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[Ertyx]

i usually agree with ign on many of their articles. such as Final Fantasy 13-2 and Asura's Wrath, just to name a few. while, i think this writer seemed a bit too hateful on the series, he made a few good points. I do agree that Disney has, a bit, too much control on the series, but i understand why. I also have some disagreements with him. for instance, i find Roxas to be a very engaging character. Maybe, i'm assuming here, but i feel like half the people on this thread only read the title and immediately got pissed off. Besides, god forbid a guy for having an opinion.

[J. Severe]

I tried to understand what the article was saying. I really did. But, to me, he just sounded like one of those guys who criticize the entire series and just wants KH3, only with correct spelling, grammar, and that he can publish his thoughts on one of the more popular video gaming sites out there.

And the fact that he refers to BBS and KH3D as "spin-offs", and that KH and KH2 are the only "real" games makes me question how much he knows about the games and the storyline at all. It's his opinion, and I respect that, but he could have at least tried to make himself sound like he had some sense in him.

[Keyblader]

*Notes who all the intense fanboys/girls are by the posts on the thread*

Like people have said before, this is an opinion we are talking about people. This one guy's views doesn't represent all of IGN, or what Kingdom Hearts is for that matter. How do I feel about what he said? I have points where I agree with him, and points where I don't. Yes, there are things that could be different about Kingdom Hearts, things that would make it better.

Atlantica in KH2 is (In my opinion of course) the worst and most annoying world in the entire series so far. I thank the team for making it a non-plot important world, a smart move on their part, considering that if I'm not in the mood for getting Orichalcum+ (I at least think there was one), a Blizzard upgrade, and the Keyblade for that world (Don't remember the name), then I don't have to. I also agree with what he said about "We pray for our sorrows to end, and hope that our hearts will blend. Now I will step forward to realize this wish." because honestly I don't understand it either, at all. Does it make his opinion (and mine as well) right for everyone else? Not at all. Are there things in this article that I don't agree with? Of course. I'm not sure I'm fully hooked on the Toy Story world idea, though as I think about it, it probably could make a good world.

All in all, it's just an opinion, and there's no need to make death wishes against this guy. Sure, there are times when I feel strongly about something...Now that I think about it, that's the case here. But nonetheless, it doesn't mean it has to turn into a blood bath.

I tried to understand what the article was saying. I really did. But, to me, he just sounded like one of those guys who criticize the entire series and just wants KH3, only with correct spelling, grammar, and that he can publish his thoughts on one of the more popular video gaming sites out there.

And the fact that he refers to BBS and KH3D as "spin-offs", and that KH and KH2 are the only "real" games makes me question how much he knows about the games and the storyline at all. It's his opinion, and I respect that, but he could have at least tried to make himself sound like he had some sense in him.

Yeah, he probably could have changed what he said about it to seem like so much less of, well, a full force argument. I can't say I'd know how to word it better, but still.

He has an.... OPINION?!?!

BLAARRGGNBRUEOJ;NF EALJFNARFJUOA BHFBRFGNJHKBFHEWBNFLHRB UJREFKA HE MUST DIE A PAINFUL DEATH!!!!!!!!1!!!!11!11!

I know right?

[Exodaze]

I was about to create a thread about this but then I took an IGN to the face.

With that said, I think the writer only looked at the bad side of the game, seriously I can write a better article than him.

In the end, a hater is a hater and we move on.

[TheKingdomkid]

i don't agree with some of the stuff in this article but parts I do. First off I liked Ventus ok don't diss the boy, second ok yea there has been a few things with the many people conected and looking like Sora but hey it's part of the story, now Kingdom Hearts and Kingdom Hearts 2 weren't the only real games, all of the games were real games really they all contributed to the story in some small way or another, some contributed more than others but thats not the point, i agree with the fact that the first song in the Atlantic world was annoying but i enjoyed some of the songs in KH2 that we had to sing, and we did go to Kingdom Hearts and seen it in most of the games, we seen it in the first one, we fought in Kingdom Hearts in the second one and saw it again in Birth by Sleep, and honestly I'm still confused to what Kingdom Hearts is, so far i think its a door or a big heart shaped moon, but still, I enjoy the games for the story and characters and battle system and basicly everything, and I can see why some people wouldn't like it, it's their opinion, no big deal and hey we bash on other games to but people like playing them its just an opinion so just say "Ah well" shrug it off and continue playing the games we all love

[axel91]

I didn't read the article, but I checked to see who the editor was, and I'm not surprised one bit. He is the IGN editor that reviewed Re:coded. And I hated him ever since reading what he said in the review when he referred to BBS, my favorite KH game, as nothing but a filler game and a prequel just "Kingdom Hearts" in name becuase it has keyblades. O RLY?! The game whose events had an impact in EVERY KH game, a filler?! And he actually referred to Re:coded, the game that is least important story-wise, as non-filler? The fact that he thinks Re:coded was a better game than BBS is proof that the guy doesn't know what he's talking about. Now I don't care much about IGN, but whenever there would be news for KH3D on IGN, I noticed a different editor doing coverage, and unlike this loser, is actually more fair and balanced and doesn't whine "Where's KH3?!" I can't remember his name, but I really do hope he's the one who'll review KH3D for IGN as he is a rare IGN editor that I actually like.

[DragonMaster]

There are three major things that are wrong with this article. 1) The title is just overly provocative. Only and idiot wouldn't be able to see how much hate he would get for that kind of title. 2) We have been to Kingdom Hearts. The whole final battle of KHII took place there... 3) He called them spin-offs and insulted Roxas...

The guy has some valid points, and he did defend them well (I still don't necessarily agree with all of them, though). That Disney is too restrictive is true (did anyone honestly enjoy KHII Atlantica to the extent that you want to see it again, did anyone enjoy it to any extent?). Multi-console release for KHIII (and had remakes of the PS2 titles, if you don't mind my adding) would be amazing. A normal name for KHIII is pretty much a given, though I do side with him that they shouldn't give it a fancy name. Plus, he praised the gameplay through-out the article.

That said, he just presented his opinion in such an antagonistic way, that I can't respect him. The title was pure troll bait, and is only going to cause a flame war between fans, fanboys, and haters.

By the way, I don't think that videogames should be played for its story, That's why they are video-games. It's like trying to play hide and seek with some plot. Some videogames have nice stories, but they could end up being an interactvie movie rather than a videogames

I disagree wholeheartedly. With very few exceptions, I am entirely motivated to play a game for its story. No story = no buy. My exceptions are as follows: Fighters, Puzzle games, and "mini-games". Kingdom Hearts is really the only game I continue to play long after I beat the story, simply because they are fun. Pokemon sometimes too.

[Keyblade Master Xoncron]

Some one tell me were I might be able to find the author so I can go to their house and beat the stuf... er I mean give them a stern taclking to!

[animemylove]

I was just about to make a thread about this .. this shit pissed me off quite a bit, from the very first paragraph i was preparing for a fight lol .. thank god a majority of the people who commented disagreed.

[MDSVeritas]

C'mon guys, this is utterly ridiculous of some of you! I disagree with this as much as anyone else here does, but Jack DeVries (one of my favorite writers at IGN) is making well argued points of his own opinion. He doesn't hate this series, he obviously likes enough to be concerned about what he sees to be faults. Yes, I disagree, and I love Kingdom Hearts for much of the very story he criticizes, and I've felt very connected to many characters he names as two-dimensional or boring. That doesn't make him a "butthurt fanboy", it doesn't mean he's "paid off", it means he's got an opinion about a series he obviously has experience with, one different than yours or mine, but one that is rather well supported and deserving of respect. So can we begin to discuss how we disagree with his points instead of striking out viciously at him and the site he writes for. Don't succumb to very ignorance and narrow-mindedness you so easily ascribe to him and IGN.

Let me begin; I disagree with his examination of Roxas and Ventus. Roxas was a very different character from Sora and showed off a more personal and less openly heroic side to a protagonist. His quiet and thoughtful care was something that contrasted brilliantly with Sora's sometimes over-zealousness to create a character that I was thrilled to be able to play as, and his friendship with Axel was a spectacular look at character development and human connections that I think were the very best in the series. Ventus I think showed a bit more of an outward personality, but also held onto a lot of the inward, thoughtful traits of Roxas, a combination of Sora and Roxas that developed in an amazing way alongside Aqua and Terra.

[Madotsuki]

It's threads like these that make me glad I'm not involved in this fandom anymore. It's an article about someone's opinion. Get over it.

[hatok]

This person made valid points. In fact, most of those points can easily be found on this site. He complimented everything that most people find good about KH, and found the story to be a complicated mess. It IS a complicated mess. The the ualityof the story is mediocre. This isn't Bioware we're dealing with.
And stop and think about it, there are only three characters in KH: Sora, Kairi, and Xehanort. Everybody else is a variation of them.
Part of being a fan is understanding what you're a fan of. Just blindly ignoring any flaws doesn't make you a fan. It makes you something lesser than that.

This guy didn't know what he was talking about. It's Pride LANDS not pride ROCK. Toy Story was gonna be in KH2, but it was taken out due to time constraints, they went to Kingdom Hearts in KH2, and the fact that the story is SO complex is one of the best parts of Kingdom Hearts as a series. He had one good point: CUT IT OUT WITH THE FIRETRUCKING SORA CLONES! 4 Sora's is enough!

No, they just found Buzz and Woody models. We don't know why it doesn't appear, but all it really implied was they might be summons

Then, may I ask why do you want KH3? If KH2 had a real ending, then, why to make KH3? There's no storyline to follow.

Because games came out later, and suddenly the plot got more complicated. The series could have ended with KH2 with a few changes.

[axel91]

If anyone cares, I just looked up the IGN editor that I like, and his name is Richard George. I've been reading his Metal Gear Solid 3D review, and while I can't comment on his views of the game becuase I've never played a Metal Gear game before, his writing style is excellent and well balanced. He is also doing the majority of coverage for KH3D (he had some very good things to say about the game when trying out the demo during TGS), and I really do hope he reviews the game. Jack DeVries, on the other hand, is a lousy editor who doesn't know how write without whining about things.

[AnsemTheWise]

It would be nice if he got a few things straight. As was pointed out earlier, we've been to the Pride LANDS, and the entire final beattle sequence took place inside Kingdom Hearts. Hell, the final battle in KH1 was just outside the door! And the Secret Episode in BbSFM took place in the Realm of Darkness... right behind the door!!!!

It's pretty clear that he just swooped in, chose some things that he wanted to pick at. and loaded his gun. Sure, he pointed out some of the good features (the combat system, etc), but that's really only because otherwis eth earticle would have gone beyond a flame; it would've been a bonfire!

Sorry, Jack DeVries, but I'm afraid I need to put an arrow in your knee.

[Lady Dreana]

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It would be nice if he got a few things straight. As was pointed out earlier, we've been to the Pride LANDS, and the entire final beattle sequence took place inside Kingdom Hearts. Hell, the final battle in KH1 was just outside the door! And the Secret Episode in BbSFM took place in the Realm of Darkness... right behind the door!!!!

It's pretty clear that he just swooped in, chose some things that he wanted to pick at. and loaded his gun. Sure, he pointed out some of the good features (the combat system, etc), but that's really only because otherwis eth earticle would have gone beyond a flame; it would've been a bonfire!

Sorry, Jack DeVries, but I'm afraid I need to put an arrow in your knee.

And give him a good helping of FUS RO DAH

[razuthor72]

And give him a good helping of FUS RO DAH

Agreed.
Like so many people before me have said, he has some valid points, but overall I think he just got confused by a small bit of KH and then got annoyed at his own confusion. He has an opinion so here is mine: I wanna punch this guy in the face.

[DragonMaster]

It's threads like these that make me glad I'm not involved in this fandom anymore. It's an article about someone's opinion. Get over it.

If those overreacting are at one extreme, then this I would consider the other. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, and that should be respected. However, there are good ways to state opinions, and bad ways. Writing an article and titling it "Kingdom Hearts Sucks" is the wrong way to do it, even if the contents of the article are fine and dandy. Taking that same article, and naming "Kingdom Hearts, How to fix it" would be a good way to express opinion. The fact is that if you say something sucks, you are going to anger someone who likes whatever the heck it is. Just pulling a random thing from your "About Me" page, how would you like it if I wrote an article titled "Persona Sucks"? I might make some good points, but by saying that something you like sucks, I automatically bias you against me.

Basically whats happening here is as follows:
Extreme fans are calling for this guy to be lynched because he insulted their favorite series. Normal fans are respecting that it is his opinion, saying that there is something they can understand and find agreeable, but expressing dislike of his blatant troll-bait title. Haters are yelling about how the series is terrible and blah, blah, blah all the usual. The people whose only interest in the series seems to be whining for KHIII are doing just that. Then there are those (who can fit into any of these categories, except extreme-fan or fanboy if you prefer) getting all worked up and overreacting due to the overreactions of others. Yeah, its just an opinion, and yeah lots of people are overreacting. But I'll let you in on a secret, you're not going to convince those overreacting otherwise, so all your really doing is adding to the complaints.

Oh, and this wasn't targeted to you in particular DemyxLovesCookies, your post was just the closest one from the quick reply box.

[Madotsuki]

If those overreacting are at one extreme, then this I would consider the other. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, and that should be respected. However, there are good ways to state opinions, and bad ways. Writing an article and titling it "Kingdom Hearts Sucks" is the wrong way to do it, even if the contents of the article are fine and dandy. Taking that same article, and naming "Kingdom Hearts, How to fix it" would be a good way to express opinion. The fact is that if you say something sucks, you are going to anger someone who likes whatever the heck it is. Just pulling a random thing from your "About Me" page, how would you like it if I wrote an article titled "Persona Sucks"? I might make some good points, but by saying that something you like sucks, I automatically bias you against me.

Basically whats happening here is as follows:
Extreme fans are calling for this guy to be lynched because he insulted their favorite series. Normal fans are respecting that it is his opinion, saying that there is something they can understand and find agreeable, but expressing dislike of his blatant troll-bait title. Haters are yelling about how the series is terrible and blah, blah, blah all the usual. The people whose only interest in the series seems to be whining for KHIII are doing just that. Then there are those (who can fit into any of these categories, except extreme-fan or fanboy if you prefer) getting all worked up and overreacting due to the overreactions of others. Yeah, its just an opinion, and yeah lots of people are overreacting. But I'll let you in on a secret, you're not going to convince those overreacting otherwise, so all your really doing is adding to the complaints.

Oh, and this wasn't targeted to you in particular DemyxLovesCookies, your post was just the closest one from the quick reply box.

I'll admit that my post was a bit too blunt, and I did overreact, so I apologize.

The title of an article doesn't change its contents. If you wrote an article entitled "Persona Sucks", and it's content made sense and brought up some fair points, I wouldn't mind the title at all, even if it was blatant flame-bait. YMMV, though.

[AwersomeOne]

WHO WROTE THAT TRASH!!!!! NEVER INSULT A GREAT GAME LIKE KH JUST BECAUSE YOUR NOT SMART ENOUGH To UNDERSTAND THE COMPLEXITY OF THE STORY!!!......phew ok done venting xD

[Koko]

it's an opinion, get over it.