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I was just wondering does this scene break canon?

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I was just wondering does this scene break any canon?

well, bbs takes place 11 years prior to kh2. I honestly forget many things from a week back. Knowing goofy and donald, they sure are like me too. So no, this doesn't really break canon.

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Also, good job with the flashing background Square.

could be a problem with the persons capture software. the video keeps stuttering so that's my guess.

 

the scene is really just a fluke, honestly. like yea it's strange Ven met these characters but none of them remember him, but it's whatever. not really a serious issue to get hung up on at this point. with KH you've got to figure out what's worth trying to understand.

 

 

 

 

spoiler alert: none of it. we've gone off the deep end, folks. 

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I'm not really sure what you're asking for. If you're wondering if something is breaking canon, you're going to have to be a bit more specific about what it might be.

 

If you're talking about the fact that Donald and Goofy met Ven before but never bring him up or the fact that they've both been to Yen Sid's tower before but in the beginning of KH2 don't remember it, as if they were never there before, then maybe you could argue that this "breaks canon". But even then, not really.

 

I mean, Ven probably didn't leave that much of an impression on them (sorry Ven), it's not like with Sora where they went on many adventures together, they only knew him for a bit and if anything would have remembered him as "that one guy who went and got our king for us and we never saw again" or whatever. At least Mickey had a few fun-ins with him and actually helped him fight off a bad guy, they even shared a few things in common, if Ven had just let Donald and Goofy come with him to rescue Mickey, they might have had a bit more reason to remember him, an adventure to share. So it's not really their fault, Ven just kind of gave them less reason to really remember him that easily.

 

As far as the tower itself goes...eh, I could buy them not remembering about the place right off the bat if they haven't been there in +10 years since BBS, especially after just waking up from a year-long nap. It'd just be nice for Nomura to acknowledge that too though...Anyway, they hadn't needed to be there in years, they were more worried and preoccupied with the King's safety to even notice any details about the place to remember later when they were last there, and they were probably still recovering from the grogginess of waking up from those pods. Chances are, you're going to let a thing or two slip from your radar if you're not working at 100% and you weren't even making that much of a conscious effort to encode stuff anyway. Really I'm amazed that I can even remember where half the things are in my dorm room in the morning, it's only thru repeated habit that I actually get some degree of familiarity, if Donald and Goofy weren't making a habit of coming to the place in that 10-year gap, then they were less likely to know "this is the place" even after it changed locations (again, somehow Nomura thought the Tower changing locations answered that question, when it really didn't, it just means that if they had perfect memory, they should have just been shocked to find it there).

 

But if somehow neither of those is your concern, then I really don't know what to tell ya, you really have to have a better idea of what you're concerned about and express that better so the rest of us can actually help you. Cause we're basically grasping at straws here.

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I'm not really sure what you're asking for. If you're wondering if something is breaking canon, you're going to have to be a bit smore specific about what it might be.

 

If you're talking about the fact that Donald and Goofy met Ven before but never bring him up or the fact that they've both been to Yen Sid's tower before but in the beginning of KH2 don't remember it, as if they were never there before, then maybe you could argue that this "breaks canon". But even then, not really.

 

I mean, Ven probably didn't leave that much of an impression on them (sorry Ven), it's not like with Sora where they went on many adventures together, they only knew him for a bit and if anything would have remembered him as "that one guy who went and got our king for us and we never saw again" or whatever. At least Mickey had a few fun-ins with him and actually helped him fight off a bad guy, they even shared a few things in common, if Ven had just let Donald and Goofy come with him to rescue Mickey, they might have had a bit more reason to remember him, an adventure to share. So it's not really their fault, Ven just kind of gave them less reason to really remember him that easily.

 

As far as the tower itself goes...eh, I could buy them not remembering about the place right off the bat if they haven't been there in +10 years since BBS, especially after just waking up from a year-long nap. It'd just be nice for Nomura to acknowledge that too though...Anyway, they hadn't needed to be there in years, they were more worried and preoccupied with the King's safety to even notice any details about the place to remember later when they were last there, and they were probably still recovering from the grogginess of waking up from those pods. Chances are, you're going to let a thing or two slip from your radar if you're not working at 100% and you weren't even making that much of a conscious effort to encode stuff anyway. Really I'm amazed that I can even remember where half the things are in my dorm room in the morning, it's only thru repeated habit that I actually get some degree of familiarity, if Donald and Goofy weren't making a habit of coming to the place in that 10-year gap, then they were less likely to know "this is the place" even after it changed locations (again, somehow Nomura thought the Tower changing locations answered that question, when it really didn't, it just means that if they had perfect memory, they should have just been shocked to find it there).

 

But if somehow neither of those is your concern, then I really don't know what to tell ya, you really have to have a better idea of what you're concerned about and express that better so the rest of us can actually help you. Cause we're basically grasping at straws here.

Or if he thinks that they should have known what a keyblade is which can be explained by saying that keyblade wielders are very secretiv about rheir existence

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Or if he thinks that they should have known what a keyblade is which can be explained by saying that keyblade wielders are very secretive about their existence

That thought never came across my mind, considering how there was nothing to suggest that they didn't exactly know what a Keyblade was, not even in KH1, and that's before the idea of more than one or a few wielders was even thought up. They just knew that they had to find someone with one and that it was pretty important that they did. Them already knowing that their King is a wielder and knowing about at least two other wielders (again, still being very quick to forget them as well since they only interacted with Aqua and Ven ONCE in their whole lives, TEN FREAKING YEARS AGO) doesn't really change how they go about the situation, nor should it really. At best you would just replace the word "key" with "Keyblade" in their first few scenes, but even then that's sooooo minor. Everything they learned in KH1 was stuff they still wouldn't have known before and HAD to learn in KH1, like what the Heartless were, their attraction to hearts and the Keyblade, and their threat to the worlds, there's basically nothing they had to know about in that game that gets retconned by BBS (as far as Donald and Goofy are concerned).

 

But again, even if that was what he was talking about, he's got to come out and say so instead of having everyone try to figure out what he's specifically having a problem with, since that makes answering his question much MUCH easier.

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I'm not really sure what you're asking for. If you're wondering if something is breaking canon, you're going to have to be a bit more specific about what it might be.

 

If you're talking about the fact that Donald and Goofy met Ven before but never bring him up or the fact that they've both been to Yen Sid's tower before but in the beginning of KH2 don't remember it, as if they were never there before, then maybe you could argue that this "breaks canon". But even then, not really.

 

I mean, Ven probably didn't leave that much of an impression on them (sorry Ven), it's not like with Sora where they went on many adventures together, they only knew him for a bit and if anything would have remembered him as "that one guy who went and got our king for us and we never saw again" or whatever. At least Mickey had a few fun-ins with him and actually helped him fight off a bad guy, they even shared a few things in common, if Ven had just let Donald and Goofy come with him to rescue Mickey, they might have had a bit more reason to remember him, an adventure to share. So it's not really their fault, Ven just kind of gave them less reason to really remember him that easily.

 

As far as the tower itself goes...eh, I could buy them not remembering about the place right off the bat if they haven't been there in +10 years since BBS, especially after just waking up from a year-long nap. It'd just be nice for Nomura to acknowledge that too though...Anyway, they hadn't needed to be there in years, they were more worried and preoccupied with the King's safety to even notice any details about the place to remember later when they were last there, and they were probably still recovering from the grogginess of waking up from those pods. Chances are, you're going to let a thing or two slip from your radar if you're not working at 100% and you weren't even making that much of a conscious effort to encode stuff anyway. Really I'm amazed that I can even remember where half the things are in my dorm room in the morning, it's only thru repeated habit that I actually get some degree of familiarity, if Donald and Goofy weren't making a habit of coming to the place in that 10-year gap, then they were less likely to know "this is the place" even after it changed locations (again, somehow Nomura thought the Tower changing locations answered that question, when it really didn't, it just means that if they had perfect memory, they should have just been shocked to find it there).

 

But if somehow neither of those is your concern, then I really don't know what to tell ya, you really have to have a better idea of what you're concerned about and express that better so the rest of us can actually help you. Cause we're basically grasping at straws here.

 

This basically covers it.

 

Expecting Donald and Goofy to remember Ven 10+ years later is like expecting someone to remember a cashier who checked out their groceries 10+ years ago. Goofy couldn't even pronounce Ven's full name. 

 

As for the Mysterious Tower, I believe it also plausible that because their memories had just been disassembled and reassembled the less impactful ones might not have survived. Supposedly:

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It takes either impact or commitment to solidify a memory. 

 

Even so, while Ven did help save their king (Mickey), so did Aqua and they've never met Roxas or even seen his face so why would Ventus have stood out to them then or have suddenly occurred to them during their present feats with Sora?

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