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[atheist123]

I felt like I had to point out that this is historically inaccurate. God influenced the hand of the writers of the Bible--it was a creation of God through mankind, not something people made up.

The very act of recording "truths" makes the "truths" untruthful. The Bible was written by men 2500-1800 ya approx.; fact. The Bible was translated from Hebrew or Greek (Old Testament/New Testament) into Greek (Old Testament) and Latin (for both) then eventually English; fact. There have been countless versions of the bible through time in Greek, Latin and English; fact. Was none of the translators ever tempted by, say, the devil to mis-translate? Were none of the Popes or Cardinals in the Dark Ages corrupt dictators? It is possible that the original Bible (which was penned by multiple authors across hundreds of years) could have been influenced by God's hand but not every single translator.

I'm not from America so I can't be the best person to make a judgement but from what I know, it's really complicated. You can't force states where the overwhelming majority of people oppose gay marriage to make it part of their law; the process needs to be democratic. And since each state is basically a country, it should be up to the state government not the federal(?) government to decide if gay marriage should be allowed. It's like if every state legalised medical marijuana; chaos would break out in some states but some states would be unaffected altogether. It's like making marriage illegal for straight people; if 99.9% of the population were gay (and the gay people weren't loving and accepting like most are) then it would be totally fair for them to outlaw straight marriage. Besides, if homosexuality was the main sexual orientation of humanity (but we still procreated out of neccesity) then the Bible would totally support gay marriage because all the corrupt cardinals etc would change God's divine message.

[Think Pink]

The very act of recording "truths" makes the "truths" untruthful. The Bible was written by men 2500-1800 ya approx.; fact. The Bible was translated from Hebrew or Greek (Old Testament/New Testament) into Greek (Old Testament) and Latin (for both) then eventually English; fact. There have been countless versions of the bible through time in Greek, Latin and English; fact. Was none of the translators ever tempted by, say, the devil to mis-translate? Were none of the Popes or Cardinals in the Dark Ages corrupt dictators? It is possible that the original Bible (which was penned by multiple authors across hundreds of years) could have been influenced by God's hand but not every single translator.

I'm not from America so I can't be the best person to make a judgement but from what I know, it's really complicated. You can't force states where the overwhelming majority of people oppose gay marriage to make it part of their law; the process needs to be democratic. And since each state is basically a country, it should be up to the state government not the federal(?) government to decide if gay marriage should be allowed. It's like if every state legalised medical marijuana; chaos would break out in some states but some states would be unaffected altogether. It's like making marriage illegal for straight people; if 99.9% of the population were gay (and the gay people weren't loving and accepting like most are) then it would be totally fair for them to outlaw straight marriage. Besides, if homosexuality was the main sexual orientation of humanity (but we still procreated out of neccesity) then the Bible would totally support gay marriage because all the corrupt cardinals etc would change God's divine message.

The translations are correct, at the very least. When new Bibles are created and translated into English, the translators use the original works. Since they are the original works, they weren't tampered with over time.

I agree with part of what your second half is saying. Of course you can't force anyone to do anything--that's unfair. But in basically every state it will be passed, because so many people support it and the government runs the risk of being seen as infringing on their rights. It's going to be passed everywhere, despite any opposition.

[atheist123]

The translations are correct, at the very least. When new Bibles are created and translated into English, the translators use the original works. Since they are the original works, they weren't tampered with over time.

I agree with part of what your second half is saying. Of course you can't force anyone to do anything--that's unfair. But in basically every state it will be passed, because so many people support it and the government runs the risk of being seen as infringing on their rights. It's going to be passed everywhere, despite any opposition.

I can't be stuffed researching how bibles are actually made, so I'll just agree with you If you have faith that the Bible is 100% accurate then thats good enough for me, but as a scientist I take no theory as 100% correct, and no-one elses truth as 100% true.

[Captain Scrotum]

:"They think one of every 10 people are gay. So that means one of the twelve apostles might have been gay. My guess is Simon, cause that name's the gayest."

"The bible says it's an abomination for a man to lay down next to another man.. But we shared tents in Cub scouts and slept next to each other all the time.. so that would make cub scouts an abomination.."

"You know what else the bible says is an abomination? Eating lobster, planting different crops in the same field, giving somebody a 'proud look'? Not an abomination - slavery. Jesus never said anything about gay people, that's a fact."

"Well maybe he wanted to, but he didn't wanna hurt Simon's feelings.."

Yeah, that pretty much sums it all up for me. God bless Glee.

[Think Pink]

I can't be stuffed researching how bibles are actually made, so I'll just agree with you http://kh13.com/forum/public/style_emoti... If you have faith that the Bible is 100% accurate then thats good enough for me, but as a scientist I take no theory as 100% correct, and no-one elses truth as 100% true.

My old Bible class teacher used to work as a translator, that's the only reason I know. xDD Personally I only believe the Bible because of science. But we're sort of getting off-topic so I'll shut up. xDD

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Did anybody participate in the Silent Stand thing today? I didn't, and I was so angry that kids at my school missed the point. I had two oral presentations today, and I can't shut up for more than 30 seconds anyway, and somehow that made all the kids doing it write on paper "YOU'RE BULLYING GAY KIDS BY TALKING TODAY". I think people missed the point. I wasn't going to kill my grades by skipping on doing a project :// I mean, just because someone doesn't participate doesn't mean they're bullies. That just set me off. I have plenty of gay friends and no problem with people who are, so how am I a bully? idk, that just really ticked me off. Did anybody else have trouble with kids missing the point today?

[Xer]

Know what? I dont give a firetruck about it, if a gay would like to marry who am I to get into it, for example, if my best friend is gay, so what? if he would do a marriage or ask me to be his bestman, ok, np...
So the guys who think That GAY MARRIAGE shouldnt be aloud, know what?
GO firetruck YOURSELF!

[Always]

Meh, I'm neutral on this issue, so I can't vote in the poll. XP