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(Theory) Do Pureblood Heartless evolve?

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#1 sorakeyblade999

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Posted 29 October 2017 - 03:07 AM

Greetings, my Fellow Dandelions! As a rabid KH fan, I've had this question in the back of my mind and I finally have an outlet for it in this place! So, I gotta ask, do pure-blood Heartless Evolve?

 

As we all know, all heartless are in two separate categories; Emblem and Pure-blood. Emblem Heartless are made from machines, inanimate objects, ect. And Pure-blood are made strictly from darkness in our hearts.Thing is...ever notice how similar they look to each other? Let's take a look at Shadows for an example.

 

We have our cute little Shadow and then we have the Mega Shadow and then the Gigas Shadow. Of course, that's typical behavior. Shadow Spawns, doesn't get killed and gets more darkness and grows bigger, right? Then...we have NeoShadows.

 

These buggers look like a Shadow that's been hitting the gym, right? Taller, bigger and much more dangerous. Now, I could be wrong, but doesn't it just seem like a natural evolution to the Shadow line? It even has it in the name! My proposal is that when a heartless goes for a long period of time without dying, it grows in size, but if it actually fells a person in battle, it grows stronger and thus evolves. Like a  Pokemon, for some of you fans out there. Another example, Posessors

 

They take control of inanimate objects and turns them into heartless themselves. Granted, when that object is hurt, it can't do much by itself...that is until it evolves. From here, I think that it could turn either a Darkball or a Shadow Stalker. And as we all saw from KH2, A Shadow Stalker definitely CAN evolve, into a Dark Thorn, and one could argue that this heartless evolves into a Dark Hide, if give enough time and experience. 

 

My reasoning of why only Pureblood Heartless evolve is that they can't be mass manufactured. Emblem Heartless are made to be that specific heartless and nothing else. Any Heartless that is similar in shape, name, attack pattern, is due to small variations in their code. Only Pureblood heartless can form directly from darkness...and Darkness takes on many different and terrifying shapes if we let it. But hey, that's just a theory. A game theory! Until next time, Stay Shining!



#2 Dustin Lübbers

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Posted 29 October 2017 - 05:24 AM

the three most well know pureblood heartless The ones from destiny Island/the ones in KH2 and the big one do kinda feel like the stages of a Pokemon evolution



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Posted 29 October 2017 - 07:13 AM

I've always thought so myself.

Are Nova-shadows canon? They're like Neo-Shadows but with a different color scheme and one less finger.



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Posted 29 October 2017 - 10:19 AM

As far as we know, no, they do not evolve. Shadows, Mega Shadows, Gigas Shadows, and Neoshadows are all different Heartless. They just look very similar, sort of like how Red Nocturnes, Blue Rhapsodys, and Emerald Blues all look very similar.

Emblem Heartless are made from machines, inanimate objects, ect.


Emblem Heartless aren't inanimate objects. Apprentice Xehanort used hearts to make them with his machine. Both Pureblood and Emblem Heartless have hearts deep within them somewhere. And destroying both of them with a Keyblade causes the heart to be liberated.

Edited by Elfdemon_, 29 October 2017 - 10:19 AM.


#5 Shard the Gentleman

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Posted 29 October 2017 - 03:29 PM

. Both Pureblood and Emblem Heartless have hearts deep within them somewhere. And destroying both of them with a Keyblade causes the heart to be liberated.

I thought in Days, it was stated that only one of them released hearts? (The DS version, I think I remember someone saying that in the first few missions)



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Posted 29 October 2017 - 03:43 PM

I thought in Days, it was stated that only one of them released hearts? (The DS version, I think I remember someone saying that in the first few missions)

Fool. You're right. Pureblood Heartless are born in the realm of darkness and not from anyone's heart. Emblem Heartless are born when someone's heart is taken by a heartless. The heart that was taken becomes the Emblem Heartless. The body then sometimes becomes a Nobody. Emblem Heartless strength is based on the amount of darkness in a person's heart when they turned into a heartless. 

 

I wouldn't be surprised if Pureblood Heartless evolve. Those Heartless towers are considered its own category of Heartless, and those were just a bunch of Shadows put together. 



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Posted 29 October 2017 - 03:47 PM

Fool. You're right. Pureblood Heartless are born in the realm of darkness and not from anyone's heart. Emblem Heartless are born when someone's heart is taken by a heartless. The heart that was taken becomes the Emblem Heartless. The body then sometimes becomes a Nobody. Emblem Heartless strength is based on the amount of darkness in a person's heart when they turned into a heartless. 

 

I wouldn't be surprised if Pureblood Heartless evolve. Those Heartless towers are considered its own category of Heartless, and those were just a bunch of Shadows put together. 

Oh okay!

So before Emblem Heartless were created (by Ansem the Wise), the only way to contact a heartless was for a heart of darkness to draw them near. If a Pure Blood Heartless took a heart, the heart would return to Kingdom Hearts, correct? No heartless and nobody would be made?



#8 sorakeyblade999

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Posted 29 October 2017 - 11:06 PM

Fool. You're right. Pureblood Heartless are born in the realm of darkness and not from anyone's heart. Emblem Heartless are born when someone's heart is taken by a heartless. The heart that was taken becomes the Emblem Heartless. The body then sometimes becomes a Nobody. Emblem Heartless strength is based on the amount of darkness in a person's heart when they turned into a heartless. 

 

I wouldn't be surprised if Pureblood Heartless evolve. Those Heartless towers are considered its own category of Heartless, and those were just a bunch of Shadows put together. 

 That's right! I forgot about the Tower and Tides! Not really an evolution, but it does show that Heartless do work together...sometimes. 



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Posted 29 October 2017 - 11:49 PM

I thought in Days, it was stated that only one of them released hearts? (The DS version, I think I remember someone saying that in the first few missions)


No one says that as far as I'm aware. Maybe you're thinking of this:

Marluxia speaking to Roxas in 358/2 Days: "The rest of us can defeat Heartless, but we have no way of collecting the hearts they release. Eventually, the hearts will return right back into Heartless."
 

Fool. You're right. Pureblood Heartless are born in the realm of darkness and not from anyone's heart. Emblem Heartless are born when someone's heart is taken by a heartless. The heart that was taken becomes the Emblem Heartless. The body then sometimes becomes a Nobody. Emblem Heartless strength is based on the amount of darkness in a person's heart when they turned into a heartless. 
 
I wouldn't be surprised if Pureblood Heartless evolve. Those Heartless towers are considered its own category of Heartless, and those were just a bunch of Shadows put together.


Not true. Pureblood Heartless are the natural Heartless. They are what you turn into when you succumb to the darkness and they are what you can create from the darkness in your heart. They are the darkness from the heart turned sentient (except not really since they can't feel things and only act on instinct lol). When you destroy a Pureblood Heartless, the heart within them isn't visibly/physically released, but it is definitely freed. The freed heart will eventually end up turning back into a Heartless. When a Pureblood Heartless is destroyed by a Keyblade, then it's freed for good. It goes into a sort of limbo state and waits for the corresponding Nobody to be destroyed so that it can combine back with the body and recomplete the original person. If the person has no corresponding Nobody, then all you have to do to recomplete them is destroy their Heartless (with a Keyblade) since their body is already waiting in the limbo state.

Emblem Heartless were created by a machine constructed by Apprentice Xehanort. It uses real hearts and replicates how a heart succumbs to darkness. The process is obviously different though since it is done by science and a machine. When they are destroyed, the corrupted heart that's freed will end up turning back into a Heartless, just like the Pureblood Heartless. Except the hearts are visibly freed. When Emblem Heartless are destroyed by a Keyblade, the heart is freed for good and goes into the aforementioned limbo state and waits for the Nobody counterpart to be destroyed, just like the Pureblood Heartless. If there is no Nobody counterpart, then all you need to do to recomplete the original person is to destroy the Heartless with a Keyblade. Them being destroyed by a Keyblade also allows Organization XIII to be able to collect the hearts before they get a chance to recomplete.
 
Oh, and another way to become a Heartless is being devoured by one. If your heart is devoured by a Pureblood Heartless, then you will become a Pureblood Heartless and if your heart is devoured by an Emblem Heartless, then you will become an Emblem Heartless.

 

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Edited by Elfdemon_, 29 October 2017 - 11:50 PM.


#10 sorakeyblade999

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Posted 30 October 2017 - 10:51 AM

No one says that as far as I'm aware. Maybe you're thinking of this:

Marluxia speaking to Roxas in 358/2 Days: "The rest of us can defeat Heartless, but we have no way of collecting the hearts they release. Eventually, the hearts will return right back into Heartless."
 


Not true. Pureblood Heartless are the natural Heartless. They are what you turn into when you succumb to the darkness and they are what you can create from the darkness in your heart. They are the darkness from the heart turned sentient (except not really since they can't feel things and only act on instinct lol). When you destroy a Pureblood Heartless, the heart within them isn't visibly/physically released, but it is definitely freed. The freed heart will eventually end up turning back into a Heartless. When a Pureblood Heartless is destroyed by a Keyblade, then it's freed for good. It goes into a sort of limbo state and waits for the corresponding Nobody to be destroyed so that it can combine back with the body and recomplete the original person. If the person has no corresponding Nobody, then all you have to do to recomplete them is destroy their Heartless (with a Keyblade) since their body is already waiting in the limbo state.

Emblem Heartless were created by a machine constructed by Apprentice Xehanort. It uses real hearts and replicates how a heart succumbs to darkness. The process is obviously different though since it is done by science and a machine. When they are destroyed, the corrupted heart that's freed will end up turning back into a Heartless, just like the Pureblood Heartless. Except the hearts are visibly freed. When Emblem Heartless are destroyed by a Keyblade, the heart is freed for good and goes into the aforementioned limbo state and waits for the Nobody counterpart to be destroyed, just like the Pureblood Heartless. If there is no Nobody counterpart, then all you need to do to recomplete the original person is to destroy the Heartless with a Keyblade. Them being destroyed by a Keyblade also allows Organization XIII to be able to collect the hearts before they get a chance to recomplete.
 
Oh, and another way to become a Heartless is being devoured by one. If your heart is devoured by a Pureblood Heartless, then you will become a Pureblood Heartless and if your heart is devoured by an Emblem Heartless, then you will become an Emblem Heartless.

 

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Sometimes, you gotta wonder why nobody has tried to stop those heartless making machines if they're such a big problem. I'm gonna assume that there's some protection on it or something. Either way, I just learned a crap ton! Still, I'd like to think they evolve. Too many of them have too similar appearance, mannerisms to actually be born separate. I'm just happy to get people thinking this way, since we probably won't get an answer.

 

On a non-related note. Does it bother anyone else that Sora became a Shadow? You'd think it'd be something stronger...



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Posted 30 October 2017 - 01:42 PM

This is interesting. I don’t think it is if these evolve, but more like how much darkness does one possess to create the heartless.

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Posted 30 October 2017 - 02:01 PM

Sometimes, you gotta wonder why nobody has tried to stop those heartless making machines if they're such a big problem. I'm gonna assume that there's some protection on it or something.


The machine isn't running anymore. They just created a massive amount of Heartless when it was running back in the day. And Emblem Heartless can multiply by devouring people's hearts, the same way Pureblood Heartless can, which would also help explain why there's so many.
 

On a non-related note. Does it bother anyone else that Sora became a Shadow? You'd think it'd be something stronger...

 
It's because of how little darkness he has in his heart. If he became a Heartless in current-day, I'm sure his Heartless would be much stronger since how much he succumbed to darkness in Dream Drop Distance thanks to the Seekers of Darkness pulling him further and further into sleep.

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Posted 22 November 2017 - 03:27 PM

The machine isn't running anymore. They just created a massive amount of Heartless when it was running back in the day. And Emblem Heartless can multiply by devouring people's hearts, the same way Pureblood Heartless can, which would also help explain why there's so many.
 
 
It's because of how little darkness he has in his heart. If he became a Heartless in current-day, I'm sure his Heartless would be much stronger since how much he succumbed to darkness in Dream Drop Distance thanks to the Seekers of Darkness pulling him further and further into sleep.

Yeah, and the more the Heartless looks like the Somebody, the darker the heart (Ansem, Scar).



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Posted 22 November 2017 - 03:45 PM

Yeah, and the more the Heartless looks like the Somebody, the darker the heart (Ansem, Scar).


Xehanort's Heartless actually doesn't really look like Xehanort at all. Xehanort's Heartless is the brown Robed Figure. He was later able to gain a body using Riku's body though. He possessed Riku and sort of molded/shaped Riku's body into one that's more to his likeness.

So, it's unknown why Scar's Heartless pretty much kept Scar's exact shape and form. It's a pretty weird and rare case.

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Posted 28 November 2017 - 11:25 PM

Pureblood Heartless are natural heartless created either from masses of darkness or when another pureblood heartless consumes a heart, in which they draw out the darkness in the person's heart to form another one of themselves. They do not release hearts like Emblem Heartless do even if they were formed by consuming a heart because they destroy the heart when they do so. Emblem heartless are artificial heartless which are born of a machine and when they consume a heart they fail to do so entirely, they simply swallow the heart in darkness but don't destroy the heart itself in the process, thus they release hearts when destroyed, forming another Emblem heartless of the same type when they consume a heart. For instance, a Large Body Emblem heartless forms another Large Body Emblem heartless when it consumes a heart, while a Shadow Heartless will form another Shadow Heartless,

 

As for whether Purebloods evolve, that's a bit tricky. I think we've seen it before but I don't recall any specific instances right now. I think we've had heartless eat up darkness and change to another form before, but don't quote me on that.



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Posted 05 December 2017 - 09:06 PM

Hmm, this is a very interesting theory! It would explain the similarities between many of the Pureblood Heartless! I've always thought of the Neoshadow as the more refined version of the Shadow Heartless, and thinking of it as an evolved form would definitely make sense! Cuz after all, just because Heartless are dark beings doesn't mean that they can't grow, ya know?



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Posted 06 December 2017 - 10:35 AM

Pureblood Heartless are natural heartless created either from masses of darkness or when another pureblood heartless consumes a heart, in which they draw out the darkness in the person's heart to form another one of themselves. They do not release hearts like Emblem Heartless do even if they were formed by consuming a heart because they destroy the heart when they do so. Emblem heartless are artificial heartless which are born of a machine and when they consume a heart they fail to do so entirely, they simply swallow the heart in darkness but don't destroy the heart itself in the process, thus they release hearts when destroyed, forming another Emblem heartless of the same type when they consume a heart. For instance, a Large Body Emblem heartless forms another Large Body Emblem heartless when it consumes a heart, while a Shadow Heartless will form another Shadow Heartless,
 
As for whether Purebloods evolve, that's a bit tricky. I think we've seen it before but I don't recall any specific instances right now. I think we've had heartless eat up darkness and change to another form before, but don't quote me on that.


Pureblood Heartless are not created from masses of darkness. They're created when someone succumbs to the darkness or loses their heart or when another Pureblood Heartless devours someone else's heart. They do release hearts, just not visibly. The only major difference between a Pureblood and and Emblem Heartless is the way they're created. Pureblood Heartless are created when someone naturally succumbs to the darkness or loses their heart, and Emblem Heartless are created when a machine created by Apprentice Xehanort artificially causes a heart to succumb to the darkness. Emblem Heartless devouring someone else's heart creates another Emblem Heartless. But, it's never been confirmed that it will turn into the same Emblem Heartless as the one that devoured it.



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Posted 06 December 2017 - 02:17 PM

Pureblood Heartless are not created from masses of darkness. They're created when someone succumbs to the darkness or loses their heart or when another Pureblood Heartless devours someone else's heart. They do release hearts, just not visibly. The only major difference between a Pureblood and and Emblem Heartless is the way they're created. Pureblood Heartless are created when someone naturally succumbs to the darkness or loses their heart, and Emblem Heartless are created when a machine created by Apprentice Xehanort artificially causes a heart to succumb to the darkness. Emblem Heartless devouring someone else's heart creates another Emblem Heartless. But, it's never been confirmed that it will turn into the same Emblem Heartless as the one that devoured it.

A heart does not even need to be in the equation for a pureblood heartless to exist, that's why places deep in darkness that aren't even inhabited are filled with them like the Realm of Darkness. Pureblood heartless do not release hearts even invisibly because they never had them in the first place. They are formed either out of the darkness or when a heart is obliterated by the darkness, they don't have hearts to release.



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Posted 06 December 2017 - 08:11 PM

A heart does not even need to be in the equation for a pureblood heartless to exist, that's why places deep in darkness that aren't even inhabited are filled with them like the Realm of Darkness. Pureblood heartless do not release hearts even invisibly because they never had them in the first place. They are formed either out of the darkness or when a heart is obliterated by the darkness, they don't have hearts to release.

 
A heart does need to be in the equation for a Pureblood Heartless to exist. Pureblood Heartless are literally corrupted hearts. When someone succumbs to the darkness/loses their heart, the darkness within their heart comes out and devours it. That's what a Pureblood Heartless is. It's unknown why there are tons of Pureblood Heartless in the Realm of Darkness, but I'd say it's most likely simply because they are attracted to darkness. They are born in the Realm of Light when someone loses their heart and then probably use Corridors of Darkness to teleport to the Realm of Darkness.

I have provided sources and proof for all of my claims in a comment I made above.


Edited by Elfdemon_, 06 December 2017 - 08:12 PM.






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