Aqua and vanitas

[KHShaderoom 28]

Hey, its me again. Another question about vanitas.

 

Vanitas was knocked out by Aqua and his body was still there. Aqua passed out, but when she woke up, he was gone. Why would he leave without killing her? Was he taken away by someone? Its Vanitas we're talking about here. He is a sadistic and a ruthless prick. He attacked aqua off guard and tried to kill her later on. This is the same guy who beat up and kidnapped mickey. This is the same guy who tried to killed ventus at the Badlands.

 

Please don't say "Aqua was his backup plan". Vanitas clearly told Aqua in Neverland that he didnt need her anymore. Ven has grown strong enough that Vanitas wont need a back-up.

 

Thoughts?

[Felixx 6,646]

Honestly no idea. Maybe Xehanort took him with him. When Aqua and Vanitas fought in Radiant Garden he did indeed say she is his backup. So that's probably the reason.

[Dave 5,715]

I'm guessing he tried but kept missing each time he tried to hit her unconscious, unmoving body, and then got pouty and stormed off.

[KingdomHearts3 2,591]

He probably went off when he saw Peter Pan approaching.

[kiwi socks 37]

As far as I know, there is no explanation (In English).

 

"Aqua, outraged by the act of cruelty and at the thought of Ventus being in danger, calls Vanitas a freak and battles the dark enigma once again, soundly defeating him and knocking him unconscious. Aqua, believing she has finally finished Vanitas, and exhausted by the battle, passes out, as a revived Vanitas takes the opportunity to escape once again."

 

https://www.khwiki.com/Vanitas

 

There's no reference, so it's either a (logical) fan explanation, from the Ultimania, or from the books (which I have yet to read and aren't considered true canon).  There's also the Vanitas/Aqua shipper's explanation.

[Hero of Light XIV 2,381]

Hey, its me again. Another question about vanitas.

 

Vanitas was knocked out by Aqua and his body was still there. Aqua passed out, but when she woke up, he was gone. Why would he leave without killing her? Was he taken away by someone? Its Vanitas we're talking about here. He is a sadistic and a ruthless prick. He attacked aqua off guard and tried to kill her later on. This is the same guy who beat up and kidnapped mickey. This is the same guy who tried to killed ventus at the Badlands.

 

Please don't say "Aqua was his backup plan". Vanitas clearly told Aqua in Neverland that he didnt need her anymore. Ven has grown strong enough that Vanitas wont need a back-up.

 

Thoughts?

Yeah, sure, the "Plan B" thing was dropped right at the get-go before they fought again, but don't forget, Aqua still factored into Xehanort's plan of pushing Terra closer to Darkness and Ven into fighting Vanitas with his Light. If Aqua was ended right then and there, it would have complicated Xehanort's plan. I mean, he'd probably still have some backups in order to fudge the desired results, but there's no denying that things went much more favorably for him when Aqua was also present with Terra and Ven at the Keyblade Graveyard. Vanitas does have a tendency to break rank when the Master isn't looking, but in the end he still knows it's better to stick to the plan, especially for his own sake and agendas.

 

Still, for the sake of humoring curiosities, let's just assume that at some point after the fight, Vanitas did wake up before Aqua. Either one of two different scenarios could have happened, at least as far as my headcanon goes. Either he would have decided it would be wise to just split for now, understanding that the time for things to finally be put in motion for the final battle was close at hand, and retreated through a Corridor of Darkness; OR, he would have considered or was straight up about to finish off Aqua while she was vulnerable, but Xehanort could have contacted him through his mind (he did the same thing to Terra twice in the game) to command him to stop and follow the plan. Vanitas would reluctantly oblige since he knows that defying Xehanort would be a very unwise idea given how skilled he is (even at his old age) and following his plan would still give Vanitas the completion he so long desired (as detailed further in the BBS novel). And even if he wasn't paying Xehanort's warning much mind, Peter could have been arriving on the scene, and Vanitas would still probably be pretty winded anyway, so he'd be in no condition or mood to deal with Aqua AND Peter Pan at the same time. So with really no other options on the table, Vanitas would retreat of his own volition, just having to wait patiently just a little bit longer for the real action to finally begin.

 

Keep in mind, this is all conjecture/fan-theory/headcanon, whatever you want to call it, but it's still a sound idea of what may have happened. In the grand scheme of the plot, it doesn't make much difference whether we know if Vanitas left on his own or not, it's just a small detail, which would only have potential in furthering the viewer's understanding of Vanitas's relationship with his Master, depending on how the hypothetical scene would play out. That said, more exploration of Vanitas's character would have been welcomed seeing as we don't get a lot of insight into his character in the story as it is now, so it certainly wouldn't have hurt to have thrown that in there. The only thing it would have done would have been to take away from the player's experience of seeing things through Aqua's perspective. But then again, there already was those two scenes of Xehanort conspiring with Braig in Terra's scenario, so that argument is pretty much broken. Since Aqua's struggle doesn't consist of much more than hopelessly chasing after her two friends, there certainly would have been enough room to have allowed some more character building of Vanitas, since she's the only other character he directly interacts with apart from Ventus.

 

In any case, the series and the way it carries out it's plot isn't perfect, but it's manageable enough for the experience you get. It would have been nice if for the Final Mix/Remix versions they added more scenes that explored Vanitas's character a bit better, because if the novel shows anything, it's that there is plenty of material to work with there.

[The Transcendent Key 12,109]

You know, that's actually a pretty interesting question! Why didn't he finish her off when he clearly had the chance? Well, honestly, Vanitas is the kind of guy that enjoys mocking people and causing them suffering, and I guess that he figured that waiting until she was reunited with Terra and Ventus again would bring her ultimate pain. That, or like other members stated above, Xehanort probably halted Vanitas from doing anything. And besides, if Vanitas had tried to do something, Terra and Ventus would be out for blood, and it would've probably derailed the plans that Xehanort had in store, ya know?

Edited August 3, 2017 by The Transcendent Key

[KHShaderoom 28]

Yeah, sure, the "Plan B" thing was dropped right at the get-go before they fought again, but don't forget, Aqua still factored into Xehanort's plan of pushing Terra closer to Darkness and Ven into fighting Vanitas with his Light. If Aqua was ended right then and there, it would have complicated Xehanort's plan. I mean, he'd probably still have some backups in order to fudge the desired results, but there's no denying that things went much more favorably for him when Aqua was also present with Terra and Ven at the Keyblade Graveyard. Vanitas does have a tendency to break rank when the Master isn't looking, but in the end he still knows it's better to stick to the plan, especially for his own sake and agendas.

 

Still, for the sake of humoring curiosities, let's just assume that at some point after the fight, Vanitas did wake up before Aqua. Either one of two different scenarios could have happened, at least as far as my headcanon goes. Either he would have decided it would be wise to just split for now, understanding that the time for things to finally be put in motion for the final battle was close at hand, and retreated through a Corridor of Darkness; OR, he would have considered or was straight up about to finish off Aqua while she was vulnerable, but Xehanort could have contacted him through his mind (he did the same thing to Terra twice in the game) to command him to stop and follow the plan. Vanitas would reluctantly oblige since he knows that defying Xehanort would be a very unwise idea given how skilled he is (even at his old age) and following his plan would still give Vanitas the completion he so long desired (as detailed further in the BBS novel). And even if he wasn't paying Xehanort's warning much mind, Peter could have been arriving on the scene, and Vanitas would still probably be pretty winded anyway, so he'd be in no condition or mood to deal with Aqua AND Peter Pan at the same time. So with really no other options on the table, Vanitas would retreat of his own volition, just having to wait patiently just a little bit longer for the real action to finally begin.

 

Keep in mind, this is all conjecture/fan-theory/headcanon, whatever you want to call it, but it's still a sound idea of what may have happened. In the grand scheme of the plot, it doesn't make much difference whether we know if Vanitas left on his own or not, it's just a small detail, which would only have potential in furthering the viewer's understanding of Vanitas's relationship with his Master, depending on how the hypothetical scene would play out. That said, more exploration of Vanitas's character would have been welcomed seeing as we don't get a lot of insight into his character in the story as it is now, so it certainly wouldn't have hurt to have thrown that in there. The only thing it would have done would have been to take away from the player's experience of seeing things through Aqua's perspective. But then again, there already was those two scenes of Xehanort conspiring with Braig in Terra's scenario, so that argument is pretty much broken. Since Aqua's struggle doesn't consist of much more than hopelessly chasing after her two friends, there certainly would have been enough room to have allowed some more character building of Vanitas, since she's the only other character he directly interacts with apart from Ventus.

 

In any case, the series and the way it carries out it's plot isn't perfect, but it's manageable enough for the experience you get. It would have been nice if for the Final Mix/Remix versions they added more scenes that explored Vanitas's character a bit better, because if the novel shows anything, it's that there is plenty of material to work with there.

Your response was fantastic . I really love it lol

[Hero of Light XIV 2,381]

Your response was fantastic . I really love it lol

Lol, thanx. Been watching a lot of MasakoX vids, it must be getting me in the theorizing mood or something, lol. X)""

[Alja 61]

Yeah, sure, the "Plan B" thing was dropped right at the get-go before they fought again, but don't forget, Aqua still factored into Xehanort's plan of pushing Terra closer to Darkness and Ven into fighting Vanitas with his Light. If Aqua was ended right then and there, it would have complicated Xehanort's plan. I mean, he'd probably still have some backups in order to fudge the desired results, but there's no denying that things went much more favorably for him when Aqua was also present with Terra and Ven at the Keyblade Graveyard.

That's true. During a fight against Terra (where Terra is already emotionally and physically stimulated so to say), Xehanort commands Vanitas to "take what Ventus owes [him] and take Aqua's life". This puts him under even higher stress in the situation, allowing Terra to tap even deeper into his darkness which was exactly what Xehanort wanted. Had Vanitas killed Aqua beforehand, Terra would still be angry and maybe even feed his anger over a longer time, but he might have been able to control his own darkness better, being able to withstand Xehanort's attempts to get into his heart.

 

So I think it's likely that Xehanort told Vanitas to let Aqua live until he says otherwise (or he really did have a mind connection to him as well). Aqua doubting Terra and thus Terra pushing himself away from her and Eraqus served Xehanort's plans, too, after all.