

 

2Why do people keep saying that roxas is ventus...........REALLY.....nomura himself said that they are seperate beings and the only reason why roxas has some of ven's look is because of ven's heart being inside sora when roxas was born...........also....if roxas is ven why he keeps remembering sora's memories instead of his own ....also ven's body is still in castle oblivion....ventus can't have two bodies at the same time since he can't start a cloning process like xehanort.....also since xemnas knows about ventus.......why he didn't add the X on ven's name instead of sora's......also ... if roxas is ven why xemnas even bothered searching every nook and cranny in castle oblivion to find the frickin room of sleep........finally....I can spot soooooo many differences in appearance between the two especially in the facial structure ,clothing and body built....take a sharp look please

 

http://2.bp.blogspot...600/Roxas-2.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot...er_ventus_t.png

 

finally(oh great there's more LoL) KH 3D itself confirmed that they are seperate beings and xemnas said that a nobody can form his own heart after a while....(like Roxas,Axel,Namine) and any who saw the scene before xemnas's battle in KH 3D will know what I'm talking about

 

 

So

what do you think I could be right

or you think that I lost my mind LoL

 

any way I'm not trolling anyone...I'm just analyzing what I've understand from the story so far

 

also......I hope I didn't post this in the wrong section

 

Technically Sora wouldn't have became a keyblade wielder without Ven residing in his heart, another reason he is the one who has to open the door. And the reason he's the "chosen one" the only person to ever get a keyblade without touching a keyblade. But about everything else, I completely agree.

[Dio Brando 5,810]

Technically Sora wouldn't have became a keyblade wielder without Ven residing in his heart, another reason he is the one who has to open the door. And the reason he's the "chosen one" the only person to ever get a keyblade without touching a keyblade. But about everything else, I completely agree.

 

As I said in the topic.....the only period where sora was wielding one because of ven's hearts is when he got the kingdom key until he lost it to riku in hollow bastion.....after that he became a wielder.....and as you said....he is the chosen one...the who will open the door.......and i will kick the hell out of nomura if he made another one defeat xehanort instead of sora

[Skyace 65 75]

personally i think the reason sora can dual weild isnt because of ven, its because the fairys GAVE sora mickys other keyblade since mickey was useing the one he found in the realm of darkness at that time. dosent mean that it is because sora can weild a keyblad like ven.

 

other stuff i do agree with you on since roxas is clearly not ven

[Dio Brando 5,810]

personally i think the reason sora can dual weild isnt because of ven, its because the fairys GAVE sora mickys other keyblade since mickey was useing the one he found in the realm of darkness at that time. dosent mean that it is because sora can weild a keyblad like ven.

 

other stuff i do agree with you on since roxas is clearly not ven

 

actually I think the three fairies awakened sora's power to dual-wield by giving him his new magical clothes and that yellow orb....if that was really the case mickey could've dual-wield also.....mmmm now that I think of it..... why terranort didn't dual-wield despite he has terra's heart and MX heart......unless terra's heart is inside the lingering will....I don't think strong will is enough to move an armor of steel....it's either terra's heart or soul inside the lingering will.

[chrissk08 15]

As I said in the topic.....the only period where sora was wielding one because of ven's hearts is when he got the kingdom key until he lost it to riku in hollow bastion.....after that he became a wielder.....and as you said....he is the chosen one...the who will open the door.......and i will kick the hell out of nomura if he made another one defeat xehanort instead of sora

 

I wouldn't assume that just yet. Even Braig hinted at it,

 

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[DG20 67]

Technically Sora wouldn't have became a keyblade wielder without Ven residing in his heart, another reason he is the one who has to open the door. And the reason he's the "chosen one" the only person to ever get a keyblade without touching a keyblade. But about everything else, I completely agree.

 

I think Sora's the Unchosen One. The keyblade he received was intended for Riku, his ability to wield came from Ventus, and YMX and Braig have called him average. In other words, he's having difficulty and he has to work twice as hard as the other keyblade weilders, using his strength of heart where everyone else had talent or experience, and he still falls victim MX's plans. I believe Sora will still be able to weild the keyblade if Ven wakes up, but he'll probably need to find something that's unique to him.

[Dio Brando 5,810]

I think Sora's the Unchosen One. The keyblade he received was intended for Riku, his ability to wield came from Ventus, and YMX and Braig have called him average. In other words, he's having difficulty and he has to work twice as hard as the other keyblade weilders, using his strength of heart where everyone else had talent or experience, and he still falls victim MX's plans. I believe Sora will still be able to weild the keyblade if Ven wakes up, but he'll probably need to find something that's unique to him.

 

that doesn't mean he isn't the chosen one.....yeah the kingdom key was intended for riku but that doesn't mean he can't wield another keyblade.....also he used ventus's hearts from the beginning of his journy until he lost the kingdom key to riku in hollow bastion...after that ...he wield his keyblade with his own power without using ven's heart....after that...he used ven's heart only for dual-wield...........sora is the chosen one by kingdom hearts itself since he's the only one who can open the door and free terra,ven,aqua,roxas,xion,namine from their torment......also.....he is the main protagonist of the series so he has to be the chosen one......all other wielders are considered s supporting characters except for riku.....if nomura let another wielder defeats xehanort instead of sora......the story will suck terribley because nomura said millions of time that sora is the hero of the series

Edited May 1, 2012 by Metal Snake

[Skai 3,961]

since the ending of KH 3D I keep hearing fans talking about two things in sora & roxas that really pisses me off

 

1WHY do people keep saying that if sora releases ven's heart that he will lose the ability to wield the keyblade.......have you forgotten that sora can dual-wield because of his heart and ven's....that means sora is already a wielder of the keyblade.......................man that doesn't make any sense.....the only time I think sora was'nt a wielder was the period after he got the kingdom key until he lost it to riku in hollow bastion in KH1

 

2Why do people keep saying that roxas is ventus...........REALLY.....nomura himself said that they are seperate beings and the only reason why roxas has some of ven's look is because of ven's heart being inside sora when roxas was born...........also....if roxas is ven why he keeps remembering sora's memories instead of his own ....also ven's body is still in castle oblivion....ventus can't have two bodies at the same time since he can't start a cloning process like xehanort.....also since xemnas knows about ventus.......why he didn't add the X on ven's name instead of sora's......also ... if roxas is ven why xemnas even bothered searching every nook and cranny in castle oblivion to find the frickin room of sleep........finally....I can spot soooooo many differences in appearance between the two especially in the facial structure ,clothing and body built....take a sharp look please

 

http://2.bp.blogspot...600/Roxas-2.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot...er_ventus_t.png

 

finally(oh great there's more LoL) KH 3D itself confirmed that they are seperate beings and xemnas said that a nobody can form his own heart after a while....(like Roxas,Axel,Namine) and any who saw the scene before xemnas's battle in KH 3D will know what I'm talking about

 

 

So

what do you think I could be right

or you think that I lost my mind LoL

 

any way I'm not trolling anyone...I'm just analyzing what I've understand from the story so far

 

also......I hope I didn't post this in the wrong section

 

Meh, just ignore the ignorants. They'll piece everything together eventually or... they will stay hopelessly confused. It isn't your problem, so don't worry about it. :]

[DG20 67]

that doesn't mean he isn't the chosen one.....yeah the kingdom key was intended for riku but that doesn't mean he can't wield another keyblade.....also he used ventus's hearts from the beginning of his journy until he lost the kingdom key to riku in hollow bastion...after that ...he wield his keyblade with his own power without using ven's heart....after that...he used ven's heart only for dual-wield...........sora is the chosen one by kingdom hearts itself since he's the only one who can open the door and free terra,ven,aqua,roxas,xion,namine from their torment......also.....he is the main protagonist of the series so he has to be the chosen one......all other wielders are considered s supporting characters except for riku.....if nomura let another wielder defeats xehanort instead of sora......the story will suck terribley because nomura said millions of time that sora is the hero of the series

 

It doesn't mean he can't the hero if he's not the chosen one, it just means he's making himself become the hero because he has people he has to protect/save. So when did Kingdom Hearts choose Sora anyways? That voice that was speaking to Sora in the first game has been confirmed to be Mickey...It would have been a lot cooler if it was Kingdom Hearts...

[Dio Brando 5,810]

It doesn't mean he can't the hero if he's not the chosen one, it just means he's making himself become the hero because he has people he has to protect/save. So when did Kingdom Hearts choose Sora anyways? That voice that was speaking to Sora in the first game has been confirmed to be Mickey...It would have been a lot cooler if it was Kingdom Hearts...

 

wasn't the voice that was speaking to him was ansem the wise or maybe ven's hearts according to the KH series Ultimania......anyway........I knoiw it hasn't been confirmed....but sora is by far is the only wielder to get his keyblade without the inhertince ceremony .....I know he used ven's heart in KH1 but he wielded his own later without being chosen by another wielder.....so who do you think has chose sora......it has to be kingdom hearts.....remember the ending of KH1 when sora opened the door of light ultimately defeating Ansem SoD??????.....kingdom hearts didn't purposely respond to any wielder in the series that way......others like xehanort and his forms made a mere attempt to control it......MX summoned it,Ansem SoD tried to open the door to darkness but failed,and Xemnas formed his own artificial one

[sorariku17 37]

>Triple Wielding.

 

Final Form v.2: 2 Keyblades floating behind him while he wields one in his hands. Triple wield.

 

So technically, this proves roxas heart is real lol, and that he can wield 3 keyblade, but this also mean, he will lose it when ven comes back, but meh

[HarLea Quinn 26,501]

This is actually one of my pet peeves on here. People really should know this by now . Nomura confirmed it .Read the interviews people its not hard . Also anybody dumb enough to think Braigs trolling of Sora is proof that Sora isnt a wielder on his own should 1: Read the interviews.2.Consider the source.Braig trolls for a living.Why would he be credible considering DDD is all about trolling/mindfiretrucking Sora ..Really its amazing after all this time people dont get this. Nomura confirmed REGARDLESS of ven Sora was always destined to wield .Ven just sped the process up.

[Dio Brando 5,810]

So technically, this proves roxas heart is real lol, and that he can wield 3 keyblade, but this also mean, he will lose it when ven comes back, but meh

 

well that's pretty much what xemnas said in KH 3D. he said that nobodies can get their own hearts after a while and that's why he tricked the members of OrgXIII so he can start the cloning process,but xemnas has another plan that wasn't intended by master xehanort which is the artificial kingdom hearts and xemnas's desire to sink the universe into nothingness instead of starting a keyblade war...............anyway....yeah they can use three but they have to awake this ability

 

This is actually one of my pet peeves on here. People really should know this by now . Nomura confirmed it .Read the interviews people its not hard . Also anybody dumb enough to think Braigs trolling of Sora is proof that Sora isnt a wielder on his own should 1: Read the interviews.2.Consider the source.Braig trolls for a living.Why would he be credible considering DDD is all about trolling/mindfiretrucking Sora ..Really its amazing after all this time people dont get this. Nomura confirmed REGARDLESS of ven Sora was always destined to wield .Ven just sped the process up.

 

that is what I'm trying to say here....since his being as xigbar in KH2..braig never stopped trolling sora...also both braig and xehanort were trying to emphisize sora's darkness by filling him with doubt of his own abilities

actually I never considered Mr.As if ......as a credible source

[Robbie the Wise 5,050]

Me and axel_lea have been fight this exact crusade for months.